NEScz - North American Natives

To the above edit.. Take what I have given you an run. I'm glad your here

The Issues

After a break. The councilmen went in after discussing the would-be-leaders’ sentences to their friends, and when they returned, they are ready for the main Issues. Old Bear was the old chief of the Nazasaka Village in times past. And he heads to Issues.

His solemn voice carried over the council, “The First Major Issue, brought up by Charging Boar, shall commence.”

Charging Boar stood up, ”My chosen issue is this, we shall expand the Hurons, but how? I suggest that we isolate ourselves to all but trade and concentrate on our colonies and towns.”

Old Bear announced ,”Issue 1 is brought by the opposition Charging Boar: The question is how to expand our tribe. His way is to trade thriftly (That is right! murmured Charging Boar) and to expand on ourselves. Now Deer-of-the-Lake shall speak.”

Deer-of-the-Lake stood up and spoke loud and clear, “Charging Boar’s Issue was wise. But I suggest that we expand along the Great Lakes. For up north some of our old scattered friends seperated by generations still survive in the cold against the Wolf Riders. Also important is to seek a way to trade with Singodia without passing through Chuparu Territory. That are my main points on those issues.”

Five minuets was given for the councilmen to whisper their opinions.

“Now!” said Old Bear ,”Issue 2 brought up by Deer-of-the-Lake and it’s discussion shall commence!”

“My Issue”, said Deer-of-the-Lake, “Is our Army. Yes yes, we will not expand against Chuparu but the Wilderian Forest and Beyond is where we are aiming for...”

“Bah!” rudely interrupted Charging Boar,”What is the use of military with the protection of the Chuparuians and so we can brutally expand our economy?”

“As I was saying”, Deer-of-the-Lake continued, “The mystical Lake of Elk is our aim. For traders from Hapalache often talk about a large amount of outlets from Elk Bay. We think that Elk Bay is actually a lake. And colonization of that Lake on the other side of Wilderia, Is currently my main priority.”

‘Now” said Old Bear, “Members of the Council shall purify themselves in Lake Huronu and propose their Issue and vote tomarrow!”

“You may all leave the council for and ready yourselves for the the Spiritual Bathing at sundown when the Sun and the Moon laydown at the same time.”

To the Hapalache:
From Mitsukataniana (can I change the name? It's wayyyy too long.)

We would like to meet with one of your merchants in Skiver if possible.

OOC: Chuparu's orders sent

OOC: Mitsuta's orders sent.

So basically I can't use Tanpa until I discover a technology... so at least 10 turns from now?
Seems a little unbalanced.

EDIT: Ok, maybe not that long... but still, it should be better explained in the rules. I couldn't find anything about a cap.

basically you need to pump 9EP into smoking, or 10EP into pottery, then your good to go.

Abaddon said:

basically you need to pump 9EP into smoking, or 10EP into pottery, then your good to go.

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Or as Honzas pointed out in the update...

honzas_cz said:

To Abaddon, justokre

• That * in update after word colony/ies means that these colonies couldn't be established because of reaching of maximum settlement cap. As a standart there is Capital + 2 settlements, but with some techs you could grow this. (Pottery). You payed for colonies so now they are in stats. You won't pay anymore. If you want your un-established colonies budget to be back in your tribal chest, just post it in your orders. As soon as you will raise your city cap new colonies will be automatically established.

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If you don't want to deal with it just undo the colony and get your EP back.

Thanks Sloaf.
I hate trying to remember where things like that are mentioned.
Honsaz, how would you feel about adding those rules somewhere on the first page?

Orders sent, btw.

@ Honzas I have several questions/requests.

Can you make a Village labeled 'Scattered Tribes' and place Wolf Riders (Inuit) near them? Or else it won't colaborate with my story. And yes, the elections was the end of the next update. I will do my stuff after this update. And yes, the last volume The Not Unexpected Win or should I say The Election? I hope I can eventually start a Nes too. I admire you and Justo! Also, can I get the Tech Flint Tips or Composite Bows for archers. Since I both (will) have Horn and Tendons and Flint too! And then Smoking should have Grannery/some other tech after it or Clay Bricks with Pottery and Smoking.

That is all! Thanks!

@ Singodia
We shall trade! Our merchant Calling Jay shall trade with you! And may we prosper!


I don't want to tarry. I am working on the first volume right now! The Council will be finished tomarrow and by then I hope I will have at least 2 volumes prewriten already.

Chapter 2 of Volume 1 done. I will probably send the Council Tomarrow. Cheers!

Epic of Calling Jay
Volume 1
Journey to Singod

Calling Jay, leader of her merchant group, had become very afraid. They had been traveling down the Ohio River with a small band of archers and all of the Hurons’ produce when her expedition was almost ended by an almost invisible waterfall. Their canoe had flew down the cliff, and although her friends all survived... they are all shaken and almost a half of the goods are spoiled or lost.

She could still remember the day when Deer-of-the-Lake gave here orders to go on this mission... To trade with Singodia and to establish a Colony preferably near the Elk Lake. But almost a half of her goods are gone? How can she manage all of it? She held the small wooden flute that Shy Robin had given to her. She tried to remember that day when she returned to the Huron nation.

That day, she had just returned from Chupan, with her archer companions and Staring Buck stuck in Carp where the fanatics took them to stay until she comes to pick them up. She was then very scared that her father, Fleeting Bear, would be very disappointed and that her Chief, Deer-of-the-Lake, would be angry. But she definitely not prepared for the festive air of Norte-Eyre. There are tables full of cordial. Gourds full of herb mixtures. She was still staring when Deer-of-the-Lake came to her.

He spoke excitedly to her, “ Welcome back Calling Jay! I have talked to your father and he had agreed with me on the matters; But he wants to talk to you himself. Here”, he handed her a bowl of cordial , “Have some cordial.”

Calling Jay smiled and drank some cordial, it tasted sweet, with a twang of... she can only describe it as home. As wondered as she walked to her father’s hut: what will he say that Deer-of-the-Lake entrusted to him? Deer-of-the-Lake must have noticed me hesitating for he said, “Go on! You will have the adventure of your life! I promise!”


As Calling Jay entered the hut, she saw Charging Boar. He was sitting by a fire and when he looked up, his face was full of happiness. “My daughter! You had done a great deed! But you still have a mission to accomplish.”

“What is it?” asked Calling Jay.

“Ah, you skills as a negotiator, merchant and most importantly, as a leader.” he looked at her carefully, “For you will pick Staring Buck on a trip to Singodia.”

Calling Jay gasped, “Singodia? Would the Chuparuians let us through? Would they...”

“This is where you negotiation skills comes in.” He smiled. “You will trade with their capital and found a Colony near the legendary Elk Lake. You will have with you almost all of our tribe’s production. May spirits of Chansa be with you!”

“Yes father.”

“Now we shall celebrate, for friends shall give you gifts, a band of explorers shall travel with you, and you shall be our envoy for over a thousand miles.”


Calling Jay broke out of her reverie, “This is where we break camp!” she called. The river travel was hard on her. She and her colonists had canoed down to river for almost a week, and she hoped that the Singodians aren’t too far away.

Suddenly, “Hey! Look!”

A small group of Singodian Traders are camped out. Calling Jay called after them , “Hellow, you have met me in the Markets of Chupan. Can you please help me to your capital?”
After a small wait. They nodded and beckoned us to put our good into their trade canoe. she just said that our War Canoe is big enough but that she, Calling Jay and Staring Buck can discuss trade options with them. They said that Singodia is currently trying to find enough food to last long enough to divide among its many small colonies, two, to be exact, and the people their are to worried about food and to busy with that to build up a small house.

“So will this trade happen?” asked Calling Jay.

“Oh certainly!” said the trader. “Singodia has already told us that you may trade with them... comeon!”



The Town of Singod was a teeming with hundreds of taverns and canoes. And although it wasn’t bigger than Chupan, its population of traders seems to be in the hundreds as traders stopped here as they debate wether to trade their good to local merchants, continue on their way on the Great River or to find a counter part (Arcadian to Chuparu) to trade in the teeming harbors and huts of Singod.

Calling Jay can only imagine how more than a thousand traders shall squish themselves into this city after the Hurons begin to trade their hardwood and shiny flint to the Singodians.

She went to the largest huts and awaited to trade and show goods with the Ruler of Singodia and its Chaotic Capital.

My orders will come tonight UK time

Epic of Calling Jay
Volume 2
The Northern March

Aiken Drumn looked down at the sacks of flint arrow heads; straight and smooth logs of Ash and a small pile of snake skin. He seemed happy about the new traders from the north. Indeed, he seemed very happy about the flint after he accidentally cut his hand with it. “Oh! Be careful!” cried Calling Jay. “This is flint, usually too small for axes but perfect for bows.”

“Excellent!” boomed the leader of the Singodians , “I like the items you have for me. I thank you for your gift is snake skin and I shall trade peppers from ...” the leader looked around. I have heard their history that they sell contracts dearly for axes, bows, and slaves. “A great trading partner.” he finally said.

“We thank you.” said Calling Jay, “We shall tell you that at the Chupan Harbor where would be a group that would take your own merchants to our northern land.”

As they walked out of the leaders’ hut. They noticed some people digging at the river floor. Calling Jay sighed and spoke to Staring Buck , “ The Singodians seems to be rather stingy on their infomation.”

“I agree, but some archers has told me that they’re rebaseing south near another tribe’s colony.”

“It would be a priority to trade with them, but currently we are out of good but for our building supplies, the Colony shall come first.”

“Whatever you say.”, replied Staring Buck, “I think it is better to refill our supplies with the pepper and accept Aiken Drumn’s hospitality.”

Calling Jay smiled at Staring Buck, “I totally agree with you, we can try out some of the local cusine and see their customs.”


A couple of days later, the small group of colonists, merchants and archers are stuffed to the gills with peppers, water cess, and ‘tobacco’ . They filled up their war canoe and trading canoes and started to work their way north.

The current was strong, an they pulled their paddles against the flow. Finally, someone thought of tying a string onto a tree ahead and pulling the boat foward, walking to the back of the boat and going to the front again. Before leaving the Singod Area, the river split into two. And although the method is still used for mouthes of major streams, paddles are coming back into use again.

After nearly a moon of paddling, the Full Frost Moon rose up. They saw a small group of Singodian colonists running to find food. Calling Jay shuddered and thanked Chansa that see has enough food to last the building of the Colony.

A little further up a major stream branched from the river. It seemed to Callind Jay that it headed East. Calling Jay went on a trade canoe to see if it lead to Elk Lake. The view near the end on a hill startled her: There was Elk lake! Although she can’t see Wilderia or any traders. She was sure. She ran back to tell her people of her find.


By the time the Snow Moon rose. The small Elk Lake colony has already a small circle of huts, and a storehouse. They have tested the hills for flint or copper, the grasses for wild berries. But this end of Elk Lake seems almost empty of resources. They are almost unprepared for the sight next spring as they settled down to eating peppers rubbed with the odd rabbit. And so the Colony of Elk Lake is born.

OOC: Very nicely done, Charles! It's clear you've taken the time to create an image for yourself of what your tribe is doing, and you're taking the time to carefully write things out so that we get the same picture you imagined. Sometimes it can be hard work, but the result is something you can be proud of.

@SP1023 - You asked me to comment about the creation myth you posted. I know it's very delayed, but... The legend itself is very well written, and it's clear the author spent a good amount of time thinking of ways to tie Caelus' negative emotions to the makeup of different planets. It's a cleaver tale, and I give the story itself two solid thumbs up.

I have two problems with it, though. First, the story is not related to the idea of this NES. We're playing primitive Native American tribes. They would not have known anything about other planets, rings of Saturn, volcanoes on Mars, or the like. Others have written about rounding up captives for a slave pen, sending a merchant out to trade goods with other tribes, accidentally discovering a way of preserving meat, and gathering vegetables from a new plant. The story you posted is possibly better written than any of these, but in my opinion it's more appropriate for a Renaissance-era sect than a native American myth. For your next story, you might try to think about what an Indian tribe would do, what they would be interested in, or what might be a special event (or an every-day chore) for them. I saw you posted the same creation myth in at least one other NES, but it's probably more appropriate to use different, original ideas that fit well with each game.

My other problem is that the story is very different from anything else of yours I've read. This story took considerable time and thought, and you would have had to do a bit of research to find the descriptions of each plant in the solar system. I think you'll agree that your other writing, even including your "council" story in BirdNES where you borrowed my AbNES chief names, doesn't involve this kind of effort. I'm guessing this is either something you wrote for school, a story you adapted from somewhere else, or something you copied directly from another source. I hope and assume it isn't just a copied story you're claiming to be your own. I'd love to see you put this kind of effort into your every-day posts. I'm not saying write a story every day, I'm just saying slow down a bit and think about what you're writing before you post. This story was a worthwhile read, and it would be nice to see more of that.

Sloaf said:

OOC: Very nicely done, Charles! It's clear you've taken the time to create an image for yourself of what your tribe is doing, and you're taking the time to carefully write things out so that we get the same picture you imagined. Sometimes it can be hard work, but the result is something you can be proud of.

@SP1023 - You asked me to comment about the creation myth you posted. I know it's very delayed, but... The legend itself is very well written, and it's clear the author spent a good amount of time thinking of ways to tie Caelus' negative emotions to the makeup of different planets. It's a cleaver tale, and I give the story itself two solid thumbs up.

I have two problems with it, though. First, the story is not related to the idea of this NES. We're playing primitive Native American tribes. They would not have known anything about other planets, rings of Saturn, volcanoes on Mars, or the like. Others have written about rounding up captives for a slave pen, sending a merchant out to trade goods with other tribes, accidentally discovering a way of preserving meat, and gathering vegetables from a new plant. The story you posted is possibly better written than any of these, but in my opinion it's more appropriate for a Renaissance-era sect than a native American myth. For your next story, you might try to think about what an Indian tribe would do, what they would be interested in, or what might be a special event (or an every-day chore) for them. I saw you posted the same creation myth in at least one other NES, but it's probably more appropriate to use different, original ideas that fit well with each game.

My other problem is that the story is very different from anything else of yours I've read. This story took considerable time and thought, and you would have had to do a bit of research to find the descriptions of each plant in the solar system. I think you'll agree that your other writing, even including your "council" story in BirdNES where you borrowed my AbNES chief names, doesn't involve this kind of effort. I'm guessing this is either something you wrote for school, a story you adapted from somewhere else, or something you copied directly from another source. I hope and assume it isn't just a copied story you're claiming to be your own. I'd love to see you put this kind of effort into your every-day posts. I'm not saying write a story every day, I'm just saying slow down a bit and think about what you're writing before you post. This story was a worthwhile read, and it would be nice to see more of that.

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Actually, Native Americans had lots of things written about astronomy. Maybe not the ones in North American so much, but you know... America isn't only in the northern hemisphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayans#Astronomy

Sloaf said:

OOC: Very nicely done, Charles! It's clear you've taken the time to create an image for yourself of what your tribe is doing, and you're taking the time to carefully write things out so that we get the same picture you imagined. Sometimes it can be hard work, but the result is something you can be proud of.

@SP1023 - You asked me to comment about the creation myth you posted. I know it's very delayed, but... The legend itself is very well written, and it's clear the author spent a good amount of time thinking of ways to tie Caelus' negative emotions to the makeup of different planets. It's a cleaver tale, and I give the story itself two solid thumbs up.

I have two problems with it, though. First, the story is not related to the idea of this NES. We're playing primitive Native American tribes. They would not have known anything about other planets, rings of Saturn, volcanoes on Mars, or the like. Others have written about rounding up captives for a slave pen, sending a merchant out to trade goods with other tribes, accidentally discovering a way of preserving meat, and gathering vegetables from a new plant. The story you posted is possibly better written than any of these, but in my opinion it's more appropriate for a Renaissance-era sect than a native American myth. For your next story, you might try to think about what an Indian tribe would do, what they would be interested in, or what might be a special event (or an every-day chore) for them. I saw you posted the same creation myth in at least one other NES, but it's probably more appropriate to use different, original ideas that fit well with each game.

My other problem is that the story is very different from anything else of yours I've read. This story took considerable time and thought, and you would have had to do a bit of research to find the descriptions of each plant in the solar system. I think you'll agree that your other writing, even including your "council" story in BirdNES where you borrowed my AbNES chief names, doesn't involve this kind of effort. I'm guessing this is either something you wrote for school, a story you adapted from somewhere else, or something you copied directly from another source. I hope and assume it isn't just a copied story you're claiming to be your own. I'd love to see you put this kind of effort into your every-day posts. I'm not saying write a story every day, I'm just saying slow down a bit and think about what you're writing before you post. This story was a worthwhile read, and it would be nice to see more of that.

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Got that right! Guess my normal stories really do suck, huh?

Update will be made on Wednesday, because of much work at school (maybe I'll be able to do it earlier, but I don't know.).

Sorry i've not yet got orders in yet. If i fail to; completly research smoking, establish colony, establish trade with the two nations I have done, and use troops to generally "encourage" surrounding tribes to join us thus increasing my terratory.

I'll PM you questions i have about the rules/stats

justokre said:

Actually, Native Americans had lots of things written about astronomy. Maybe not the ones in North American so much, but you know... America isn't only in the northern hemisphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayans#Astronomy

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OOC: I don't know how you knew but you are right. This was a creation myth we had to make up for the Mayans in English class.

sp1023 said:

OOC: I don't know how you knew

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OOC: Rule: Do not underestimate the general NESing population's grasp of history and other cultures.