SGOTM 07 - Murky Waters

Sailing is cheap enough. I won't trade for it. LC will be grateful later on when he realises that the hammers I put on the barracks will help his Cats.

Finishing the turnset now.
 
klarius said:
Why are you so sure of that?
Alex might be the first opportunity, if he isn't WFYABTA by then because of the sailing trade.
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I meant 'get' in the sense we won't want to trade with him because he's the worst enemy of a bunch of AIs, but now I can't find the list that jesusin made any more. Is it just me or did jesusin delete a bunch of his turnset from his post?

jesusin, please do another round of who is whose worst enemy before you close the file.
 
Save uploaded to the server.

Turnset autolog:
Spoiler :
Here is your Session Turn Log from 2200 BC to 1800 BC:

Turn 45, 2200 BC: You have discovered The Wheel!
Turn 45, 2200 BC: You have discovered Mysticism!
Turn 45, 2200 BC: You have discovered Masonry!
Turn 45, 2200 BC: The borders of Murkyopolis have expanded!
Turn 45, 2200 BC: Confucianism has been founded in a distant land!
Turn 45, 2200 BC: The Oracle has been built in a far away land!

Turn 46, 2160 BC: You have declared war on Huayna Capac!
Turn 46, 2160 BC: Kublai Khan has declared war on Huayna Capac!
Turn 46, 2160 BC: Frederick has declared war on Huayna Capac!
Turn 46, 2160 BC: You have discovered Bronze Working!
Turn 46, 2160 BC: Alexander has declared war on Huayna Capac!
Turn 46, 2160 BC: You have discovered Pottery!
Turn 46, 2160 BC: You have declared war on Tokugawa!

Turn 47, 2120 BC: You have discovered Iron Working!

Turn 48, 2080 BC: Tiwanaku has been captured by the Mongolian Empire!!!
Turn 48, 2080 BC: Isabella adopts Slavery!

Turn 50, 2000 BC: You have discovered Polytheism!
Turn 50, 2000 BC: You have discovered Meditation!

Turn 52, 1920 BC: New Tech(s) to trade: Julius Caesar

Turn 53, 1880 BC: New Tech(s) to trade: Frederick
Turn 53, 1880 BC: The Pyramids has been built in a far away land!
Turn 53, 1880 BC: Your land area: 20 (3.61%) is close to the Domination Limit: 282 (51.00%).

Turn 54, 1840 BC: New Tech(s) to trade: Asoka, Alexander, Isabella
Turn 54, 1840 BC: New Tech(s) to trade: Frederick, Washington, Asoka, Elizabeth, Kublai Khan, Alexander, Tokugawa, Huayna Capac, Isabella
Turn 54, 1840 BC: Can Trade Open Borders with: Alexander
Turn 54, 1840 BC: Julius Caesar adopts Organized Religion!
Turn 54, 1840 BC: Elizabeth adopts Organized Religion!
Turn 54, 1840 BC: The Great Lighthouse has been built in a far away land!
Turn 54, 1840 BC: Your land area: 20 (3.61%) is close to the Domination Limit: 282 (51.00%).

Turn 55, 1800 BC: New Tech(s) to trade: Julius Caesar

You may wish to copy it to Notepad for reference when you write your turn set post. It includes any entries you added with the in-game Chat facility


Updated log:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...&postcount=909

EDIT: HC will make peace if we pay him Medi. As if we would like to.

The scout has half a movement point left.



The other thing was the session log, this is the real autolog
Spoiler :
Tech learned: Masonry
Murkyopolis's borders expand
Confucianism founded in a distant land
Attitude Change: Frederick(Germany) towards SGOTM07(China), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Julius Caesar(Rome) towards Kublai Khan(Mongolia), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Julius Caesar(Rome) towards Alexander(Greece), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Kublai Khan(Mongolia) towards SGOTM07(China), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Alexander(Greece) towards Julius Caesar(Rome), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Asoka(India), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Alexander(Greece), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'

Turn 46/460 (2160 BC) [07-May-2008 18:58:17]
SGOTM07(China) declares war on Huayna Capac(Inca)
Kublai Khan(Mongolia) declares war on Huayna Capac(Inca)
Frederick(Germany) declares war on Huayna Capac(Inca)
Tech learned: Bronze Working
Alexander(Greece) declares war on Huayna Capac(Inca)
Tech learned: Pottery
Murkyopolis begins: Granary (10 turns)
SGOTM07(China) declares war on Tokugawa(Japan)
Murkyopolis grows: 5
Attitude Change: Frederick(Germany) towards Alexander(Greece), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Julius Caesar(Rome) towards Alexander(Greece), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Alexander(Greece) towards SGOTM07(China), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Alexander(Greece) towards Frederick(Germany), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Alexander(Greece) towards Julius Caesar(Rome), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Alexander(Greece) towards Huayna Capac(Inca), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Tokugawa(Japan) towards SGOTM07(China), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Tokugawa(Japan) towards Huayna Capac(Inca), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards SGOTM07(China), from 'Cautious' to 'Furious'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Frederick(Germany), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Kublai Khan(Mongolia), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Alexander(Greece), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 47/460 (2120 BC) [11-May-2008 08:31:10]
Tech learned: Iron Working
Attitude Change: Alexander(Greece) towards SGOTM07(China), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Alexander(Greece) towards Julius Caesar(Rome), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Tokugawa(Japan) towards Julius Caesar(Rome), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 48/460 (2080 BC) [11-May-2008 09:30:15]
Attitude Change: Frederick(Germany) towards Julius Caesar(Rome), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Julius Caesar(Rome) towards Alexander(Greece), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Civics Change: Isabella(Spain) from 'Tribalism' to 'Slavery'

Turn 49/460 (2040 BC) [11-May-2008 09:51:01]
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Alexander(Greece), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'

Turn 50/460 (2000 BC) [11-May-2008 10:15:10]
Tech learned: Polytheism
Tech learned: Meditation
Research begun: Literature (9 Turns)
Murkyopolis grows: 6
Attitude Change: Washington(America) towards Kublai Khan(Mongolia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'

Turn 51/460 (1960 BC) [11-May-2008 12:26:06]

Turn 52/460 (1920 BC) [11-May-2008 12:42:17]
Attitude Change: Julius Caesar(Rome) towards SGOTM07(China), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 53/460 (1880 BC) [11-May-2008 12:55:25]
Attitude Change: Washington(America) towards Kublai Khan(Mongolia), from 'Furious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Julius Caesar(Rome) towards Kublai Khan(Mongolia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Kublai Khan(Mongolia) towards Isabella(Spain), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Alexander(Greece) towards SGOTM07(China), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 54/460 (1840 BC) [11-May-2008 13:04:28]
Attitude Change: Tokugawa(Japan) towards Julius Caesar(Rome), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Civics Change: Julius Caesar(Rome) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'
Civics Change: Elizabeth(England) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'

Turn 55/460 (1800 BC) [11-May-2008 17:52:59]
 
LowtherCastle said:
I meant 'get' in the sense we won't want to trade with him because he's the worst enemy of a bunch of AIs, but now I can't find the list that jesusin made any more. Is it just me or did jesusin delete a bunch of his turnset from his post?

jesusin, please do another round of who is whose worst enemy before you close the file.
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It is complete again now.
I have already done the WoEn update too, I won't make the same mistake twice!
 
LowtherCastle said:
I meant 'get' in the sense we won't want to trade with him because he's the worst enemy of a bunch of AIs, but now I can't find the list that jesusin made any more. Is it just me or did jesusin delete a bunch of his turnset from his post?

jesusin, please do another round of who is whose worst enemy before you close the file.
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It's not that bad with worst enemy trading. At least as you really trade - not gift (e.g. cave to demands).
We know his haters for 50 turns already. That's 1500g trade value per -point (only 500 gift value). We will not reach this even if we should be able to trade for math.
And that's then probably really the last trade ever with him.
We should be more careful with Liz. We definitely want to trade with her in the course of this game. We shouldn't blow up her trade value unnecessarily as long as she is hated by somebody. We may need the allowance later.
 
Erkon said:
Great play jesusin! Good initiative with trade etc without requesting directives from the peanut gallery :D
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Sarcasm? Or is it serious?
No, I haven't taken many decisions on my own, I don't want to take a decision everyone else judges to be wrong.

EDIT: Anyway, I have avoided Gnejs' plank.:smug:

Erkon said:
Did you try to get HC and Toku really upset with us?
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No, I didn't. I can't see the point of doing so.
 
Gnejs said:
This would have been risky considering Asoka's huge GNP. Or should we have waited with trading for Poly?
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Either way, I just don't think we're going to finish GLib more than a turn or two faster this way. Simply because we can grow to pop8 so fast with the granary and work a lot more hammers while working the 2 sci. We'll see when we complete the GLib. With Drama first I think it was about T68.
 
Both Isabels have a -1 not stopping trades with WoEn, maybe I mixed up both chicks, none of them has forgotten.
 
Excellent turnset, jesusin!!! Fantastic job on capturing Tiwanaku! KK's thank-note is in the mail. Great turnset report. Thanks for all the detail. Especially thanks for screenshooting the info about most advanced AIs in the world. That may be useful. At least it's good to know that Asoka is at the top.

P.s.: I thought you were going to get us some religion spread? Guess you've hanging araound warmongers a little too much. ;)
 
The yellow team increase in power has been superior to ours, are they building Axes?

Anyway, we are one of the two first teams to get Alpha.
 
LowtherCastle said:
Excellent turnset, jesusin!!! Fantastic job on capturing Tiwanaku! KK's thank-note is in the mail. Great turnset report. Thanks for all the detail. Especially thanks for screenshooting the info about most advanced AIs in the world. That may be useful. At least it's good to know that Asoka is at the top.

P.s.: I thought you were going to get us some religion spread? Guess you've hanging araound warmongers a little too much. ;)
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:)

I just can't believe I have just dowed 2 Deity AIs having only 1 city and 2 warriors. :crazyeye:
 
Superb turnset, jesusin! :goodjob:

I will be the first to admit (well, the second now that Erkon beat me to it) that the simultaneous DoW worked out fine. :D
 
Should we get Isa to DoW Tokugawa now? This would weaken them both which would come in handy later... :)
 
Gnejs said:
I will be the first to admit (well, the second now that Erkon beat me to it) that the simultaneous DoW worked out fine. :D
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Well, maybe the staggered one would have worked better in regards to Cuzco. I just didn't want to lose the chance to have both Fred and KK accumulating shared war turns.
 
Nice going. :goodjob:

The next important question for planning is:
Do we continue for fastest GS or do we delay to get GLib faster. Obviously that's related to the question what we do with the GS. If we want to lightbulb philo there is no point in having it in 7 turns.
 
Gnejs said:
Should we get Isa to DoW Tokugawa now? This would weaken them both which would come in handy later... :)
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In my solo games I always wonder if making two soon to go enemies fight among them is a good or a bad idea. Wouldn't they build more units that way?

Appart from that, JC is willing to be bribed into someone.

But why should we waste bribing techs in wars we are not really interested in? I would prefer to just let the actual war go on.
 
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