shyuhe
Deity
Sorry I can't open the save. Is Nidaros on a hill?
Apocalypse Now
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pigswill
fly (one day)
Had a look at the save. We haven't checked out the viking cities yet (axe on its way).
I noticed that our workers are busy building mines but not farming wheat.
I noticed that our workers are busy building mines but not farming wheat.
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
This is crucial. It seems to me Nidaros might be holy city aswell, in which case it will have 60% if we wait for cats (I think), perhaps even if we don't... It will be impossible without siege if on a hill. (impossible here meaning not worth it).
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Yeah, I think it's an event that destroyed the farm one or two turns before writing...
@DE: You could perhaps play few turns and post a picture of Nidaros so we can decide what to do... then finish your turns... are you OK with this?
edit: @Pigswill: are you talking of the pigs? I thought the wheat farm had been destroyed but no... if it's the case, I will hide myself behing the happy cap of 3 (after a whip) in Osaka
Pigs will be improved but I thought chops had to take priority...
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
DE, will you be able to got it? if not today I might swap you with Paulus as I want the game to move on.
PaulusIII
Unholy Warlord
My bad. I am up and thought it was someone else's turn. 
Got it!
Got it!
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
My bad. I am up and thought it was someone else's turn.
Got it!
me too... I tought DE was second... Good luck 
PaulusIII
Unholy Warlord
Gentlemen... Nidaros has fallen. 
shyuhe
Deity
I'll believe it when I see a screenshot And maybe a report 
And maybe a report
PaulusIII
Unholy Warlord
Seeing as nobody believes me...
We can get Uppsala now too but I'll leave that honor to Diamondeye
We can get Uppsala now too but I'll leave that honor to Diamondeye
r_rolo1
King of myself
I still don't believe it. It was WBed
( and stop
our poor citizens )
( and stop
our poor citizens )
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
lol guys! Can't wait for the report and save!
shyuhe
Deity
math-sailing-calendar is starting to look really good now. Unless we're going to war with elephants soon 
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
Waiting for a save and a report. Well done, Paulus! I will be able to get to it tomorrow, some time
Anyone disagree to maths, as shyuhe suggests?
Anyone disagree to maths, as shyuhe suggests?
PaulusIII
Unholy Warlord
Not even I disagree on Math... well, if our economy can handle it. Which it can't.
Well, I obviously started this set with war on my mind. We are boxed in, our economy is FUBAR and we have a big army. The solution is obvious.
We set the axe on its road towards Nidaros, and find 3 turns later Nidaros is not hilled but already on 60%. The garrison is not very big but there are axes roaming around, so I thought I needed a bit more buildup (turned out to be a mistake of mine, the troops I started with would've been more than enough to take Nidaros). Research is set to Math but we don't have an economy to speak of. When I declared we even went negative at 0%.
Several turns later I notice Ragnar is in WHEOOHRN! I doubt he would be gearing up to attack us (after all we are stronger on the powergraph) but I don't care who he's planning to attack so we can stab him in the back, we don't have that kind of time in our current situation. If he's in troop spam mode anyway I might as well declare war now and march on Nidaros. We're only going to face more Vikings whether we like it or not. I DoW Ragnar, We take several turns to Nidaros, and behold what we find there... Nidaros is blatantly underdefended with an axe, an archer and a chariot! We lose an axe and a sword to the 60% defense bonus but kill the rest of the troops; Nidaros is now ours. Bonus: The granary and lighthouse are still intact.
I press on towards Uppsala which is your typical awkwardly placed AI city - its too close to the coast for my liking. It's heavier defended, I lose several troops to defenders (of course he already built a wall there) but the tide turns against him after losing two axes. Or maybe just because Ragnar is both a literal and a figurative bonehead... I mean, whipping spearmen? We don't even have horses! Or tanks, for that matter :spearman:
I've saved to discuss whether we should take the city or simply burn it. Diamondeye can simply send in the last sword/axe this turn and either keep it or raze it. There's only Haithabu left after that; it's towards the north, near the French border. We also have a settler ready; I sent him towards Sugar City but settling was as of then too big of a risk. There are Vikings lurking around. Kyoto also has a library now (which, as Rolo saw correctly, has been whipped ).
I think we have enough to take out Ragnar and then rebuild our economy... yeah, I didn't do much there. I'm sorry, but when I'm at war every sane thought is blocked out by 'we here, others there, KILL THEM'. When I'm at war I go all the way.
I suggest we run scientists in Kyoto as soon as possible so we get a GS and bulb him. We really need some tradebait at this point to catch up in tech.
Well, I obviously started this set with war on my mind. We are boxed in, our economy is FUBAR and we have a big army. The solution is obvious.
We set the axe on its road towards Nidaros, and find 3 turns later Nidaros is not hilled but already on 60%. The garrison is not very big but there are axes roaming around, so I thought I needed a bit more buildup (turned out to be a mistake of mine, the troops I started with would've been more than enough to take Nidaros). Research is set to Math but we don't have an economy to speak of. When I declared we even went negative at 0%.
Several turns later I notice Ragnar is in WHEOOHRN! I doubt he would be gearing up to attack us (after all we are stronger on the powergraph) but I don't care who he's planning to attack so we can stab him in the back, we don't have that kind of time in our current situation. If he's in troop spam mode anyway I might as well declare war now and march on Nidaros. We're only going to face more Vikings whether we like it or not. I DoW Ragnar, We take several turns to Nidaros, and behold what we find there... Nidaros is blatantly underdefended with an axe, an archer and a chariot! We lose an axe and a sword to the 60% defense bonus but kill the rest of the troops; Nidaros is now ours. Bonus: The granary and lighthouse are still intact.
I press on towards Uppsala which is your typical awkwardly placed AI city - its too close to the coast for my liking. It's heavier defended, I lose several troops to defenders (of course he already built a wall there) but the tide turns against him after losing two axes. Or maybe just because Ragnar is both a literal and a figurative bonehead... I mean, whipping spearmen? We don't even have horses! Or tanks, for that matter :spearman:
I've saved to discuss whether we should take the city or simply burn it. Diamondeye can simply send in the last sword/axe this turn and either keep it or raze it. There's only Haithabu left after that; it's towards the north, near the French border. We also have a settler ready; I sent him towards Sugar City but settling was as of then too big of a risk. There are Vikings lurking around. Kyoto also has a library now (which, as Rolo saw correctly, has been whipped
). I think we have enough to take out Ragnar and then rebuild our economy... yeah, I didn't do much there. I'm sorry, but when I'm at war every sane thought is blocked out by 'we here, others there, KILL THEM'. When I'm at war I go all the way.
I suggest we run scientists in Kyoto as soon as possible so we get a GS and bulb him. We really need some tradebait at this point to catch up in tech.
shyuhe
Deity
Actually sailing-math-calendar is better. We'll get foreign trade routes faster that way. We just need to do it fast enough that the math research doesn't decay (15 turns?)
edit: As for keeping Uppsala, I don't know how in debt we are. Assuming we can do 10-20% research, I'd keep Uppsala. It has good land and once we get workers over there, it'll break even.
I imagine some scientists should allow us to get to sailing which should alleviate some pain. And we can burn more troops on Ragnar's last city. Haithabu is definitely a keeper with ivory (assuming we have the troops to take it) as it'll let us grow more and grassland ivory is 2/2/2. Emphasis on that last two
and depending on where our power is, we may want to consider extorting tech instead of trading for it.
edit: As for keeping Uppsala, I don't know how in debt we are. Assuming we can do 10-20% research, I'd keep Uppsala. It has good land and once we get workers over there, it'll break even.
I imagine some scientists should allow us to get to sailing which should alleviate some pain. And we can burn more troops on Ragnar's last city. Haithabu is definitely a keeper with ivory (assuming we have the troops to take it) as it'll let us grow more and grassland ivory is 2/2/2. Emphasis on that last two
and depending on where our power is, we may want to consider extorting tech instead of trading for it.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
I agree with Shyuhe, I'd keep both remaining cities... we just need plenty of workers to cottage up grasslands, 4 is not enough with soon 6 (7 with candy one) cities...
On which city should we run scientists? I am thinking Kyoto and Nidaros for the first two ones... Osaka should work its cottages to recover the eco asap. In the long run Nidaros and candy city would make great GP farms.
Agreed on sailing -> math -> calendar. We might have to put some turns in alpha to trade math <-> alpha (and perhaps monarchy too).
We need to open borders with the maximum of leaders (for trade routes) as the diplo allows, and to explore along the coast with a wb...
So the plan (comments welcome ):
Finish Ragnar, produce more workers, improve the land, settle candy city when we can afford it (but watch for ennemy settlers), tech sailing, math.
Cheers,
DE -> up!
Rolo -> on deck!
On which city should we run scientists? I am thinking Kyoto and Nidaros for the first two ones... Osaka should work its cottages to recover the eco asap. In the long run Nidaros and candy city would make great GP farms.
Agreed on sailing -> math -> calendar. We might have to put some turns in alpha to trade math <-> alpha (and perhaps monarchy too).
We need to open borders with the maximum of leaders (for trade routes) as the diplo allows, and to explore along the coast with a wb...
So the plan (comments welcome
):Finish Ragnar, produce more workers, improve the land, settle candy city when we can afford it (but watch for ennemy settlers), tech sailing, math.
Cheers,
DE -> up!
Rolo -> on deck!
shyuhe
Deity
We can get sailing pretty fast with 100% research. I'd burn through the pillage money to get sailing. Also, we should change EP to Ramsses or someone. Ragnar's going to be dead soon so we won't be needing those EP.
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
Well, ladies and gentlemen, it is with glee in our hearts that we celebrate the passing of Ragnar Lodbrok 
... I teched Sailing @100% BPT, then switched back to maths, I believe I have put one turn @100% in it.
Also, from our very last victory over the Vikings, we got this guy:
... And I chose to keep both cities, settler is on the way to Candyland.
I am thinking we can whip that one unhappiness away for the library soon, we might want to whip the monuments aswell (Uppsala has a gran, hence the monument despite Hinduism for culture).
Now, the bad news, the cost of overexpanding;
... The pics are on their way to be uploaded, that's the reason if they arent yet displaying.
... I teched Sailing @100% BPT, then switched back to maths, I believe I have put one turn @100% in it.
Also, from our very last victory over the Vikings, we got this guy:
Spoiler Overview + Pachacuti :
... And I chose to keep both cities, settler is on the way to Candyland.
I am thinking we can whip that one unhappiness away for the library soon, we might want to whip the monuments aswell (Uppsala has a gran, hence the monument despite Hinduism for culture).
Now, the bad news, the cost of overexpanding;
Spoiler Civic and tech situation :
... The pics are on their way to be uploaded, that's the reason if they arent yet displaying.
