Valkrionn
The Hamster King
Actually, the patch is *mostly* finished. Vermicious is testing atm... Ran into a host of xml bugs that were caused by a stupid mistake I made, but hopefully those are squashed. 
Minor Leaders
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Valkrionn
The Hamster King
Changing Tya's trait a bit... The issue with Unready not applying was actually the fact that they couldn't get the promotion naturally, yet MustMaintain was set... Forcing the promotion to be removed the moment they can't get it naturally.
To fix it, I added an effect promo that blocks it, requiring a tier 3+ unit. So Mages and up, as it should be. While doing it, I decided to add a twincast effect to it... In compensation, barb chance doubles. So it's now:
Gives you strong adepts, and even stronger mages, but a decent chance that you'll lose the unit before it learns control. Thoughts?
To fix it, I added an effect promo that blocks it, requiring a tier 3+ unit. So Mages and up, as it should be. While doing it, I decided to add a twincast effect to it... In compensation, barb chance doubles. So it's now:
- Unready(Trait) grants to all Arcane units:
- Channeling 2
- Unready(Promotion):
- 1 xp/turn, to a cap of 15.
- 8% chance/turn of going barbarian
Gives you strong adepts, and even stronger mages, but a decent chance that you'll lose the unit before it learns control. Thoughts?
Actually, the patch is *mostly* finished. Vermicious is testing atm... Ran into a host of xml bugs that were caused by a stupid mistake I made, but hopefully those are squashed.
Awesome. I've actually been waiting for the update so I could update my normal BTS. Still playing one relatively large game as the Archos, Calabim, Shieam, Dural, Khadi, and Mechanos, and I'm hoping I can finish it before it reaches the point of Bad Memory Allocations. But that's a discussion for another thread.
The only other Civ that I can think of that is still without any other leader is the Dural, even though Dannmos pretty much has complete control. I think I posted an idea of using the sculptor of the Statues, but I wasnt sure whatever came from that idea, especially because he would need to have a unique trait to balance out Dannmos's Adaptability creating all kinds of Havoc, and Industrious due to the flavor of the Dural. But this can all be covered in a new patch, as you're almost done with the current one.
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
Yeah, current one is mostly an update. Has Vermicious's Jotnar work (MASSIVE revamp), but not much of my own... Next release will be a full one, containing a preliminary version of the Bezeri, revamped leaders, etc. No idea how long it will be, though.
I'm really excited about the Bezeri, honestly. Although it makes me wonder how far this is going to go, such as when we're going to have things that become absolutely ridiculous, such as a Kurio/Mechanos leader whos cities are really giant airships or some such tomfoolery.
One question though- when you say that the Minor trait is lost when the player has constructed their fourth city, do you mean literally constructed, or for the more aggressive, can the city be conquered?
One question though- when you say that the Minor trait is lost when the player has constructed their fourth city, do you mean literally constructed, or for the more aggressive, can the city be conquered?
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
......Why have I not thought of that? 
That would make an amazing scenario, at the very least.
As for the trait, any method will do. It'll check both when you settle a city, and when you conquer (and KEEP) a city. Once you have four total, Minor is lost.
That would make an amazing scenario, at the very least. As for the trait, any method will do. It'll check both when you settle a city, and when you conquer (and KEEP) a city. Once you have four total, Minor is lost.
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
Any format you like, I'm not picky at all.
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Revamped how?Yeah, current one is mostly an update. Has Vermicious's Jotnar work (MASSIVE revamp), but not much of my own... Next release will be a full one, containing a preliminary version of the Bezeri, revamped leaders, etc. No idea how long it will be, though.
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
That's when the Emergent/Minor/Major setup will be in. 
Gives us time to setup traits for the Minor leaders.
Gives us time to setup traits for the Minor leaders.
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Can't wait. Very nearly resurrected Fall Flat this afternoon to get Xiven back in somewhere...
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
So... Found some art I'd LOVE to make a leader for. Usually the leader comes first, but hey... This one just fits.
Rather than make an arbitrary leader, though, I thought I'd post the art and let people post ideas that might be fitting... I'm giving you free reign over the civ, traits, and Minor/Emergent status. I've actually begun work on that as well, just to let you know.
Just to make it a bit more of a contest, I'll put a deadline of a week on submissions... At the end of that time period, I'll start a poll, and let people vote on it for another few days.
Rather than make an arbitrary leader, though, I thought I'd post the art and let people post ideas that might be fitting... I'm giving you free reign over the civ, traits, and Minor/Emergent status. I've actually begun work on that as well, just to let you know.
Just to make it a bit more of a contest, I'll put a deadline of a week on submissions... At the end of that time period, I'll start a poll, and let people vote on it for another few days.
Spoiler LeaderHead :
Hmmm... Is the leaderhead supposed to be that off center? Doesnt matter, I've got four different ideas floating around now because of that image. Of course, now I have to finish the Pedia entry for Goodreau at the moment, which is actually growing rather large. Currently, its... 7 pages IIRC in Microsoft Word. I can chop it down, but is there an actual size/character limit to a single Pedia Entry?
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
That's not a finished leaderhead by any means, but the original artwork. I'll end up trimming it... But she'll never be centered. I think you're supposed to see the Castle in the background... The title is 'What She Saw', so it makes sense.
Yeah, I like the image.. It's just so perfect for FfH.
7 pages... Wow.
As far as I know, there is absolutely no size limit... But that'll eclipse any other entry. I think I'll have to give it it's own text file, as the same entry will have to be repeated 5 times for other languages. Not really an issue though. Size doesn't bother me... I'm a Lore Whore. 
Edit: Incidentally, the image comes from the same artist as Opera's avatar image... There are a few others, but none that I feel would really fit FfH.
Yeah, I like the image.. It's just so perfect for FfH.
7 pages... Wow.
As far as I know, there is absolutely no size limit... But that'll eclipse any other entry. I think I'll have to give it it's own text file, as the same entry will have to be repeated 5 times for other languages. Not really an issue though. Size doesn't bother me... I'm a Lore Whore. Edit: Incidentally, the image comes from the same artist as Opera's avatar image... There are a few others, but none that I feel would really fit FfH.
That's not a finished leaderhead by any means, but the original artwork. I'll end up trimming it... But she'll never be centered. I think you're supposed to see the Castle in the background... The title is 'What She Saw', so it makes sense.
Yeah, I like the image.. It's just so perfect for FfH.
7 pages... Wow.
Edit: Incidentally, the image comes from the same artist as Opera's avatar image... There are a few others, but none that I feel would really fit FfH.
Ahh. Good to know. I should finish it up (Editing it may chop bits and chunks out of it to make it more streamlined and expressive without sacrificing the story itself) soon.
Are there any civs that we shouldn't write her up as? Like say, ones that have too many leaders as is (I had a really good idea for a Bannor, but then realized they have Sabathiel, Capria, Decius, AND Tethira, so a Fifth leader may be a bit much).
Funny I was thinking she would fit the Bannor too. She could the Calabim in my own modmod, but I don't think she would fit them in normal FFPlus (I've made the Calabim more of a traditional feudal society with UU replacing Knights and the City art they use in FfH).
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
Hmm... I wouldn't count Decius as a normal leader, so Bannor is fine. The only ones I'd avoid are the Balseraph(she doesn't fit anyway), the Illians, and the Mercurians/Infernals. Anyone else is fine.
Celia the Undying, Sheiam leader, traits are Nightmarish/Minor. (is a Vampire, kinda)
Nightmarish-> all Arcane units gain fear, all Disciple units gain vile touch, + 1 unhappy in all cities, +1 science in all cities
Among the the aristocracy of the Calabim, it is considered a gift to learn the dark art. For Celia, gaining the gift was much by accident, and was as much a tortuous curse as it was a freedom from her former, feeble nature. Celia had a natural talent for mind and dimension magic, although she would never learn of this until much later. Instead, she was born as a bastard to a simple farmers daughter, after having slipped away from home to see what the Balseraph revelry was all about. Unfortunately ... Celia was borne with a grandfather that spited her, if not hating her. She was seen as a demon that was proof of her mother's sins, and the Proud Farmer wanted nothing to do with her.
When a savage wolfpack came into the farm and killed her family, she decided to venture out ... very troubled and untrusting of humans. She traveled through the wilderness living like a wild animal. Occasionally people would find her, and these events were always awkward, usually ending in bloodshed. She didn't mean to kill them, she was just so paranoid, and fearful of humankin. Then eventually she stumbled upon a manor. A young calabim lord subdued her and took her to his quarters. He was planning to feast on her soul. The Lord heard a disturbance in his manor, and shut her away in the closet. The disturbance was a band of Grigori adventurers, and eventually they had slain the vampyre. As his soul was floating by her, towards the fane of lessers, her savage mind managed to absorb all of his memories. Suddenly she was cursed with the knowledge, but remained quite mortal for the time being.
Her mind was more confused than a Balseraph Jester waking up at noon. Eventually she stumbled upon an Elohim abbey, and some of the maidens there attempted to help her. For several days she said nothing, and acted as if in a total comatose. Then one day a monk came to check up on her. He had the foul luck of looking much like her grandfather, and in a rage she tore into his flesh. He was able to push her back and defend himself, although he was defeated by surprise. Unable to produce a counterattack, the man was fated to die as Celia unknowingly created a dimensional rift at his feet, causing his lower half to drop into the floor, and then be sealed into the earth and stone. She tore into his neck, eating the flesh, and attempted to perform the ritual she had learned from those strange memories, however in this situation it was not completely possible, and she was already vastly confused. The improvisations filled most of the gaps, but the ritual was still uncomplete. Regardless she was able to consume part of his soul by willpower alone, and gained a hint of the immortality and powers the Vampires know well and adore. After feasting on most of the mans neck, shoulders, face, and chest, the maidens walked in and she ended up sending them into a different rift of space completely. Eventually, after much devastation in her wake, she finds Os-Gabella who takes Celia under her wing. Even Gabella is somewhat curious how Celia finds pleasure in acts Gabella thought only enjoyable by demons and depraved undead. Regardless, Gabella didn't really care. She knew that Celia would make a fine addition to the upper command structure. She was able to have a much more "direct" diplomacy with those of demonkin, and got along with them better than she did humans.
Those humans that did end up under her direct command ended up being nearly as grotesque and consumed as she was. If they weren't being cooperative, she would feed them the memories of tortured victims. Many went mad and became near useless, other than demon food, although those that were able to overcome the rigors became the deranged and nightmarish legions of Celia, feared by all that knew of her.
Edit: "Your nightmares have only just begun, mine have spent centuries in the making." (quote)
religious weights: OO +20, AV +40, ROK -10, FOL +5, Esus +10, Empy -20, Order -40
favorite civic is Sacrifice the Weak, other favorites are Slavery, and Theocracy.
Unitpath likes to start down the arcane, then following with the divine path. Favorite tech is Malevolent Designs. second favorite, although higher priority, is mages.
AI will try for arcane or summoner traits, although will settle for aggresive or organized when the time comes.
Unit progression would be something like ... first adepts, then adepts + catapults (and skeletons) then either for Sorcery or Ritualists. Probably Sorcery. Much death mana, maybe entropy, and then certainly Mages, Ritualists, Catapults eventually. After that, an almost beeline for Malevolent Designs unless needing some economic techs, like Code of Laws for instance. AI should save the Grimoire until it would net Malevolent designs, even at the risk of someone else stealing an early build of it. (or if it could be taught to plan ahead ... and "think" like Xienwolfe says) .... at least that would be the gist of it. Mainly focusing on arcane and divine, using summons and seige to make up for lack of melee.
If possible, instead of the unhappy from Nightmarish, could add the weak promo to certain other units, like the melee, cavalry, or archery line for instance. Current Idea is perfectly fine though.
Has extremely high favors to create Death and Entropy mana. Will always go Necromancy instead of Alteration.
possible diplomacy music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-6q50aY4ZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUxYkAFZacI&feature=related -> I like the part in the middle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lh7jQxt8Sg&feature=fvw -> best so far imo (has good intro)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFubJOV6Obo -> possible alternate ... voice could be more eeire imo, if there is a non-voice version, would be great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4HwnN8nTg&feature=related -> interesting ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgOe9rjVdgk&feature=related -> this one for me speaks to the picture (leaderhead) the most. even if it is the simplest one.
Nightmarish-> all Arcane units gain fear, all Disciple units gain vile touch, + 1 unhappy in all cities, +1 science in all cities
Among the the aristocracy of the Calabim, it is considered a gift to learn the dark art. For Celia, gaining the gift was much by accident, and was as much a tortuous curse as it was a freedom from her former, feeble nature. Celia had a natural talent for mind and dimension magic, although she would never learn of this until much later. Instead, she was born as a bastard to a simple farmers daughter, after having slipped away from home to see what the Balseraph revelry was all about. Unfortunately ... Celia was borne with a grandfather that spited her, if not hating her. She was seen as a demon that was proof of her mother's sins, and the Proud Farmer wanted nothing to do with her.
When a savage wolfpack came into the farm and killed her family, she decided to venture out ... very troubled and untrusting of humans. She traveled through the wilderness living like a wild animal. Occasionally people would find her, and these events were always awkward, usually ending in bloodshed. She didn't mean to kill them, she was just so paranoid, and fearful of humankin. Then eventually she stumbled upon a manor. A young calabim lord subdued her and took her to his quarters. He was planning to feast on her soul. The Lord heard a disturbance in his manor, and shut her away in the closet. The disturbance was a band of Grigori adventurers, and eventually they had slain the vampyre. As his soul was floating by her, towards the fane of lessers, her savage mind managed to absorb all of his memories. Suddenly she was cursed with the knowledge, but remained quite mortal for the time being.
Her mind was more confused than a Balseraph Jester waking up at noon. Eventually she stumbled upon an Elohim abbey, and some of the maidens there attempted to help her. For several days she said nothing, and acted as if in a total comatose. Then one day a monk came to check up on her. He had the foul luck of looking much like her grandfather, and in a rage she tore into his flesh. He was able to push her back and defend himself, although he was defeated by surprise. Unable to produce a counterattack, the man was fated to die as Celia unknowingly created a dimensional rift at his feet, causing his lower half to drop into the floor, and then be sealed into the earth and stone. She tore into his neck, eating the flesh, and attempted to perform the ritual she had learned from those strange memories, however in this situation it was not completely possible, and she was already vastly confused. The improvisations filled most of the gaps, but the ritual was still uncomplete. Regardless she was able to consume part of his soul by willpower alone, and gained a hint of the immortality and powers the Vampires know well and adore. After feasting on most of the mans neck, shoulders, face, and chest, the maidens walked in and she ended up sending them into a different rift of space completely. Eventually, after much devastation in her wake, she finds Os-Gabella who takes Celia under her wing. Even Gabella is somewhat curious how Celia finds pleasure in acts Gabella thought only enjoyable by demons and depraved undead. Regardless, Gabella didn't really care. She knew that Celia would make a fine addition to the upper command structure. She was able to have a much more "direct" diplomacy with those of demonkin, and got along with them better than she did humans.
Those humans that did end up under her direct command ended up being nearly as grotesque and consumed as she was. If they weren't being cooperative, she would feed them the memories of tortured victims. Many went mad and became near useless, other than demon food, although those that were able to overcome the rigors became the deranged and nightmarish legions of Celia, feared by all that knew of her.
Edit: "Your nightmares have only just begun, mine have spent centuries in the making." (quote)
religious weights: OO +20, AV +40, ROK -10, FOL +5, Esus +10, Empy -20, Order -40
favorite civic is Sacrifice the Weak, other favorites are Slavery, and Theocracy.
Unitpath likes to start down the arcane, then following with the divine path. Favorite tech is Malevolent Designs. second favorite, although higher priority, is mages.
AI will try for arcane or summoner traits, although will settle for aggresive or organized when the time comes.
Unit progression would be something like ... first adepts, then adepts + catapults (and skeletons) then either for Sorcery or Ritualists. Probably Sorcery. Much death mana, maybe entropy, and then certainly Mages, Ritualists, Catapults eventually. After that, an almost beeline for Malevolent Designs unless needing some economic techs, like Code of Laws for instance. AI should save the Grimoire until it would net Malevolent designs, even at the risk of someone else stealing an early build of it. (or if it could be taught to plan ahead ... and "think" like Xienwolfe says) .... at least that would be the gist of it. Mainly focusing on arcane and divine, using summons and seige to make up for lack of melee.
If possible, instead of the unhappy from Nightmarish, could add the weak promo to certain other units, like the melee, cavalry, or archery line for instance. Current Idea is perfectly fine though.
Has extremely high favors to create Death and Entropy mana. Will always go Necromancy instead of Alteration.
possible diplomacy music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-6q50aY4ZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUxYkAFZacI&feature=related -> I like the part in the middle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lh7jQxt8Sg&feature=fvw -> best so far imo (has good intro)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFubJOV6Obo -> possible alternate ... voice could be more eeire imo, if there is a non-voice version, would be great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4HwnN8nTg&feature=related -> interesting ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgOe9rjVdgk&feature=related -> this one for me speaks to the picture (leaderhead) the most. even if it is the simplest one.
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
I like it. That one will definitely be in the poll.
That one will definitely be in the poll.
