Imperium Offtopicum V

There are no Christians in Safavid Persia. Only former Christians, and dead Christians. The same is true for all infidels.

please note: in Byzantium, people of the book (christians, jewish muslims) gets treated well. you just have to be Christian to have a job in the Government.

all other relgions either do not exist or are not tolerated.

Since everyone is divulging their treatment of religious minorities, I will do so as well. I and most of my kingdom follows the true Christian God and his Pope, but we do have a sizable Muslim majority in the south. We fear that they may revolt if we restrict them too much, but they are openly treated as 2nd class citizens. We have a small Jewish faction and they are treated horribly, though they are free to leave if they wish. As much as we try to convince them to get out of Spain, they just.. won't... leave! We have banned all other religions and anyone followinging any other beliefs are burned at the stake.

DroopyTofu said:

Since everyone is divulging their treatment of religious minorities, I will do so as well. I and most of my kingdom follows the true Christian God and his Pope, but we do have a sizable Muslim majority in the south. We fear that they may revolt if we restrict them too much, but they are openly treated as 2nd class citizens. We have a small Jewish faction and they are treated horribly, though they are free to leave if they wish. As much as we try to convince them to get out of Spain, they just.. won't... leave! We have banned all other religions and anyone followinging any other beliefs are burned at the stake.

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if you dont want them to stay, simply expel them.

DroopyTofu said:

Spoiler rants about OT stuff :

I agree with Cull. You guys are acting like it's the 20th century. If we're going to play in the 1400's, act like your in the 1400's! All this other stuff is really bugging me.

And can we please put our nation names in the title box of our posts. I can't keep up with who's who. It would make the thread much more readable IMHO.

Math, can you just please keep the same government for atleast one update. kthanxsbye.

Since everyone is divulging their treatment of religious minorities, I will do so as well. I and most of my kingdom follows the true Christian God and his Pope, but we do have a sizable Muslim majority in the south. We fear that they may revolt if we restrict them too much, but they are openly treated as 2nd class citizens. We have a small Jewish faction and they are treated horribly, though they are free to leave if they wish. As much as we try to convince them to get out of Spain, they just.. won't... leave! We have banned all other religions and anyone followinging any other beliefs are burned at the stake.

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No, Japan is just making progress.

We are willing to accept any immigrants that won't to come here. People are allowed to emigrate anywhere except to Italy and Turkey.

I hereby cancel my trade agreement with Spain. My taoist and Confucius merchants fear being burned to death for entering the country.

We applaud Xi'an's decision and will limit trade with any nation that would discriminate against the majority of our population.

Domination3000 said:

No, Japan is just making progress.

We are willing to accept any immigrants that won't to come here. People are allowed to emigrate anywhere except to Italy and Turkey.

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frankly, you do not have a say in what your citizens do. if some wants to move to the papal states or Byzantium, you cant do anything about it.

ilduce349 said:

I hereby cancel my trade agreement with Spain. My taoist and Confucius merchants fear being burned to death for entering the country.

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Foreign Nationales are not counted in this. They are free to practice religion within their home country's laws. I apologize for the confusion.

Mathalamus said:

if you dont want them to stay, simply expel them.

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I believe that all "People of the Book" have a right to stay in Spain and therefore will not expel them. We may try and make them wish they were expelled, but if they do not mind being treated like dirt, they may remain in Spain.

Foreign Nationales are not counted in this. They are free to practice religion within their home country's laws. I apologize for the confusion.

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In that case I will keep the trade agreement but urge that you change your ways towards a more tolerant nation

Can we just call this a modern game? If you don't even bother with the roleplay, or even close to the time period, what's the point?

Technology.

If we wanted a modern game we'd have to start over.

Update #3​

1465​

Summary of events, brought to you by LOL

Pretty much one word can sum up the past four years, ALIENATION. At least 2 nations have alienated themselves from the world with their dastardly diplomacy, climatic claims, and their, uh, raging religions. Byzantium was the first to jump on this bandwagon with a massive spat with the pope himself, leaving him excommunicated and embargoed (though that has been lifted). Japan followed when they surprised the world with massive news of reformation, causing most to panic. This of course turned out to be an extravagant April Fool's joke by some of the Japanese nobles, angering the world.

Other than that, there was a debate over who would control Mecca, fracturing the Muslim world (to my knowledge it hasn't been resolved yet), and now a debate over policies in the Holy Land.

Diplomacy
Empire of the Nile - Defensive Pact - South Africa
Burgundy - Alliance - Papal States
Morea - Defensive Pact - Eastern Russia

If I missed anything please tell me, I had to skim through a lot of posts.

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GM Notes- To make it easier, please post 1) Maps of claims, and 2) Put them in regional form, so he doesn't have to search the entire map.

This map is accurate up to the time it was posted. Anything after might not be mentioned in the map. If you have any problems, please PM CivG about it, so he can check it immediately, rather than have him go on a hunt through the thread to find a person's problem.

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The front page will be updated.

GM Notes- (This will mostly be regarding future stuff, as I really don't have any complaints about this round )

-In the future, look for a streamlined tech/income system. It's currently being discussed by the GM's
-In the future, look for a new system of land division (when a player leaves permanently), the system we have now is rather flawed and we're looking to fix it
-In the future, look for a possible off-topic thread, I am currently in talks with it's most avid supporter, Bobbtjoe
-Since we're onto update 3, we're thinking of throwing some events in, so don't get caught off guard

Byzantine cliams



we Disband our army and navy, put one gold into civilian tech one, the rest military technolgy.

Civilian tech one

(i...don't know what i just invented )

I dunno how to do zoomed in, so I'll just say the six bright yellow in the Holy Land are my claims.



I spend 22 gold on Mil tech, finishing it. I also buy my free army and place it in Antioch. If army costs upkeep the turn it is made, the two gold shall pay upkeep. If not, spend it on mil tech.

Everything I did last turn has been ignored.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9454941&postcount=405

This should work, Claims here.

EDIT: I have no idea why it failed. Anyhow, I'll try and get a map soon, but I tried to claim all the land on the main island and one claim on the Northern Island.

Cull said:

I dunno how to do zoomed in, so I'll just say the six bright yellow in the Holy Land are my claims.

Spoiler :

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the Byzantine Republic wishes to negotiate the ownership of Cyprus.

Cyprus is ours. We don't negotiate with the excommunicated.

And I wish to propose an alliance with Germany next.

The new pope is Pope Leo V.

Cull said:

Cyprus is ours.

And I wish to propose an alliance with Germany next.

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thats it? cyprus is ours? no compromise?

whoever gets Cyprus first next update owns it.

EDIT: we Embargo the pope.