Nuclear Fusion might not be 20 years away any more...

Its Lockheed, the folks who made the SR 71.; If they say they can do this then its likely they can do this. Still, proof would be nice for the principle of the thing.
 
Suuure...

Will believe it when i see it.
 
That's what they said about flight, supersonics and landing on the moon.
 
Ya, and the really nutty ones still don't believe we landed on the moon.
 

from that article said:
But Lockheed’s four paragraph press release and accompanying video are heavy on hyperbole and light on detail.
Yeah, that's to be expected. Lockheed's Skunkworks isn't exactly big on transparency. Frankly, if they say they can do it, I sure as hell believe them over some inept government agency making a claim, or some newspaper poo-pooing the claim because Lockheed wasn't very forthcoming.

It's not like they were able to make a stealth fighter that was operational for a decade without any actual proof of it being operational... oh wait...
 
Fusion is not like making planes or rockets, it is THE big challenge for humanity where huge international organizations with huge means have been working for many decades. But now here comes Lockheed a newcomer in the field looking for new investors after defense cutbacks, making a spectacular claim (another one in the long list about fusion) without giving any detail. Sorry but any claims requires proof to be believable, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Only an ignorant would believe this without further evidence.
 
Well, it's worth the (in aggregate) money being spent on it. Stuff like this, I don't even mind if it's the taxpayer's dime. It's only by trying can you succeed. Stuff that's too risky for VCs is right up the public's alley. We learned this when the Internet was still Arpanet or when Apple was an SRBI grant-receiving entity. Clearly, it's nice if we can leverage investor money too. By the time it's an IPO, though, most of the risk will already have been borne.
 
So, some of the brightest people on earth have been working for years and spending billions on huge tokomak fusion reactors and Lockheed Martin invents a portable one? If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
 
So, some of the brightest people on earth have been working for years and spending billions on huge tokomak fusion reactors and Lockheed Martin invents a portable one? If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

From the article in the thread Peter Grimes started in S&T...

An advanced fusion reactor version, the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER), being built in Cadarache, France, is expected to generate 500 MW. However, plasma is not due to be generated until the late 2020s, and derivatives are not likely to be producing significant power until at least the 2040s.

The problem with tokamaks is that “they can only hold so much plasma, and we call that the beta limit,” McGuire says. Measured as the ratio of plasma pressure to the magnetic pressure, the beta limit of the average tokamak is low, or about “5% or so of the confining pressure,” he says. Comparing the torus to a bicycle tire, McGuire adds, “if they put too much in, eventually their confining tire will fail and burst—so to operate safely, they don’t go too close to that.” Aside from this inefficiency, the physics of the tokamak dictate huge dimensions and massive cost. The ITER, for example, will cost an estimated $50 billion and when complete will measure around 100 ft. high and weigh 23,000 tons.

The CFR will avoid these issues by tackling plasma confinement in a radically different way. Instead of constraining the plasma within tubular rings, a series of superconducting coils will generate a new magnetic-field geometry in which the plasma is held within the broader confines of the entire reaction chamber. Superconducting magnets within the coils will generate a magnetic field around the outer border of the chamber. “So for us, instead of a bike tire expanding into air, we have something more like a tube that expands into an ever-stronger wall,” McGuire says. The system is therefore regulated by a self-tuning feedback mechanism, whereby the farther out the plasma goes, the stronger the magnetic field pushes back to contain it. The CFR is expected to have a beta limit ratio of one. “We should be able to go to 100% or beyond,” he adds.

This crucial difference means that for the same size, the CFR generates more power than a tokamak by a factor of 10. This in turn means, for the same power output, the CFR can be 10 times smaller. The change in scale is a game-changer in terms of producibility and cost, explains McGuire. “It’s one of the reasons we think it is feasible for development and future economics,” he says. “Ten times smaller is the key. But on the physics side, it still has to work, and one of the reasons we think our physics will work is that we’ve been able to make an inherently stable configuration.” One of the main reasons for this stability is the positioning of the superconductor coils and shape of the magnetic field lines. “In our case, it is always in balance. So if you have less pressure, the plasma will be smaller and will always sit in this magnetic well,” he notes.
 
In case anyone wants to see their publicity video about it.

The announcement of viable fusion power... accompanied to dubstep. What has the world come to. :shake:

"10 years we have great military vehicles, 20 years we have clean power for the world."

Shows Lockheed has the same priorities as always I suppose. I would have thought powering an aircraft would have been harder than just running a turbine on the ground, but then of course efficiency and cost also come into play here.

I always kinda liked and dreaded the thought of an airborne aircraft carrier that can stay up forever with a fleet of smaller aircraft that can take off and land while the mothership is airborne. Could probably pull it off with conventional technology and a fleet of drones right now, sounds like a US generals wet dream. Might see it if this stuff is true at all.
 
"10 years we have great military vehicles, 20 years we have clean power for the world."

Shows Lockheed has the same priorities as always I suppose.
What do you expect? They're a defense contractor. It's still incredible news. I don't get all the negativity about this announcement. It's friggin' fusion power! That's the stuff that's gonna unlock the solar system and beyond for us, among other little things like clean unlimited power here on earth.
 
What's not to get about the negativity? They released a video making a bold claim with absolutely no evidence. If someone claims they are going to change the very foundations of society but give you nothing to go off, most are going to be highly skeptical. My response would also be tempered if GlaxoSmithKline announced they will have eradicated all cancer in 20 years but had absolutely no scientific breakthroughs that make that believable.
 
WE should already be using Thorium fission by now but due to the fact you can't make nuclear weapons out of it, the research into it was cut in favour of Uranium. One of the biggest blunders ever and only now we are starting to catch up on it, but really by now we should have had it up and running and making us much cheaper power by now without the nasties of Uranium and even reducing the nasties of Uranium. Fusion will always be a thing in the future.
 
What do you expect? They're a defense contractor. It's still incredible news. I don't get all the negativity about this announcement. It's friggin' fusion power! That's the stuff that's gonna unlock the solar system and beyond for us, among other little things like clean unlimited power here on earth.

Trust me I am very positive about this news, I just thought it a bit amusing that they still have to shove it in a military machine first to get technology like this off the ground when it could literally save the world in the more conventional application. Also the really useful part of fusion technology is apparently still 20 years away so I did find the whole thing slightly underwhelming but there's definitely not anything negative about it.
 
WE should already be using Thorium fission by now but due to the fact you can't make nuclear weapons out of it, the research into it was cut in favour of Uranium. One of the biggest blunders ever and only now we are starting to catch up on it, but really by now we should have had it up and running and making us much cheaper power by now without the nasties of Uranium and even reducing the nasties of Uranium. Fusion will always be a thing in the future.

Both India and China have pilot plant projects in play, at least.
 
All Lockheed has for now is just plans. Tell me when I can load Microfusion Cells into my YCS/186.
 
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