Industrial and later Building/Unit Costs

@ls612

X87 = 3950

National Wonders = x3 (11850)
World Wonders = x8 (31600)

Hypersonic Flight
- NONE

Railgun
- Railgun Battery = 600
TP
- Anti-Missile Railgun = 1250

Fusion
- Laser Battery = 700 (This may need to be moved down the tree)
NW
- Fusion Power Plant = 9000

Mesh Networks
- Advanced Quality Control = 1050

Thought Scanning
- Mind Control Center = 600

Liquid Metals
- NONE

Marine Architecture
- NONE

Gene Enhanchment
- Cloning Factory = 300

This seems like a good place to stop for now.

@Hydro:

First of all, it's very interesting to see the dearth of stuff in the TH era compared to earlier eras. That will fit in nicely with my plans about V28 development (I'll detail those later this week). Also, almost done, Yay!

X76:

The Speedway should be increased to 1900 and the Astrobiology Lab should be moved to a more appropriate point in the TH era.

X77:

The E-Bank, Communications Tower, Think Tank, Monorail Station, and Convention Center should be increased to 2000 hammers. The Roller Derby Track and Skate Park should cost 1500 hammers and the Microwave and Solar plants should cost 3000 hammers.

X78:

The Info Net should be increased to 2150 hammers.

X79:

The VR Theater, Cloning Lab, Quantum Lab, and Re-Pet should cost 2300 hammers.

X80:

The Computer Security Office should cost 2450 hammers and the Replicator Plant should cost 3200 hammers.

X81:

There's only one thing here and it should be increased to 2650 hammers.

X82:

The only thing here is a WW.

X83:

The Park Arcology, Anti-Missile Battery, Control Tower, and Naval Yard should cost 3000 hammers. The Automated Defenses and Robotics Traps should cost 2000 hammers and the Mech Assembly Plant should cost 5000 hammers.

X84:

Both normal buildings here should be increased to 3200 hammers.

X85:

Nothing to see here.

X86:

Also nothing to see here.

X87:

Advanced Quality Control, Mind Control Center, and Cloning Factory should cost 3950 hammers, and the Railgun and Laser Battery should cost 3000 hammers.

This is also good for me to get familiar with the stuff (or lack thereof) in the TH era. I'll be discussing how to address this later this week.

@ls612

Why would Astrobiology Lab need to be moved? Its at Astrobiology Lab tech. We already have them now checking meteorites and non-earth rocks for life and fossils.

This is also good for me to get familiar with the stuff (or lack thereof) in the TH era. I'll be discussing how to address this later this week.

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I agree. I have been getting some great ideas for Industrial and Modern Era buildings. But I still have a huge todo list. It just always seems to get pushed back for big projects like this one. I would like to spend this cycle making new stuff since all I have been doing for the Long Freeze and even before that in the last 2 versions is balancing and tweaking existing buildings. I think its about time I get to do the fun stuff again like creating new buildings and designing new units. You can't say I have not taken the time to help balance things with all this cost tweaking and all of Praetyre's changes. Honestly I hate going over all the buildings over and over. I would rather be a "builder" than a "repairman".

Hydromancerx said:

X76 = 1900

National Wonders = x3 (5700)
World Wonders = x8 (15200)

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Gene Manipulation
WP
- Cure for Cancer = 4100

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Hydromancerx said:

X79 = 2300

National Wonders = x3 (6900)
World Wonders = x8 (18400)

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Cloning
- Cloning Lab = 900
- Re-Pet = 800
WP
- First Cloned Mammal = 2000

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Shouldn't Projects be that cheap compared to WW of the corresponding column?
It's somehow strange to have a WP having a 1/4 to 1/9 of a WW.

@Flinx

You understand that the values listed are the current values and the whole thread is about changing them to new prices right? Such as First Cloned Mammal would go from 2000 to 27600.

Or was you point that Projects should be cheaper than Wonders? I am confused.

Sorry, my bad.
I didn't realise that you listed the current values.

Still i think a WP should be more expensive hammers than a WW.

They are more expensive than WW. WW are 8 times a normal building and Projects are 12 times a normal building.

Here are the buildings/wonders I either are not mine or don't know.

- Tokyo Sky Tree
- Burj Al-Arab
- Pleistocene Park

Hydromancerx said:

Here are the buildings/wonders I either are not mine or don't know.

- Tokyo Sky Tree
- Burj Al-Arab
- Pleistocene Park

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- Burj Al-Arab is mine but I have not put it on the SVN. The text needs to move out of the building infos file and into a game text file so we can support other languages.

@ls612

X88 = 4250

National Wonders = x3 (12750)
World Wonders = x8 (34000)

Automated Services
- NONE

Jovian Exploration
- NONE

Gene Jurisprudence
- NONE

Internal Shockwave Engine
- NONE

Ontological Engineering
- NONE

@ls612

X89 = 4550

National Wonders = x3 (13650)
World Wonders = x8 (36400)

Automated Urbanization
- NONE

Warmachines
- NONE

Nanogenerators
- NONE

Rapid Recuperation
- NONE

Hydromancerx said:

@ls612

Why would Astrobiology Lab need to be moved? Its at Astrobiology Lab tech. We already have them now checking meteorites and non-earth rocks for life and fossils.



I agree. I have been getting some great ideas for Industrial and Modern Era buildings. But I still have a huge todo list. It just always seems to get pushed back for big projects like this one. I would like to spend this cycle making new stuff since all I have been doing for the Long Freeze and even before that in the last 2 versions is balancing and tweaking existing buildings. I think its about time I get to do the fun stuff again like creating new buildings and designing new units. You can't say I have not taken the time to help balance things with all this cost tweaking and all of Praetyre's changes. Honestly I hate going over all the buildings over and over. I would rather be a "builder" than a "repairman".

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I hate it too but it was necessary for making the modern eras balanced. You'll like my plans for V28 also, as it involves a bunch of new stuff now that the Long Freeze is done (more to come on that tomorrow). Thankfully we're almost done with this tedious process.

@ls612

X90 = 4850

National Wonders = x3 (14550)
World Wonders = x8 (38800)

Holographics
- NONE

Biomimetics
- NONE

Advanced Computers
- AI Surveillance = 616
NW
- Computer Center = 1500

Wireless Electricity
- NONE

Plastic Electronics
- Hypermarket = 850

Novus Chemistry
- NONE

Vertical Farming
- Farmscraper I = 1200
- Farmscraper II = 1200
- Farmscraper III = 1200

Bionics
- NONE

@ls612

X91 = 5200

National Wonders = x3 (15600)
World Wonders = x8 (41600)

Skyroads
- Skyroad Station = 420
- Skyroad Control Center = 400

Invisibility
- NONE

Interactive Glass
- NONE

Artificial Intelligence
WP
- Laser Auto-Defense = 1000 (Should this be at this tech?)

Exocortex Networks
- NONE

Accelerated Germination
- NONE

@ls612

X92 = 5550

National Wonders = x3 (16650)
World Wonders = x8 (44400)

Anti-Aging Medicine
WP
- Longevity = 6500

Universal Translator
- NONE

Antigrav
- NONE

Supersonic Rails
- NONE

Artificial Photosynthesis
- NONE

Cyberimmuniology
- NONE

@ls612

X93 = 5950

National Wonders = x3 (17850)
World Wonders = x8 (47600)

Orbital Flight
- Aerospace Complex = 1000

Quantum Computing
- Security Center = 750 (This seems a little late for this.)

Androids
- Android Factory = 1500

Cybernetics
- NONE

Smart Drugs
NW
- Research Hospital = 1200 (Hmm perhaps this could become a Smart Drug factory or something).

Regenerative Medicine
- NONE

@ls612

X94 = 6350

National Wonders = x3 (19050)
World Wonders = x8 (50800)

Advanced Environmental Systems
- Orbital Factory = 900
- Zero G Sports Arena = 1200

Superstrong Alloys
- Methane Power Plant = 500

Personal Robots
- NONE

Environmental Economics
- NONE

Megacorporations
WW
- Global Stock Exchange = 6000

Nanoelectronics
NW
- Nanite Lab = 1250

Cyberpunk
- NONE

Homo Superior
- NONE

DNA Computing
- NONE

And that's the end of the Trans-Human Era. I will stop and wait for you to respond before going on.

Hydromancerx said:

Here are the buildings/wonders I either are not mine or don't know.

- Tokyo Sky Tree
- Burj Al-Arab
- Pleistocene Park

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The other two are mine. Will fix. I'll have to adjust all the Pocket Monsters stuff when we get to Artificial Life.

Faustmouse said:

While making your concept-plan, did you keep in mind that once you reached the industrial era, there are plenty of production-increasing buildings?
And, even worse, the Fusion-Powerplant?

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It's not my plan. I'm just going along with it. I think right now I am looking from the perspective of a late-Renaissance game and trying to build Wonders in relatively new (size about 17) cities that don't have other Wonders already built so I can have some more specialized cities (like a second Science city and a second Artist city). Granted, this is on Snail speed + Deity difficulty, so those are adding to the effect. It's a little shocking to see Taj Mahal planning to take 35 turns.

I believe the fusion power plant is going to be reworked/nerfed at some point...Hydro - what are your plans for it?