Who do you think the leaders in Civ3 should be?

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My choices:

Rome - Marcus Aurelius
Greece - NOT Alexander the Great
Egypt - Ramses II
France - Charlemagne or Louis XIV
Russia - Peter the Great

I find it funny that Bismarck is Germany's leader, but he is the most deserving (same issue with Alexander the Great, although he conquered Greece, didn't rule it an elected rep)
 
My opinion is, that you should have a choice between 2 or 3 leaders.. that would be cool.
 
Marcus Aurelius? I don't agree with that one, yes he was sucessful, but he is definitely not my top choice for Rome. I think Augustus is a fine choice.

I think each of the nations should have a female and a male leader-head
 
For Rome I wouldn't use Marucs Arealus either, he was the last Emeror in Pax Romana, Agustus, the first of Pax Romana is a better choice. I do agree about Charlamene, the Father of Europe. Much better than Joan. In Germany, as hated and evil as he was, Adolf Hitler would be a good leader for Germany. As horrible as he was, he did some great things there. For America I think Washington or FDR would be better than Lincoln.

I also agree that a choice of two or three leaders, all w/ differnet personalites would be MUCH better.
 
Russia-Joseph Stalin
USA-George Washington
Iroquois-Geronimo (I know he's Apache and not Iroquois, but in the game they seem to represent all the North American tribes)
France-Napolean



For Greece, what's wrong with Alexander the Great? Was it because he was Macedonian? For the Chinese Great Leaders, I think the Khans should definitely be taken out, since they're not Chinese, and the Mongol civ is coming.
 
Germany - Hitler. Oh come on there going to include genghis khan now - Hitler was no worse than him and is certainly the most well known leader of germany
 
Originally posted by Graeme the mad
Germany - Hitler. Oh come on there going to include genghis khan now - Hitler was no worse than him and is certainly the most well known leader of germany
We know that won't work. Hitler was too recent of a terror (there are still people living that dealt with the horror that he caused) while GK is so far in the past that he is more legend now.
 
Greece-Pericles
Germany-Hitler
France-Napoleon
Egypt-Ramesses
Rome-Augustus
Iroqouis-Crazy Horse, (One of the few unbeaten Indian chiefs)
America-Dubyaman;)
 
My choices:

Persia - Cyrus the Great

Germany - Bismarck is fine

Russia - Peter the Great

Babylon - Hammurabi is fine

India - Asoka

England - Oliver Cromwell

Greece - Philip II (so Exsanguination, you agree with me now?:lol:- Philip II is certainly better than any other Macedonian, or for that matter, anyone from the REST OF GREECE :))

Rome - Augustus Caesar

Egypt - pos. Akhenaton or Ramses the Great

France - Napoleon

America - Benjamin Franklin or Henry Kissinger

China - Qin

Celts - Kenneth mac Alpin
 
Originally posted by Myartar
In Germany, as hated and evil as he was, Adolf Hitler would be a good leader for Germany. As horrible as he was, he did some great things there.

So we deserve to be led by a Hitler? Thank you sooo much!

And as for the great things: name one! A single one!
 
Virtually zero unemployment, the conquest of France, the unification of the Germans, his diplomatic coups.
Of course, Hitler failed in the end and he was not the kind of man that we would admire morally, but it's simply wrong to claim that he didn't do ANY great things. However, the evil things his regime commited will always overshadow this.
 
Also funded vast research programs that produced things such as the jet engine and early helocopter. While thier purpose was for the Nazi warmachine, they have contributed to modern society.
 
With all leaders like them non of the civs would have made it::) :)

Americans - Warren Harding
French - Charles VI
Germans - Adolf of Nassau
English - Edward V
Japanese - Tsutomu Hata
Chinese - Li Song
Greek - Cleon
Egyptians - Smenkhkare
Babylonians - Nabonidus
Aztecs - Cuauhtemoc
Iroquois - Jesse Lion
Romans - Otho
Persians - Xerxes II
Indians - Shah Jahan II
Zulus - Cetshwayo
Russian - Feodor II
 
What about influential figures from fields other than military or political?

For example:

Greece - Aristotle
Germany - Krupp
Rome - Justinian
America - J. P. Morgan or A. Carnegie
 
What Hitler really did for Germany:

zero unemployment - by spending unbelievable amounts of money the state only could afford to spend because it stole it from the Jews....

the conquest of France - not Hitlers doing, not even his planning. Praise the Wehrmacht, and don`t call it great that Hitler attacked everyone he met (well, almost)

the unification of Germany - read your history book! it was Bismarck who did that, then Versailles bit of small pieces that would have gone back anyway after al while. Certainly nothing good to credit Hitler with!

diplo coups - yes, he was a giften demagogue and negotiator. I once saw a documentation where an old Wehrmacht General recalled how he had seen hitler work himself into an artificial rage just so he`d frighten the British ambassador. But Hitler had war weary opponents and threatened war - not really GREAT coups, are they? Rather, shortsightedness and fear on the hands of his opponents!

funding research - yes he did, but then so did everyone else. The credit should go to the engineers, after all you don´t call Stealth technology Reagans greatest achievement!

and, thoug it hasn`t been mentioned by anyone (yet):
the Autobahn - noi he did not conceive the concept and order them built. They were started long before, hitler just happened to be in power when the A1 was completed!!!!


Now, did he do great things?????
 
Here we go again:

zero unemployment - by spending unbelievable amounts of money the state only could afford to spend because it stole it from the Jews....
That is not how universal unemployment was achieved. It was more to do with clever planning and governmet borrowing.
Anyway, this is irrelevant, it was still an achievement.

the conquest of France - not Hitlers doing, not even his planning. Praise the Wehrmacht, and don`t call it great that Hitler attacked everyone he met (well, almost)

It was Hitler's decision. Of course he didn't personally do it. This is how large organizations work. The men at the top make the risky decisions and they get the credit. If you do not agree with this, then apply it to everyone, not just Hitler.

the unification of Germany - read your history book! it was Bismarck who did that, then Versailes bit of small pieces that would have gone back anyway after al while. Certainly nothing good to credit Hitler with!
It's sad that you had to make that kind of statement. All of the arguments in this thread stand or fall independently of that kind of statement.
Actually, Bismarck did not properly unify Germany, rather he deated Austria and France and created a Prussian Empire which had severe internal divisions. Hitler achieved the union with Austria and brought all the Germans in central Europe into the 3rd Reich. The only exception was the "neutral" Swiss.

diplo coups - yes, he was a giften demagogue and negotiator. I once saw a documentation where an old Wehrmacht General recalled how he had seen hitler work himself into an artificial rage just so he`d frighten the British ambassador. But Hitler had war weary opponents and threatened war - not really GREAT coups, are they? Rather, shortsightedness and fear on the hands of his opponents!

Every statesman faced has to deal with circumstances not of his own creation. You might as well say that Hitler should not get credit for anything he did because the Big Bang was ultimately responsible. However, if we're going to start judging statesmen for their achievements, the statesman has to get some credit. After all, Hitler successfully played on that fear by encouraging it, and for a long time he got what he wanted. That is an achievement.

Now, did he do great things?????

So yes, he did do great things.

Hitler's regime was a deeply immoral one, but that has no implication on his ability as a statesman. I'm sure that you or somebody else is going to come in and point to the immoral things that the 3rd Reich did or the questionable methods Hitler used in politics. That will do you no good in this issue, it'd be more suitable for a thread on "History's most Moral or Evil leader". Great things in history are not necessarily moral things.
 
Poor Killer and Calgacus, new victims of the notorious troll Graeme the mad. :rolleyes:

(For the record, I agree with Killer on this one. :) )
 
I fear we may be getting a bit "off-topic" here, but what the hell...:)

I'm not sure how much statesmanship Hitler really did show. He was very adept at playing/preying on the weakness and fears of others (after all, his rise to power was as a result of the economic chaos of the Weimar republic's last years, and the Jews were convenient scapegoats for this), but this has as much to do with being a psychopath as being a statesman

If Germany is (and it is) economically much stronger now than it was pre-war, it has little to do with Hitler (unless you're going to give him credit for the Marshall Plan...!)

And here's another one of his legacies that no-one seems to have considered: his invasion of the Soviet Union ultimately allowed that country to (in effect) enslave a large portion of Europe

What was the best thing Hitler did for Germany? Commit suicide, probably :D
 
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