Galleon's not doing anything - just moved in. Probably won't do anything, you're right. I'll just get our new Galleon over in case I need to deal with it next turn. Forget the upgrade stuff.
SGOTM 12 - One Short Straw
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bcool
Deity
Oh I just realized we draft infantry 
Just an option if you need an nigh invincible city defender
Just an option if you need an nigh invincible city defender
Bloody hell! The Galleon took out the offshore platform and fishing boats in Yaro. I decided to double-team it with Galleon/Caravel, but lost the second battle at 95%. Stupid - shouldn't have even tried and should have upgraded last turn. Now it will be 2t before we get a Frigate, and we'll lose the Bermuda seafood most likely.
Agra is ours. Didn't lose a unit and also took out an 11-unit stack SW of the city. The city only has Granary+LH.
Edit: MinExec fails in Rheims!
Edit: MinExec fails in Rheims!
bcool
Deity
bummer about the galleon in bermuda, nice on Agra that double hills promoted musket had good odds against our cannon, perhaps makes up a bit for the galleon battles.
Mitchum
Deity
Agra is ours. Didn't lose a unit and also took out an 11-unit stack SW of the city. The city only has Granary+LH.
Edit: MinExec fails in Rheims!
Nice work on Agra.
I didn't know executives could fail. I thought we had discussed this earlier... In any event, I've never founded two corporations in the same game, so this is new to me. Executives must be like missionaries, the first one is always successful but later ones have a chance of failure.
Didn't know either - I had to do a double take. It's been a while since I've done Sushi-Mining, so don't remember. For some reason, I thought they could fail if the corps are in resource competition.
Edit: 1545 AD we lost the seafood in Bermuda. We'll probably lose the one in Bahamas next turn. Delhi should be ours next turn, so I might CF, as the southern stack is healing for a turn in Agra anyway.
Edit: 1545 AD we lost the seafood in Bermuda. We'll probably lose the one in Bahamas next turn. Delhi should be ours next turn, so I might CF, as the southern stack is healing for a turn in Agra anyway.
1550 AD Delhi is ours. No losses. LH+Harbor+Market.
Lost the seafood at Bahamas.
Indian revolt in Warwick. American revolt in Chengdu (this started a few turns ago, I forgot to mention it)
Lost the seafood at Bahamas.
Indian revolt in Warwick. American revolt in Chengdu (this started a few turns ago, I forgot to mention it)
1555 AD save uploaded. I haven't done a full sweep of units or cities, so don't bother commenting on micro stuff just yet. Had a brain fart and forgot to mine that copper in Yeka until this turn. 
Lost 3 seafood to Gandhi's galleon before taking it out. Mining Inc. failed in London this turn. That one really sucks. The southern stack in India is actually a bit thin - I wasn't thinking too hard when I split it. I'll think about how to proceed there later. I started the GA, to make planning the rest of TS a bit easier (see real numbers and all). Culture slider's an option atm, until we can CF. We can get Electricity in 5t @ 0% now.
@bcool,
Could you redo the gpp? I ran more sci in Pigs and mer in Fish than intended; slightly ahead in Paris; might be behind on Factory builds in Bahamas and Bermuda; less eng in Siberia. I think that's it.
Edit: 4:25 session time for 5t.
Edit2: Score graph is looking nice.
Lost 3 seafood to Gandhi's galleon before taking it out. Mining Inc. failed in London this turn. That one really sucks. The southern stack in India is actually a bit thin - I wasn't thinking too hard when I split it. I'll think about how to proceed there later. I started the GA, to make planning the rest of TS a bit easier (see real numbers and all). Culture slider's an option atm, until we can CF. We can get Electricity in 5t @ 0% now.@bcool,
Could you redo the gpp? I ran more sci in Pigs and mer in Fish than intended; slightly ahead in Paris; might be behind on Factory builds in Bahamas and Bermuda; less eng in Siberia. I think that's it.
Edit: 4:25 session time for 5t.
Edit2: Score graph is looking nice.
This is a really fun game to play now, btw. 
bcool
Deity
ok updated the spreadsheet
It is now necessary to match the numbers exactly almost every turn. I tried to italicize the numbers that don't matter too much.
Also if you are getting a GS, GM, GA the numbers are not fixed in stone. For example if the number is 10, you could run 5 and then 15 the next turn in most cases (unless we are getting close to a great person being born).
Several times I have a city just barely not birthing a great person so a small change could make a big difference.
We also need to reassess if a great person that is unexpected is born...
This mini game isn't that fun to play
It is now necessary to match the numbers exactly almost every turn. I tried to italicize the numbers that don't matter too much.
Also if you are getting a GS, GM, GA the numbers are not fixed in stone. For example if the number is 10, you could run 5 and then 15 the next turn in most cases (unless we are getting close to a great person being born).
Several times I have a city just barely not birthing a great person so a small change could make a big difference.
We also need to reassess if a great person that is unexpected is born...
This mini game isn't that fun to play
Mitchum
Deity
Good job so far, bbp. I'll look at the save later tonight.
@bcool
Don't forget to update the gpp from buildings since it was off when I originally created the spreadsheet.
@bcool
Don't forget to update the gpp from buildings since it was off when I originally created the spreadsheet.
bcool
Deity
I changed the building numbers including the founding of corporations. But I will double check them now.
Okay found a mistake on Fish building gpp, it was 5 should be 6. It doesn't change the number of specialists.
But here is the updated file
Okay found a mistake on Fish building gpp, it was 5 should be 6. It doesn't change the number of specialists.
But here is the updated file
Here is your Session Turn Log (1530 AD - 1540 AD):
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Here is your Session Turn Log (1545 AD - 1555 AD):
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Thanks for the update, bcool. 
I'll have a close look a bit later.
Overall stuff:
Edit:
Siberia should finish SOL on T+5.
After I adjust city micro, I'm getting about 1350 bpt @ 0%, with enough money to keep spreading corps. This is Electricity in 4t and Industrialism in 6t.
I'll have a close look a bit later.Overall stuff:
- Research path: Electricity / Industrialism / Combustion / Plastics - I think I'll play another 8-10t and should get through Elec-Ind in that period, but no further. Industrialism would actually be a good place to stop, after revealing Aluminum. We'll see how fast it goes...
- Espionage: Steal Democracy
Can someone tell me how much ep we'll need in either city? Is 1899e in Troy correct? The spy in Vlad will only have 30% stationary unfortunately, and should probably be about even to Troy next turn. We should just steal next turn for sure, rather than wait on a discount. Siberia can complete the hospital this turn with max overflow and just start on SOL. - Do we gift Roosevelt Steel and Physics to encourage Artillery? What is our schedule for Arty? I guess we're beelining Plastics ahead of Rocketry. Are we also beelining Superconductors, or is that too much? If we are gifting, perhaps we should do it right away, so he can just start next turn after Democracy?
- Gandhi: continue marching over him.
- City builds: executives and wealth building have to take precedence over infrastructure, I think. Otherwise - hammer cities get factory/hospital/coal + whatever else basic they may be missing (we nix coal plant builds once we have a timeline on Plastics and it's close to 5-6t away - this isn't my TS); Bananas is the ship-builder; cities with both corps plow through research infrastructure after forge - this is better than investing in factories, I think, as these cities have run out of tiles to work and need to hire specs almost every turn now; small cities - CH>Mining>Sushi>basic infra>forge.
- Expansion: I'll try to figure out an efficient schedule for corporate spread now. I think the goal should be complete spread by T+10 (except for India, which will only just be coming out of revolt anyway). I'll see how we can settle that 2-seafood city and hopefully more in the south. Unfortunately, I lost our one Galleon...
- I'll have to still have a look at bcool's spreadsheet. The Physics run was a bit nuts - now we need great precision here. Our top cities are running out of stuff to do with extra population, though. Do I just start hiring citizen specialists now, where we need to slow down gpp production?
Edit:
Siberia should finish SOL on T+5.
After I adjust city micro, I'm getting about 1350 bpt @ 0%, with enough money to keep spreading corps. This is Electricity in 4t and Industrialism in 6t.
bcool
Deity
This is ugly. How much do we have to do this? Let me know if it is wide spread or just a city or two that is affected.
We might be able to take a less than 100% chance on several spy/engineer/priest cities by running other specialists. But the complexity is very high.
I noticed that we have happiness issues. Maybe we want to throw in a few theater builds too and consider the cultural slider since we will likely need it after the war as well.
I would Expand into captured Gandhi cities in revolt as well if it is possible. We get the gold benefit in Fish without the maintenance costs while they are in revolt.
I think factory/coal/hospital is probably better ( and it isn't 5-6 turns to plastics it is 7-8 turns to finishing the 3 gorges dam in my opinion.
I'll look at it more closely, but it's generally likely to be an issue in mongrel cities ('cause we don't want sci/mer) and in some (like Rheims or Pigs), that may have too much food tile as opposed to workshop - this could result in over-growth under WW.
I think I mentioned the culture slider somewhere today. I would propose we start on that this turn.
I realize that and agree. I haven't worked the expansion out yet, and the logistics are tricky here and there, esp. with Sushi and lack of CHs. Also, with some of the travel distances in England and islands. So, I was just saying India has less priority than anything immediately productive (and really just guessing about the overall timeline).
You're probably right, but I think this is case-by-case. That's what I did in Siberia, as you can see. Moscow, for instance, might be better off with hospital first, as it's already capped on growth/health and needs to run a pile of specialists. Hammer City, on the other hand, might not even have an Aqueduct (too lazy to check now - I don't think it does). Anyway, we'll see where they stand at that decision point.
Yes, ofc.
Siberia should be able to do 3gd in a matter of about 4-5-6t, depending on what kind of OF we have going into it.
MINING INC.
Turn 221 - 1555
Executives
Bermuda ---> Jamaica (spread)
Builds
GP Farm (1t)
Bcool Island (2t)
Hastings (2t)
Rheims (1t)
Hammer City (1t)
Turn 222 - 1560
Executives
GP Farm ---> Cuba (next turn)
Rheims ---> Tours (spread)
Hammer City ---> Orleans (spread)
Builds
GP Farm (2t)
Bcool Island (1t)
Hastings (1t)
Haiti (2t)
Turn 223 - 1565
Executives
Cuba (spread)
Bcool Island ---> Iron Spice (spread)
Hastings ---> London (spread) - may need some railroad
Builds
GP Farm (1t)
Haiti (1t)
Bermuda (1t)
Hastings (2t)
Beijing (2t)
Turn 224 - 1570
Executives
GP Farm ---> Rostov (spread)
Haiti ---> The Crabbes (spread)
Bermuda --->Yaroslavl' (next turn) - need galley
Builds
Hastings (1t)
Beijing (1t)
Shanghai (2t)
GP Farm (2t)
Turn 225 - 1575
Executives
Yaroslavl' (spread)
Beijing ---> Chengdu (spread)
Hastings ---> Canterbury (spread)
Builds
GP Farm (1t)
Shanghai (1t)
The Crabbes (2t)
Canterbury (2t)
Turn 226 - 1580
Executives
Shanghai ---> Guangzhou (spread)
GP Farm ---> load galleon for new city west of Stalin - somehow, need to figure this out
Builds
Hastings (1t) - intended for York
The Crabbes (1t) - intended for Yekaterinburg
Canterbury (1t) - intended for Mitchum's Oasis or Newcastle
Gaungzhou (2t) - intended for India - drop galley back by now
Beijing or Shanghai (2t) - intended for India
Turn 221 - 1555
Executives
Bermuda ---> Jamaica (spread)
Builds
GP Farm (1t)
Bcool Island (2t)
Hastings (2t)
Rheims (1t)
Hammer City (1t)
Turn 222 - 1560
Executives
GP Farm ---> Cuba (next turn)
Rheims ---> Tours (spread)
Hammer City ---> Orleans (spread)
Builds
GP Farm (2t)
Bcool Island (1t)
Hastings (1t)
Haiti (2t)
Turn 223 - 1565
Executives
Cuba (spread)
Bcool Island ---> Iron Spice (spread)
Hastings ---> London (spread) - may need some railroad
Builds
GP Farm (1t)
Haiti (1t)
Bermuda (1t)
Hastings (2t)
Beijing (2t)
Turn 224 - 1570
Executives
GP Farm ---> Rostov (spread)
Haiti ---> The Crabbes (spread)
Bermuda --->Yaroslavl' (next turn) - need galley
Builds
Hastings (1t)
Beijing (1t)
Shanghai (2t)
GP Farm (2t)
Turn 225 - 1575
Executives
Yaroslavl' (spread)
Beijing ---> Chengdu (spread)
Hastings ---> Canterbury (spread)
Builds
GP Farm (1t)
Shanghai (1t)
The Crabbes (2t)
Canterbury (2t)
Turn 226 - 1580
Executives
Shanghai ---> Guangzhou (spread)
GP Farm ---> load galleon for new city west of Stalin - somehow, need to figure this out
Builds
Hastings (1t) - intended for York
The Crabbes (1t) - intended for Yekaterinburg
Canterbury (1t) - intended for Mitchum's Oasis or Newcastle
Gaungzhou (2t) - intended for India - drop galley back by now
Beijing or Shanghai (2t) - intended for India
Sushi is slightly less urgent. Basically:
Bahamas/Bermuda will take care of Jamaica and Yaro;
Bcool/Haiti will do Iron Spice and Yeka
west England is gonna be a touch slow, but that's fine.
Bahamas/Bermuda will take care of Jamaica and Yaro;
Bcool/Haiti will do Iron Spice and Yeka
west England is gonna be a touch slow, but that's fine.
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