Simpsons Mafia (Game Thread)

There is a 50% chance they could be beneficial to town... but there is also a 50% chance they could be dangerous for town... releasing them just gives us an opportunity to reveal which side of that 50% is real. Schrodinger's cat.

but it's not going to be 50%. it's probably like 75%. you're being scummy saying that. taking a random name is more likely to get a townie than mafia. you know that!

now, since there is even a release people from jail function, people had to begin in there otherwise we would send everybody to jail and never release anyone that didn't come up as pure town; there'd be no reason to hospitalize anyone ever, in most cases. Jail would be by far the optimal strategy.

but with 3 people beginning in jail we could be missing out on some more important people; and it's not necessarily entirely terrible for the players, as they may have a way out (at least 1 did).

since bsmith made no mention of this when he was in jail (i.e. "release other people, I'm going to get free day 3!") it leads me to believe either only bsmith had it or its dependent on something else. Or there is just a chance someone gets out of jail due to the police being incompetent and overcrowding.

anyways, tl;dr don't release BigTin. A double voter isn't going to help us at all, while maybe one of the other two will. We need to release somebody today, and I don't care if it is just snake or something-- we don't want to waste a day again.

The goal is to have people made verifiable claims. BigTin was a waste of time yesterday since we already had his verifiable claim out in public, and now we have to go through the same process with visorslash. That is, assuming people have abilities or items or something this game, which I think people may have in limited sets.

So you know what; unvote landlubber; hospitalize paulwhoisaghost
 
I agree that we need to release someone, so I'll change my vote to TLD, release: Jarrema since that is currently the only other vote for someone other than BigTin, an we all need to work together on this. I also don't really care which of the two we let out first.

As for why I didn't mention anything – it is never a good idea to telegraph your plans to escape...
 
vote: Abstain

no to Prop 24/B]
 
Your post is really contradictory and confusing... so I'm gonna break it down Barney style and show you how exactly you aren't making any sense.

but it's not going to be 50%. it's probably like 75%. you're being scummy saying that. taking a random name is more likely to get a townie than mafia. you know that!

No, you're doing the math wrong. Each player, isolated to themselves with a clean slate, has 50% chance of being beneficial to town and 50% being hazardous to town. In the grand scheme of all players involved in the game, a random player is more likely to be town than scum... I admit that. But since these players are being looked at on an individual basis you aren't grabbing one player out of a pool of 33... you are grabbing one out of one... As I said, with all the information we have about TLD or Jarrema, they each have a 50/50 chance of being scum.

In otherwords, if I had 33 boxes and I told you that 4 of those boxes had a ball in it, you would have a 1 in 8.25 chance of selecting a box with a ball in it. However, if you were only presented with one box, there would be a 50/50 chance that the box would have a ball in it.

now, since there is even a release people from jail function, people had to begin in there otherwise we would send everybody to jail and never release anyone that didn't come up as pure town; there'd be no reason to hospitalize anyone ever, in most cases. Jail would be by far the optimal strategy.



But because people did start of in jail, it's not the optimal strategy to send people there? Instead we should send everyone to the Hospital?



but with 3 people beginning in jail we could be missing out on some more important people; and it's not necessarily entirely terrible for the players, as they may have a way out (at least 1 did).

since bsmith made no mention of this when he was in jail (i.e. "release other people, I'm going to get free day 3!") it leads me to believe either only bsmith had it or its dependent on something else. Or there is just a chance someone gets out of jail due to the police being incompetent and overcrowding.



So you think BSmith has some sort of way of escaping from jail. Okay... but you also think only he had it? Is it not possible that his release was the effect of an item? And since people in jail have no items, that would mean that someone not in jail used the item to free him? Or do you know something that I do not?




anyways, tl;dr don't release BigTin. A double voter isn't going to help us at all, while maybe one of the other two will. We need to release somebody today, and I don't care if it is just snake or something-- we don't want to waste a day again.


You lost me on the snake thing....



The goal is to have people made verifiable claims. BigTin was a waste of time yesterday since we already had his verifiable claim out in public, and now we have to go through the same process with visorslash. That is, assuming people have abilities or items or something this game, which I think people may have in limited sets.

So you know what; []unvote landlubber; hospitalize paulwhoisaghost[/]

So wait... you suggest that visorslash has a verifiable claim on the table... but he doesn't he falsely counterclaimed BigTin. But lets say that he did... wouldn't the way to verify his claim be to jail him and get his info? But instead you want to hospitalize me.... Which begs the question of why you are trying to send me straight to the hospital after stressing the importance of using the jail to verify people's claims or identify their alignments?
 
I would suggest you eejits jail, not hospitalise me. Oh, and while we're at it, would you guys consider the Stonecutters to be cult?
 
why to make you have a definitive claim, ofc! Threat of death is more damaging than jail.

snake is also just the jailbird character on the simpsons; I wouldn't expect him to be "mafia."

I should just say I don't expect anyone in jail to be mafia related (Whether that is with fat tony and the mafia, or shelbyvillians, or whatever flavor the mafia families are in this game); but it is very well possible one of them will kind of act as a anti-town force (but imo likely to be a character off by himself, like snake would be).

And I wouldn't mind if that happened, since releasing bigtin doesn't really give any advantage. There are people I know definitively as town, I know myself as town, and there is no reason releasing a "double-voter" would provide any benefit to the town as a whole. I'd rather take a chance of releasing a protector or a scanner or something wrongly jailed (or even a character like snake, who we could direct to act as a vigilante for us) than releasing a "known" generic townie.

If he is not a double voter I would consider otherwise, but that's not a critical ability at this time imo.
 
oh also, I mean, jail is still optimal I suppose. Just I'd like to see pressure being in the form of hospitalization, then changing those votes to jailing votes.

but that depends on people being active enough to either a) make the pressure effective (pressuring an inactive doesn't really help, as he won't come to defend himself to avoid hospitalization)

or b) show up to change their votes to jail votes in time
 
I would suggest you eejits jail, not hospitalise me. Oh, and while we're at it, would you guys consider the Stonecutters to be cult?

This sounds like a breadcrumb/claim of knowledge/hint of some kind...

Whats with all these half claims and pussyfooting? If you have something to say, then say it.
 
no on this proposition
So Bsmith was probably the scum among us jailants, I already thought that they's have an ability to break out, it would have been unbalanced otherwise.

Lynch him.
Why didn't you warn us before, Mr. Jailant?
The standard assumption would be a protector.
Or inactive mafia, which would make the game pointless.
Please, release me!

My argument is kind of OOC:
It REALLy sucks to play this game from jail. Show some humanity and let me play
So, we're to free ye for the lulz, matey?
I agree that we need to release someone, so I'll change my vote to TLD, release: Jarrema since that is currently the only other vote for someone other than BigTin, an we all need to work together on this. I also don't really care which of the two we let out first.

As for why I didn't mention anything – it is never a good idea to telegraph your plans to escape...
Right… so you escape, and want others to help your partner escape? hospitalise: BSmith1068
 
why to make you have a definitive claim, ofc! Threat of death is more damaging than jail.

snake is also just the jailbird character on the simpsons; I wouldn't expect him to be "mafia."

I should just say I don't expect anyone in jail to be mafia related (Whether that is with fat tony and the mafia, or shelbyvillians, or whatever flavor the mafia families are in this game); but it is very well possible one of them will kind of act as a anti-town force (but imo likely to be a character off by himself, like snake would be).

And I wouldn't mind if that happened, since releasing bigtin doesn't really give any advantage. There are people I know definitively as town, I know myself as town, and there is no reason releasing a "double-voter" would provide any benefit to the town as a whole. I'd rather take a chance of releasing a protector or a scanner or something wrongly jailed (or even a character like snake, who we could direct to act as a vigilante for us) than releasing a "known" generic townie.

If he is not a double voter I would consider otherwise, but that's not a critical ability at this time imo.


This post makes even less sense....

1. I have already made a definitive claim... I'm Neutral... and I'm "bulletproof" as it has been put.

2. In the same paragraph you say that you don't expect anyone in jail to be linked to the mafia, then say that it's possible one of them is an anti-town force. Since I doubt you can just read your own VC and get this info, go to the rules thread and read the town VC. (I had to, I don't have this info in my role PM) It says eliminate all threats to town. So mafia or "anti-town force" are one and the same as far as town is concerned.

3. How can you sit here and say that a confirmed townie double voter would do town no good? We would know his intentions were purely town and he would have two votes... how is that not a good thing? You've got two in the hand and are hoping there is one in the bush?

4. How in the hell would you know that "Snake" is a vig? You make a huge assumption that if we release "Snake" (Which of the 2 in jail is Snake? I certainly don't know...) that we could use him as a town directed vig. BTW, a town directed vig is stupid. Making it public knowledge who the vig is going to kill prior to the kill is ridiculous. It opens up all sorts of dilemmas and makes the vig unaccountable for his/her actions. Scum could protect/redirect/swap/block the kill if they who the target is going to be ahead of time.
 
oh also, I mean, jail is still optimal I suppose. Just I'd like to see pressure being in the form of hospitalization, then changing those votes to jailing votes.

but that depends on people being active enough to either a) make the pressure effective (pressuring an inactive doesn't really help, as he won't come to defend himself to avoid hospitalization)

or b) show up to change their votes to jail votes in time

Who are you wanting to pressure? I mean... to me it would be more pressure to scum to threaten to jail them... they don't want town to have the alignment info if they are killed.... where as a townie does want to be jailed if they are going to be killed.... for one thing it confirms they are town, for another it provides them a means of getting back into the game.

So unless you are wanting to pressure town into claiming... then hospital makes no sense. The only way hospital makes sense to me is if we have a verified scum/hostile 3rd party on our hand that we want to get rid of for good.
 
Players, answer my question, and then I'll tell you the info if it's necessary.

What's the point... anyone with half a brain already knows what you are attempting to keep secret. You either are a member of, or have knowledge of, a secret group (i.e. masons, cult, etc...)
 
[]Unvote; Jail: PaulwhotalkstoomuchWIFOM[/]

lol... I don't talk too much WiFoM... the WiFoM is already there... I just point out to everyone that's it's there so that they don't fall victim to it. The only successful answer to a WiFoM dilemma is to not drink at all.
 
Guys, the people in jail are most likely sumbags (eg, the guy with a snake tatto) or worse (eg, Sideshow Bob). If he really is innocent as he says, then he wouldn't mind another round in jail to prove it. Jail: BSmith

We shoul release BigTin cos he is innocent.

No to Proposition 24.

RNG says GamezRule should have some beer.
 
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