Frontier Justice [Game Thread]

I have a special place in my heart for Kennigit. A very special, very dark, very secret and scary place.

Kennigit said:

My vote was meaningless, all it did was allow you to make a choice (if you were present) on literally anyone in the game.

it would have been 6-6 tie if you unvoted. Without an additional vote on joank, it'd be pointless for you to unvote unless intending to lynch kingmorgan.

And it still allowed literally anyone who was voting for joank to unvote and vote kingmorgan if they preferred that. (7-6 flips to 6-7). Only the hat bearer can literally plan to lynch anyone though.

My vote empowered you. and did nothing to change the desires of every person voting.

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Why do you trust Tak so much as to empower him thusly?

Al Sipsclar said:

Well, you know, I'm yet to see when someone says, "Gee, Al, that's some genuine post you got there!" Never happened to me yet. Only scum tells me I'm townie.



I did think their interaction was stretched. Arakhor was really non-committing, like NSP3. Spaceman's behavior like today got him lynched in other games on D1. I'm less sure know, but I see your point.

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and I was town most of the times I was lynched D1 so... not sure what your point is

Al Sipsclar said:

I did think their interaction was stretched. Arakhor was really non-committing, like NSP3.

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I was also non-committal in Aspiring Rappers until the final day, but I was definitely town there. You may have noticed a pattern - if I'm unsure as to the long-term consequences of my actions, I'm non-committal.

Why trust anyone with the hat?

We directly had at least two people say "golly gee too late to change the lynch"--partly due to time zones and people sleeping and such--when literally anybody can get lynched if we want to

I don't like it when a man feels trapped like a cow out for slaughter. Heck the cow dont like it either but them bureaucrats in Eastville said it was more "humane" to have 'em march to their death than put 'em down out in the field

Kennigit said:

Why trust anyone with the hat?
Well someone is going to get it no matter what, so not trusting anyone with it isn't an option in the first place
We directly had at least two people say "golly gee too late to change the lynch"--partly due to time zones and people sleeping and such--when literally anybody can get lynched if we want to

I don't like it when a man feels trapped like a cow out for slaughter. Heck the cow dont like it either but them bureaucrats in Eastville said it was more "humane" to have 'em march to their death than put 'em down out in the field

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See, I understand what your saying, but I'm not buying what your selling. A CFD (Chinese Fire Drill) means a lot of people change their votes several hours before sunset. That's one thing. It creates a lot of information about the people who carried it out, whether a townie or a mafia gets lynched. We learn who 6 people voted for day 1, and later into the game, when we know more about who the alternatives were, we have information.

Likewise just letting the leading bandwagon roll through the gates creates a lot of information, for the same reason (we know whether 6 people voted red or blue)

What does handing the vote to tak when we don't know how he votes do? Lets say he's mafia: then he votes to lynch a random scummy/lurkish townie. A townie dies, we know nothing about tak and we know nothing about the vast majority of players who were on the three leading wagons.

Lets say he's town. He votes for someone who he thinks is scummy or lurkish. Maybe he gets lucky, in which case, congratulations, but its just as likely that he doesn't and then we're in the same situation as in the "tak is mafia case": dead townie, no info on tak and no info on the vast majority of players.

tl;dr: there's a reason why N1 vigilantism is inadvisable, and this is problematic for the same reason, except it also takes the lynch out of the hands of the majority. We good folks of westville are strong believers in mob rule!

Night 1

Golden1Knight was found dead. Cause of death: outlaw.



It is now Day 2.

Time remaining: [TIMER=3/25/2016 2:00 PM CDT; Day 2 Over][/TIMER]

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- Golden1Knight can still post.

- Takhisis has the hat.

Yeah

Interesting. I wasn't expecting an unusual suspect to die so early.

The hat isn't an approval to be a dictator

If people softly discuss alternate candidates and pool enough support to encourage the hat bearer to act, that would be all public record


If takhisis came in and lynched bsmith without saying anything and bsmith was town we would pressure the wild kitty

The majority also entirely control whether to set up a tie in the first place. I was open about my intent and willingness and there was plenty of time for anyone to act

N1 vigilante is usually a problem because the vigilante acts without it being public record and often other tiwnies are left without knowing who performed the action

Traceability is King

It looks like Goldenknight voted for SK, then changed his vote to Morgan. He wanted the hat for himself.

That.... really didn't tell us much about anything. They killed a pretty low activity poster, which makes sense but helps us little.

Golden, if you could testify, now that we know you're townie, do you have any therioes you want to share? At the very least, we know you're being honest with intent.

How's the chewin tobacco in the afterlife?

Impossible, I've been tryin' but I just can't.

I have three primary suspects so far. Arakhor, Al Sips, and Kennigit. There's also a bunch of people like King Morgan and Xym who haven't said enough for me to read them. My town reads so far are Duff and vaguely Omega

Anyway lets start with my top suspects

Arakhor:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14206802#post14206802 first post in threat is hat self-vote. nothing suspicious here. In fact I voted him the hat shortly after this.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14207147#post14207147 this was the post that pinged me. A statement that sounds like a soft accusation, as if testing the waters and seeing if people will bite.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14207209#post14207209 why yes, I do in fact bite, but not in the way you were hoping. Oh My God I Suck

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14207558#post14207558 so first Meg was too defensive, but then you defended her defensiveness. Why the change?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14207621#post14207621 says the JK wagon is "odd". Once again a very cautious post: not even really taking a position for or against the wagon

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14208277#post14208277 however this time there is a followup. Vote for King Morgan, which does match the earlier position. Of course he only joins the KM wagon AFTER its been shown to be "safe" by other people joining it, so once again an overabundance of caution is evident.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14208317#post14208317 however he does defend his vote from pressure

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14208695#post14208695 and then puts some himself on Jarrema. Better, better. I should look into Jarrema later

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14209209#post14209209 reasonable rules question. Productive, but null regarding allignment since mafia or town can voice these opinions

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14209312#post14209312 continuation of above

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14209319#post14209319 same

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14209327#post14209327 I mean, he's right there's no denying that

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14210278#post14210278 defends self from accusations similar to the ones I'm leveling now (overly cautious and non-comittal)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14210868#post14210868 speeking of cautious and non-comittal... well at least your consistent.


and speaking of cautious and non-comittal, I'm not going to decide on you until I have time to analyze Kenngit and Al Sips

You expect us to read all those links? Why don't you use multiquote?

That's basically my entire post history in this thread. Let me help you out.

spaceman98 said:

this was the post that pinged me. A statement that sounds like a soft accusation, as if testing the waters and seeing if people will bite.

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It was softly accusing, yes, because I did think it was a flinch.

why yes, I do in fact bite, but not in the way you were hoping. Oh My God I Suck

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Given that I got into trouble in Rappers for not voting a lot, I thought I'd deliberately buck the trend a bit, just because you asked.

so first Meg was too defensive, but then you defended her defensiveness. Why the change?

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In that time, she'd gone from two votes to four votes in not much time and hardly any discussion either. I wasn't really defending her as much as pointing out that this was very atypical Day One behaviour.

however this time there is a followup. Vote for King Morgan, which does match the earlier position. Of course he only joins the KM wagon AFTER its been shown to be "safe" by other people joining it, so once again an overabundance of caution is evident.

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At this point, the almost content-free waggons were getting out of control and I didn't particularly want Joan to die so early, given that I still don't know where all those ridiculous waggons came from. KM seemed like the reasonable choice at that juncture.

speeking of cautious and non-comittal... well at least your consistent.

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A leopard can only change his spots so much.

BSmith still is the one candidate who sticks out the most to me. He came on, posted a complete throwaway late in the day, and then disappeared. He's not involved in discussion and he is our best lynch.

Vote BSmith

I agree with Duff, but I'm going to hold off on actually voting until Golden testifies (or decides not to). I'm still really interested what he has to say.

You can also add Mat93, Choxorn and Xym to the list of people who only made a single post all day yesterday. Choxorn didn't even make a lynch vote, but at least hung a lampshade on his inactivity, whereas Bsmith1068 came in to place two content-free votes and then sloped out again.

I'm not in this game, Arakhor. I can't vote.

That would be why. I thought there was something fishy with the number of posters in the thread.