The Ascent of Mankind

So there I was... Civilization 5 was on my screen and a newly built city had just come into virtual existence. Pressing the Windows button, I select FireTuner and add all the population and gold necessary to the new city to test the new AMM project the SDI. Little did the virtual people of this virtual town know about projects and could not build it nor could they buy it. I Windowed out again scavenging FireTuner for the SDI building in the city tab to give the city the project for testing but to no avail. Slightly ticked I mercifully and swiftly ended the poor virtual people's lives of that game and decided to trust Firaxis in their ability to make XML tags that they themselves have not used but have made. Maximizing ModBuddy I went into the Online Services and uploaded the new AMM version. Bored yet wanting to mod, I decided to crack open the Rom modmods subforum and found it completely deserted with a fine film of dust over it from it's abandonment in anticipation of the new Civ 5 game. Going back to ModBuddy, I closed the Advanced Missiles Mod project and clicked 'New Project' and typed in the words for the project name 'The Ascent of Mankind'.

This post from here on out is to the Civilization V reincarnation of a mod idea that never made it to Civilization IV however was intended for V in the first place. Even though this is in the Civ IV forum, the Civ V anticipation thread back on the main Rise of Mankind subforum is too. Here I will be marking my progress on the ATOM project until RoM gets its own Civ V subforum. After all, it will still be a Rom modmod.

Keep in mind this is a backburner project until AMM is closer to finishing along with some real technology outlines for the next RoM iteration. In addition to this I will be helping RoM achieve its need for custom models/art.
 
I'm also thinking about revamping some of the more non-specific techs that generally has no right to be a technology. More specifically some of the transhuman/galactic era techs that are a verb/action. Here is the modified list:

Spoiler :

Ancient Era
- Mysticism
--- Sun (RS)
--- Moon (RS)

- Stargazing
--- Stargazer's Hut
--- Visible Planets (RS)
--- Brightest Stars (RS)
--- Comets (RS)

Classical Era
- Calendar
--- Solar Cycles (RS)
--- Lunar Cycles (RS)

- Astrology
--- Astrologer's Hut
--- Star Constellations (RS)
--- Visible Planet Cycles (RS)
--- Comet Cycles (RS)

Renaissance
- Astronomy
--- Observatory [Already In Game]
--- Other Solar System Planets (RS with Observatory)
--- Asteroid Belt (RS with Observatory)
--- Nearest Galaxies (RS with Observatory)
--- Sunspots (RS with Observatory)
--- Lunar Topography (RS with Observatory)
--- Terrestrial Planet Topography (RS with Observatory)
--- Gas Giant Moons (RS with Observatory)

Industrial Era
- Radio Astronomy
--- Radio Telescope
--- Pulsars & Quasars (RS with Radio Telescope)

- Rocketry

Modern Era
- Advanced Rocketry

- Satellites
--- Military Satellites [Already in Game]

- Astronautics (Civ V new)
--- Lunar Rover Rocket

- Astro-Environmental Systems (Replaced Lunar Exploration)
--- Apollo Space Program [Already in Game] (will become a project without a victory)
--- LCROSS mission(tells how much water is on moon for future colony's maintenance)

- Space Flight
--- Planetary Rover Rocket
--- Communications Satellites [Already in Game]
--- Hubble Space Telescope [Already in Game]
--- Planetary Satellites

- Space Stations
--- International Space Station [Already in Game]
--- Space Elevator [Already in Game]
--- Space Laboratory [Already in Game]
--- Replace ISS project with ISS colony (future reference)

- Ion Propulsion
--- PTF (Propulsion Testing Facility)
--- IP Rocket
--- Deep Space Research Institute [Already in Game]

Trans-Human Era
- Orbital Flight
--- Orbital Bomber [Already in Game]
--- Orbital Fighter [Already in Game]
--- Aerospace Complex [Already in Game]

- Orbital Megastructures (To Replace Space Colonization, merged with Orbital Tourism)
--- Orbital Factory [Already in Game]
--- Orbital Hotel [Already in Game]
--- Orbital Tourist Shuttle
--- Zero G Sports Arena [Already in Game](Moved here instead)

- Advanced Astro-Environmental Systems (Replaced Lunar Colonization)
--- Lunar Settler
--- Lunar Colony Communications
--- Lunar Base
--- Lunar Laboratory
--- Mission to Mars (TP)

-Astro-Geology
--- Astro-Geology Laboratory
--- Detailed Planetary Topography RS

- Lunar Trade
--- Lunar Hotel
--- Lunar Spaceport

Galactic Era
--Lunar Megastructures (Replaced Lunar Manufacturing)
--- Lunar Factory
--- Lunar Starship Factory
--- Planetary Robot Rovers

- Astro-Extraction (Replaced Asteroid Mining)
--- Astroidal Imports Co. (Currently not possible in Civ V)
--- AMFMRS (Asteroid Mining Facility Moon Resource Shuttle)
--- Asteroid Mine

- Astrobiology
--- Astrobiology Laboratory
--- Search for Life on other World (TP)

- Solar Propulsion
--- Interplanetary Solar Cruiser
--- Cheaper Inner Solar System maintenance
--- Mars Colony MRS (Moon Resource Shuttle)
--- Planetary Bases

- Photonic Satellites
--- Planetary Colony Communications
--- Planetary Laboratory

- Planetary Trade
--- Planetary Hotel
--- Planetary Spaceport
--- Martian Imports Co.
--- Martian Space Freighter

- Extraterrestrial Agriculture
--- Agrodome

- Planetary Extraction
--- Planetary Extraction Moon Resource Shuttle

- Planetary Megastructures
--- Planetary Megastructure Moon Resource Shuttle
--- Planetary Factory

- Colony Arcology
--- Mission to Europa
--- Colony Arcology

- Planetary Terraforming
--- Mission to Venus
--- Terraforming Platform Moon Resource Shuttle
--- Atmosphere Pump
--- Terraforming Nanobots

- Astroecology
--- Alien Zoo
--- Wildlife Planet (Can make an entire planet to become a wildlife preserve).
--- Alien Safari Tour
--- Alien Laboratory

- Mass Driver Launcher
--- Railgun Cargo Launcher

- Interplanetary RR Defenses
--- Railgun Rocket
--- Space Sentinels

- Magnetic Sails
--- Interplanetary Magnetic Cruiser
--- Cheaper Solar System Maintenance

- Nuclear Pulse Propulsion
--- Interplanetary Express Rocket MRS
--- Deep Space Probe
--- Deep Space Rover

- Launch Arcology
--- Launch Arcology

- Attometer Engineering
---UVB Manufacturing Plant
---(Dyson Sphere will be a colony project)

- Atomization Field
---Atomizing Box(WW)
---Atomized Fusion Plant

- Teleportation
--- First Atomized Animal(TP)
--- Decentralized Teleporters
--- Lunar Teleport (Moon Resource Shuttles Obsolete)

- VASIMR Propulsion
--- Seedship (Can Colonize Entire Planet at Once)

- Weaponized Disintegration
--- AIPD (Atomizing InterPlanetary Defenses)

- Planetary Engineering
--- Arcology Planet

- Species Uplifting
--- Monolith
--- Alien Embassy

- Interstellar Trade
--- Alpha Centauri Imports Co.
--- Alpha Centari Space Freighter

- Artificial Planets
--- Artificial Moon
--- Artificial Auxiliary Planet
--- Artificial Gas Giant

- Interstellar Colonization
--- Generation Ship

- Astroanthropology
--- Galactic Cantina
--- Museum of Humanity

- Advanced Seedships
--- Mega Seedship (Can Colonize Entire Solar Systems)

- ACNP Propulsion
--- Cheaper Interstellar maintenance

- Artificial Stars
--- Artificial Yellow Dwarf Star
--- Artificial Red Dwarf Star
--- Artificial Red Giant Star
--- Artificial Blue Giant Star
--- Artificial White Dwarf Star
--- Artificial Brown Dwarf Star
--- Artificial Neutron Star
--- Artificial Pulsar
--- Artificial Supergiant Star

- Weaponized Antimatter
--- Planetary Shield Satellites

- Antimatter Rocket
--- Galactic Sector Probe

- Singularity Stabilization
--- First Artificial Blackhole(PP)

- Trans-tangible Neutrino Accelerators
--- First Near-Light Speed Probe(TP)
--- Black Hole Probe(there will be a similar unit for colonies to build too)

- Wormhole Communications
--- Interstellar Communications Satellite

- Wormhole Traversal
--- First Animal through a Wormhole
--- Cheaper Galactic Maintenance

- Galactic Federation
--- Galactic Code WP
--- Federation of Planets WW (United Nations for Space)

- Time Travel
--- Temporal Construction Co. (instant build times for insane maintenance)

- Folding Space
--- Cheaper Galactic Maintenance

- Space Creasing
--- Cheaper Galactic Maintenance

- Megastrong Alloys
--- (need to replace current Space Victory Shuttle with this)

- Transverse Euclidean Geometry
--- First Four Dimensional Animal(TP)
--- 4D Melee Unit(s)(shot projectiles won't be able to toggle dimensional plane in which it exists to physically damage 3D objects)

-Dual-flux Quantum Temporal Rift
--- Quantum Temporal Rift Inducer(WW)
--- Omni-Chronology Laboratory (NW)
--- Temporal Suspension Animator Factory
--- Temporally Suspended Droid

- Endogenous Euclidean Propulsion
--- 4D UAVs
--- 4D USVs (Unmanned Spacial Vehicles)

- Euclidean 5-Space Geometry
--- 5D Artifical Gravity

- Analyze Strings (repeatable)
--- Ascension Event
--- Replaces "Future Tech" tech
--- Gives same effects as "Future Tech"
 
Hydromancerx said:
Sorry if I sound lazy but could you list which ones you took out and changed so I can update the list. Alternatively if you want to save time you could always just copy my mega list and do the changes yourself since they are in alphabetic order. Note that I did include the suggestions techs that iontom posted too.
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Sure thing. My modified techs list, the modded techs are in italics. You can pretty much just go to quote then copy paste that into your post on the other thread over Modern - Galactic Era.

Modern Era
Spoiler :

3D Modeling (RoM)
Applied Economics (RoM)
Advanced Ballistics (Civ5)
Advanced Rocketry (RoM)
Aerodynamics (RoM)
Astro-Environmental Systems (Replaces Lunar Exploration) (AToM)
Astrogeology (AToM)
Astronautics (AToM)
Atomic Theory (Civ5)
Biological Warfare (RoM)
CCD Photography (AToM)
Climate Models (AND)
Communication Networks (RoM)
Composites (RoM)
Computer Networks (RoM)
Computers (Civ5, RoM)
Dieselpunk Engineering (New)
Ecology (Civ5, RoM)
Extreme Sports (AND)
Fiber Optics (RoM)
Fire Suppression (HAND)
Fuel Cells (RoM)
Gene Manipulation (RoM)
Genetics (RoM)
Geothermal Power (New)
Globalization (Civ5, RoM)
Guided Weapons (RoM)
Ion Propulsion (AToM)
Jet Propulsion (RoM)
Knowledge Management (RoM)
Lasers (Civ5, RoM)
Legalized Gambling (RoM)
Magnetic Levitation (RoM)
Manufacturing (RoM)
Mass Media (Civ5, RoM)
Microprocessor (RoM)
Modern Cosmology (AToM)
Modern Health Care (RoM)
Modern Seismology (RoM)
Modern Sports (AND)
Modern Warfare (RoM)
Motor Sports (AND)
Naval Aviation (RoM)
Neural Networks (RoM)
Nuclear Power (RoM)
Radar (Civ5, RoM)
Nanotechnology (Civ5, RoM)
Recycling (RoM)
Robotics (Civ5, RoM)
Robotic Sky Surveys (AToM)
Satellites (Civ5, RoM)
Semiconductors (RoM)
Solar Power (New)
Space Flight (RoM)
Space Stations (RoM)
Space Tourism (RoM)
Stealth (Civ5, RoM)
Superconductors (RoM)
Supersonic Flight (RoM)
Superstring Theory (RoM)
Tourism (RoM)
Unmanned Air Vehicles (RoM)
Vertical Flight (RoM)
Virtual Reality (RoM)


Trans-Human Era
Spoiler :

Advanced Astro-Environmental Systems (Replaces Lunar Colonization[Replaces Space Colonies]) (AToM)
Advanced Computers (RoM)
Advanced Shielding (RoM)
Advanced Warmachines (RoM)
Androids (RoM)
Anti-Aging Medicine (RoM)
Aquaculture (RoM)
Artificial Evolution (RoM)
Artificial Intelligence (RoM)
Artificial Life (RoM)
Automatic Traffic (RoM)
Biofuels (RoM)
Biomimetrics (RoM)
Bionics (RoM)
Brain Machine Interface (RoM)
Cloning (RoM)
Cognitive Robotics (RoM)
Conglomerates (RoM)
Controlled Plasma (RoM)
Cryogenics (RoM)
Cybernetics (RoM)
Cyberpunk Engineering (New)
DNA Computing (RoM)
Ecological Engineering (RoM)
Environmental Economics (RoM)
Homo Superior (RoM)
Hydroponics (RoM)
Hypersonic Flight (RoM)
Invisibility (RoM)
Lunar Trade (Replaced Lunar Tourism) (AToM)
Megastructure Engineering (RoM)
Mesh Networks (RoM)
Metamaterials (RoM)
Micromechanics (RoM)
Military Robotics (RoM)
Mind Uploading (RoM)
Nanobotics (RoM)
Nanoelectronics (RoM)
Nanomining (RoM)
Nuclear Fusion (Civ5, RoM)
Optronics (AToM, New)
Orbital Flight (RoM)
Orbital Megastructures (Replaces Orbital Manufacturing, Merged with Orbital Tourism (RoM)) (AToM)
Organic Cities (RoM)
Particle Physics (Civ5)
Personal Robotics (RoM)
Planetary Economics (RoM)
Plastic Electronics (RoM)
Powered Exoskeleton (RoM)
Quantum Computing (RoM)
Quantum Teleportation (RoM)
Railgun (RoM)
Rapid Prototyping (RoM)
Regenerative Medicine (RoM)
Replacement Organs (RoM)
Sentient Earth (RoM)
Shielding (RoM)
Skyroads (RoM)
Smart Drugs (RoM)
Smart Dust (RoM)
Superstrong Alloys (RoM)
Terra Computer (RoM)
Thought Scanning (RoM)
Vertical Farming (RoM)
Warmachines (RoM)
Wearable Computers (RoM)
Weather Control (RoM)
Wireless Electricity (RoM)


Galactic Era
Spoiler :

ACNP Propulsion (AToM)
Advanced Seedships (AToM)
Analyze Strings (AToM) [Replaces Future Tech]
Antimatter Rocketry (AToM)
Artificial Planets (AToM)
Artificial Stars (AToM)
Asteroid Extraction (Replaced Asteroid Mining (AToM)
Astroanthropology (AToM)
Astrobiology (AToM)
Astroecology (AToM)
Atomization Field (AToM)
Attometer Engineering (AToM)
Colony Arcology (AToM)
Deep Space Probes (AToM)
Dual-Flux Quantum Temporal Rift (AToM)
Endogenous Euclidean Propulsion (AToM)
Extraterrestrial Agriculture (AToM)
Euclidean 5-Space Geometry (AToM)
Folding Space (AToM)
Galactic Federation (AToM)
Interstellar Colonization (AToM)
Interstellar Trade (AToM)
Launch Arcology (AToM)
Lunar Megastructures (Replaced Lunar Manufacturing) (AToM)
Mass Driver Launcher (AToM)
Magnetic Sails (AToM)
Megastrong Alloys (Replaced Galactic Core Exploration) (AToM)
Neutrinic Satellites (Replaced Intrastellar Communications) (AToM)
Nuclear Pulse Propulsion (AToM)
Planetary Colonization (AToM)
Planetary Exploration (AToM)
Planetary Extraction (Replaced Planetary Mining) (AToM)
Planetary Megastructures (Replaced Planetary Manufacturing)(AToM)
Planetary Terraforming (AToM)
Planetary Tourism (AToM)
Planetary Trade (Replaced Intrastellar Trade) (AToM)
Planet Engineering (AToM)
Singularity Stabilization (AToM)
Solar Ordnance (Replaced Interplanetary RR Defenses)(AToM)
Solar Propulsion (AToM)
Space Creasing (AToM)
Species Uplifting (AToM)
Teleportation (RoM)
Time Travel (AToM)
Trans-Tangible Neutrino Accelerators (AToM)
Transverse Euclidean Geometry (AToM)
VASIMR Propulsion (AToM)
Weaponized Antimatter (AToM)
Weaponized Disintegration (AToM)
Wormhole Communications (AToM)
Wormhole Traversal (AToM)
 
"Analyse Strings" is an imperative, so if you wanted to be consistent, go with "String Analysis".
 
Arakhor said:
"Analyse Strings" is an imperative, so if you wanted to be consistent, go with "String Analysis".
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As far as 'Analyze Strings' vs 'String Analysis' goes, it's rather redundant. It could go either way and doesn't matter which way, I picked the former over the latter simply because it came to mind first and saw no reason why to think twice about it.

EDIT: Now that I've pondered on this for a little bit, I see where you're coming from.
 
A minuscule tidbit of info on progress that I thought would deserve a thread bump:
I have put in a few techs to the tree and successfully put the Spacepedia on the windows options in the drop down menu. Also, I renamed the Spacepedia to Astropedia, I thought the word Astropedia flowed off the tongue and sounded better. Now I have to add the rest of the techs and implement the actual Astropedia screen outline.
 
Will ATOM ever be available for CIV IV RoM?

I hope so.

I will never play CiV until it is released Steam Free.

JosEPh
 
@ Joseph_II
I'm afraid that ATOM will be a Civ V release only.

Civ V will most likely just stay on steam the entire time. I personally haven't come across any problems with it, I see no reason why to boycott it. It's free and if you buy Civ V from your local game store, you won't have to pay steam a penny. Just sign up and register the product.
 
I think he may have issues with Steam.

I know a friend whose computer could never run steam properly due to an appaling internet connection.

He eventually got around it by installing it on another computer, but it was still a lot of extra hassle.
 
M'kay since Civ V has been nothing but disappointments in the way of Lua Callbacks/Hooks, AMM has come to a complete halt in its development. This means that I will now be turning all of my modding attention to getting this mod developed. I am currently trying to get the Astropedia (a.k.a. Spacepedia, I renamed it) to appear in game, I have the name in the screens list, I just need to work on getting the actual screen to appear. Reason for this is that Kael's guide on the new screens is a bit of a waste in the sense that his screen is only for his events. Every screen would require a few different things and in this sense I am restarting the XML part from scratch with the NotificationLogPopup.xml which is the same file that Kael used as a base to make his screen.

EDIT: Screen is working, now I just have to edit the layout... I'm thinking of refining the screen layout we had going. Instead of a list like in Civ IV, we'll have the drop down menus like in V.
 
Civ Fuehrer said:
@ Joseph_II
I'm afraid that ATOM will be a Civ V release only.

Civ V will most likely just stay on steam the entire time. I personally haven't come across any problems with it, I see no reason why to boycott it. It's free and if you buy Civ V from your local game store, you won't have to pay steam a penny. Just sign up and register the product.
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May I assume that this "Red Quote" is no longer true? :)

JosEPh
 
Well to be honest, I really don't want to wrestle with python to get the screen to show. I wrote that out of haste and anger and actually do prefer to mod for Civ V but Civ V modding seems grim however lemmy101's recent discoveries about Civ V modding really clarifies quite a few things for me.

About ATOM and RoM in general in the way of techs, I have thought of a few things after reading this article. It shows a lot of scientific breakthroughs that have been suppressed from the public eye and due to peer pressure(overly simplified term) have been named faulty off of no evidence. One Civic/Policy that could be implemented would be Interest Groups gives the civ happiness/gold in exchange for a very common event that will postpone the discovery of any tech for 1-10 turns, this would also make opposite techs be almost impossible to achieve. Also I was thinking of implementing those breakthroughs as their own techs, not only because I can but why not? I thought that these extra techs would fit in nicely with Hydro's thought of different tech branches for failure/successes.
From this article I would add:

Cold Fusion vs. Hot Fusion (As I said from Interest Groups, the more beakers you put into one, the more impossible it is to research the other)

Relativity vs. Ether

General Relativity vs. Graviton Theory

Inherent Property vs. Dimensional Oscillation(This is from the Quantum Theory section of the article. I chose Inherent Property because the Quantum Theory merely points this out and either Inherent Property can be assumed or Dimensional Oscillation(used by neutrinos) which can allow for extra-dimensional mass be converted into inter-dimensional energy using E=MC²)

Thermodynamics(general name) vs. Semiconductor Energy Recycling (again, not available at the same time)

Special Relativity vs. Superluminal Signals

Then there's also:
Force Field (combines the 'Antigravity' with the Repulsive Force Beams)(also not to be confused with the term 'Force Field' that means a shield of force around a given object, the Force Field I'm proposing is a 3 dimensional field that forces matter(combined with Attometer Engineering, this could as well lead to Atomizing))


The reason why I hadn't put Force Field versus anything is because The fact that gravity may be able to be controlled doesn't mean you understand what it is. The field generated from a rotating superconductor may be able to act upon matter like gravity, but since gravity attracts matter between each other and doesn't repel it, it can be just about anything.
 
So now that we have decided to include AToM into Prehistoric NWA I guess the first step would be figuring out how many spaces over to the right the techs need to be moved to. I need to figure it out too since the firestorm and sports mods use techs. The nice part about having all 3 of these mods together is how we can interweave them if we need to. Such as how i proposed before the science mod crossover or maybe even a prehistoric space tech such as "Stargazing" could be one.
 
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