Turn Discussion

DaveShack gets back today, so if the server is down he can reboot it in short order (hopefully, anyway)
 
None of us at Saturn can get in either. I hope if the game's put up again then we'll get sufficient time to play, as we have a fairly limited window.
 
Rule: 4.1 -- Turn Timer
Spoiler :

The PitBoss server will give each team 24 hours in which to play the save and pass it on to the next team. If a team is unable to play in time, they may post a request for an extension in the turn-tracker thread, and state the reason they believe it should be granted. AFTER the extension request and rational have been posted in the turn tracker, that team may then pause the game.
The game may remain paused up to 120 hours, at which point any team may un-pause the game so play may resume.
An official vote to “continue sooner” may be posted by any team in the turn-tracker thread. Each such vote by a team will reduce the 120 hour extension by 24 hours.


Disclaimer:
Spoiler :

Ok now I am not looking for this to be any type of dig, or flame (but logic dictates with such a precurser it could be inherently implied...but bear with me)


Ok so Let's have a look:

If a team is unable to play in time, they may post a request for an extension in the turn-tracker thread, and state the reason they believe it should be granted .AFTER the extension request and rational have been posted in the turn tracker, that team may then pause the game.


Now what to me isn't fully explained is this:

AFTER the extension request and rational have been posted in the turn tracker, that team may then pause the game.

So 2 Cases:
Case #1 is Obsolete:
Spoiler :


Based on the Time stamps the Action was:

Husch Logged in, Logged out.
Posted MS needed more time (quoted above)
Logged in, Paused, Logged out.

I 've no time to play and get some team support for this turn, so I pause the game til Tuesday (monday is holliday).
The Rational on quote #1 was 2 fold:
1. I 've no time to play.
2. ...no...get...team support for this turn

Which Would potentially be valid but:
1. owenbevt logged in. He could of played the save, thus rational #1 can't hold.
2. If the turn had cycled all the way around in 24 hours, or even 2-3 days, then yeah maybe everyone hasn't had opportunity to weigh in. But the last time the save was there was just shy of a week ago (~164hours). So any worker moves, builds, trades, etc. could be hashed out with lots of comment time.

Now the counter arguement for this: (which I hope MS says as that is all they have to do)

==> Something so drastic happened on the interturn that would warrant immediate team discussion. What could these be?

A. Barb Movement. But MS sees the barbs moves when the end thier turn, so they have also had ~a week to discuss this.
B. War. Units lost / damaged from last turn that only now are showing up.
C. Random event. (mute as you wouldn't be able to log out of the game with out a descision)


Case #2 is going to be happening:
Spoiler :

I don't have access to civ the next ~3 days, so MS request a pause.

So if you read Case #1 before, there was the possibility of the rationals that I presented

However this is now a pre-emptive pause, so it can't be something unpredictable.

As such that leaves participation level, as explicitely state in the quote, because Husch doesn't have access to Civ.
So I ask:
Spoiler :

...If a team is unable to play in time, they may post a request for an extension...

Is this an acceptable request? Can another team member not be found to play the game?

But if we go back to the rules we have a catch-22 on this pause:
...that team may then pause the game
So none of us can pause the game for MS. But if they (MS) can log in to pause it, why can't they play it?

Disclaimer 2:
Spoiler :

Yes I paused for Saturn. But that prevented a reload due to lack of time notification. In hindsight it actually gave our current war buddy more time for a reload on thier missed move ;) which they didn't ask for at the time.


As such I feel this pause request is in violation of the rules.
Fact is MS needs another turn player, slowing down the game because there is heated discussion is one thing. Slowing it down because of lack of particiaption isn't fair to the other teams.



So to me a more robust rational needs to be given here. If team participation is low, slowing down to more than 1 turn a week isn't going to help increase it. In fact we will find many teams starting to lose more players.
 
I was thinking the same thing actually. Is it not possible for MS to get one (or several) backup turn player(s)? Seriously guys, delaying the entire game due to one team member being away isn't going to help participation levels one bit. :)
 
For once, I actually agree. I think it should be perfectly fine to pause the game because you need discussion over something, but isn't the whole reason that this game has a turn timer exactly that a low-participation team shouldn't be able to hold the game up?

Do we need to go on a recruitment spree to get more people to MS?
 
Do we need to go on a recruitment spree to get more people to MS?
I think we do. If they don't have the players there's nothing much they can do.
 
I prefer PM and/or IM.
 
Yes, a line in your sig is what all the cool players do!! :D
 
Hmm, I paused the game for MS as they'd asked us to do so (well Husch did) but Memphus has unpaused it.

They are obviously having turn player problems. We can agree that this situation needs to be resolved and they can't hold up the game because of lack of participation. But I don't think punishing now is the way forward.

I think we should let them pause.
(I can't login now though, so hopefully someone can pause before turn roll)
 
Hmm, I paused the game for MS as they'd asked us to do so (well Husch did) but Memphus has unpaused it.

They are obviously having turn player problems. We can agree that this situation needs to be resolved and they can't hold up the game because of lack of participation. But I don't think punishing now is the way forward.

I think we should let them pause.
(I can't login now though, so hopefully someone can pause before turn roll)

Yes, I agree,
Kaleb said:
we should let them pause.

None of us should pause for them

MS had players around today (I pm'ed some of them telling them the situation, only to be ignored). If they couldn't get into the game (like many of our team's players) Then those players could have posted:
Sorry having connection issues please pause for MS
Or
I am on MS we have no turnplayer who can get into the game. It is our turn, please pause.

Edit:
Spoiler :
Currently MS don't seem to care enough, or have enough time to post publicly about this game, and really needs to be repopulated on a massive scale, not just one or two new additions.
 
How can you say they are around if they ignored you?

Seriously though the game should be paused until the mods(ginger ale?) decide what to do about the situation...
 
How can you say they are around if they ignored you?...

They were in the MTDG forum reading the posts (and these threads)....And in their own forum reading I don't know what because I can't see the thread titles.


Seriously though the game should be paused until the mods(ginger ale?) decide what to do about the situation...

If the mods request a reload after the turnover occurs...Dave_Shack (an MS player!) could do the reload...but if he can reload it before HUSch gets back, why can't he play the turn?

Also the mods have been around reading this, they have yet to comment. They knew it was MS's turn and they could of paused for them if they felt it was justified.
 
In this case, I could have paused it (or played in HUSch's absense), but I opened my work computer to check my meeting schedule first thing after getting out of bed (0730 MST, 1430 UTC), and from that point just plain forgot until now. RL is just too much right now to participate as much as I'd like.

I have terrible luck with picking teams. Not a single one has had high participation all the way through. :wallbash: And I can't predict when RL will slam me. :rolleyes:

Edit: GA might only know to do something if a PM was sent or a post reported. We mods don't typically read every post...

Edit2: You might ask why I can post but not play? 25 miles from the comp that has civ.
 
Pulling people from other teams wouldn't work very well since they would already know what is going on in the other teams...
 
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