SGOTM 05 - Geezers

I'll get on it by Sunday night, I promise. Anyone else want to go before me?
 
Summary 1910 AD - 1930 AD
Got a bit carried away and played another 20 turns :blush: We now know Industrialism (tanks are being built) and Communism. Revolted to Free Religion and Free Market although rather stupidly not at the same time. :blush: Currently researching Flight for gunships. Qin came along and demanded 360 :gold:. :mad: Decided to pay up. I prefer us to have control of when hostilities start rather than the AI. Both Qin & Izzy have completed Apollo. Cyrus completed a couple of thrusters and three gorges dam. :( Izzy has forgotten about our mutual struggle against Asoka and is now furious with us. :rolleyes: This may another reason why Izzy is furious with us. :lol:

Spoiler :




Spoiler Game autolog :

Turn 520/660 (1910 AD) [27-Oct-2007 13:49:09]
Karakorum grows: 12
Ning-hsia finishes: Infantry
Samarqand finishes: Harbor
Tabriz finishes: SAM Infantry
Kyoto finishes: Grocer

IBT:
State Religion Change: Asoka(India) from 'Buddhism' to 'Taoism'
State Religion Change: Isabella(Spain) from 'Judaism' to 'no State

Religion'

Attitude Change: Qin Shi Huang(China) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Cautious' to

'Annoyed'

Attitude Change: Asoka(India) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Cautious' to

'Annoyed'

Attitude Change: Saladin(Arabia) towards Asoka(India), from 'Annoyed' to

'Pleased'

Attitude Change: Isabella(Spain) towards Asoka(India), from 'Annoyed' to

'Cautious'

Attitude Change: Isabella(Spain) towards Saladin(Arabia), from 'Cautious' to

'Pleased'

Attitude Change: Cyrus(Persia) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Pleased' to

'Cautious'

Attitude Change: Cyrus(Persia) towards Qin Shi Huang(China), from 'Pleased' to

'Cautious'

Civics Change: Isabella(Spain) from 'Vassalage' to 'Free Speech'
Civics Change: Isabella(Spain) from 'Theocracy' to 'Free Religion'

Turn 521/660 (1911 AD) [27-Oct-2007 13:51:39]
Ning-hsia begins: Artillery (6 turns)
Samarqand begins: Granary (3 turns)
Tabriz begins: Destroyer (18 turns)
Kyoto begins: Factory (14 turns)
Turfan finishes: Artillery
Corinth finishes: Infantry
Yokohama grows: 11
Tiflis finishes: Infantry

IBT:

Turn 522/660 (1912 AD) [27-Oct-2007 13:58:30]
Turfan begins: Work Boat (5 turns)
Corinth begins: Artillery (13 turns)
Tiflis begins: Forge (13 turns)
Tiflis grows: 8
Kolhapur finishes: Work Boat

IBT:
Attitude Change: Isabella(Spain) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Annoyed' to

'Furious'


Turn 523/660 (1913 AD) [27-Oct-2007 14:02:44]
Kolhapur begins: Granary (6 turns)
Samarqand finishes: Granary

IBT:

Turn 524/660 (1914 AD) [27-Oct-2007 14:07:18]
Samarqand begins: SAM Infantry (15 turns)
New Sarai finishes: Infantry
Yokohama finishes: Work Boat
Osaka finishes: Infantry
Kolhapur's borders expand

IBT:

Turn 525/660 (1915 AD) [27-Oct-2007 14:12:17]
New Sarai begins: Work Boat (8 turns)
Yokohama begins: Harbor (9 turns)
Osaka begins: Artillery (13 turns)
Turfan finishes: Work Boat
Ning-hsia finishes: Artillery
Izumo's borders expand

IBT:

Turn 526/660 (1916 AD) [27-Oct-2007 14:17:08]
Turfan begins: Harbor (6 turns)
Ning-hsia begins: Infantry (5 turns)
Karakorum grows: 13
Hyderabad grows: 4

IBT:
Attitude Change: Saladin(Arabia) towards Asoka(India), from 'Pleased' to

'Cautious'

Civics Change: Asoka(India) from 'Theocracy' to 'Organized Religion'

Turn 527/660 (1917 AD) [27-Oct-2007 14:24:36]
New Sarai finishes: Work Boat

IBT:
Tech learned: Industrialism

Turn 528/660 (1918 AD) [27-Oct-2007 14:28:34]
New Sarai begins: Library (23 turns)
Research begun: Flight (20 Turns)
Hyderabad begins: Lighthouse (30 turns)
Athens finishes: SAM Infantry
New Sarai grows: 8
Tiflis grows: 9
Izumo grows: 9
Kolhapur finishes: Granary

IBT:

Turn 529/660 (1919 AD) [27-Oct-2007 14:33:16]
Athens begins: Tank (12 turns)
Kolhapur begins: Harbor (8 turns)

IBT:

Turn 530/660 (1920 AD) [27-Oct-2007 14:40:12]

IBT:
Civics Change: Temujin(Mongolia) from 'Paganism' to 'Free Religion'

Turn 531/660 (1921 AD) [27-Oct-2007 14:44:00]

IBT:

Turn 532/660 (1922 AD) [27-Oct-2007 14:45:16]
Karakorum finishes: Artillery
Turfan finishes: Harbor
Ning-hsia finishes: Infantry

IBT:

Turn 533/660 (1923 AD) [27-Oct-2007 14:46:40]
Karakorum begins: Harbor (4 turns)
Turfan begins: Tank (25 turns)
Ning-hsia begins: Tank (7 turns)
Old Sarai finishes: Infantry
Osaka grows: 11
Kyoto grows: 9

IBT:

Turn 534/660 (1924 AD) [27-Oct-2007 14:50:30]
Old Sarai begins: Tank (27 turns)
Corinth grows: 12
Kyoto finishes: Factory

IBT:
Attitude Change: Qin Shi Huang(China) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Annoyed' to

'Cautious'

Attitude Change: Isabella(Spain) towards Cyrus(Persia), from 'Cautious' to

'Pleased'

Attitude Change: Cyrus(Persia) towards Isabella(Spain), from 'Cautious' to

'Pleased'


Turn 535/660 (1925 AD) [27-Oct-2007 15:00:08]
Kyoto begins: Tank (9 turns)
Karakorum finishes: Harbor
Turfan grows: 11
Corinth finishes: Artillery
Yokohama finishes: Harbor
Samarqand's borders expand
Tiflis finishes: Forge

IBT:
Hinduism has spread: Phoenician (Spanish Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Phoenician (Persian Empire)

Turn 536/660 (1926 AD) [27-Oct-2007 15:02:04]
Karakorum begins: Tank (15 turns)
Corinth begins: Tank (14 turns)
Yokohama begins: Artillery (33 turns)
Tiflis begins: Tank (13 turns)
Ning-hsia grows: 16
Kolhapur grows: 6

IBT:
Tech learned: Communism

Turn 537/660 (1927 AD) [27-Oct-2007 15:04:33]

IBT:
Civics Change: Temujin(Mongolia) from 'Mercantilism' to 'Free Market'

Turn 538/660 (1928 AD) [27-Oct-2007 15:07:50]

IBT:
Civics Change: Qin Shi Huang(China) from 'Nationhood' to 'Vassalage'

Turn 539/660 (1929 AD) [27-Oct-2007 15:08:34]
Karakorum grows: 14
Tiflis grows: 10

IBT:
Attitude Change: Saladin(Arabia) towards Asoka(India), from 'Cautious' to

'Pleased'


Turn 540/660 (1930 AD) [27-Oct-2007 15:13:22]


Spoiler SGOTM log :

Turn 520, 1910 AD: Asoka converts to Taoism!
Turn 520, 1910 AD: Isabella adopts Free Speech!
Turn 520, 1910 AD: Isabella adopts Free Religion!

Turn 524, 1914 AD: The borders of Kolhapur have expanded!
Turn 524, 1914 AD: William T. G. Morton has been born in Kushans!
Turn 524, 1914 AD: Cyrus has completed SS Thrusters!

Turn 525, 1915 AD: The borders of Izumo have expanded!
Turn 525, 1915 AD: J. S. Bach has been born in Beijing!

Turn 526, 1916 AD: Asoka adopts Organized Religion!

Turn 527, 1917 AD: Cyrus has completed SS Thrusters!
Turn 527, 1917 AD: You have discovered Industrialism!

Turn 529, 1919 AD: Qin Shi Huang has completed Apollo Program!

Turn 530, 1920 AD: The revolution has begun!!!
Turn 530, 1920 AD: Temujin adopts Free Religion!
Turn 530, 1920 AD: Cyrus has completed SS Thrusters!
Turn 530, 1920 AD: Cyrus has completed The Three Gorges Dam!

Turn 531, 1921 AD: The anarchy is over! Your government is re-established.

Turn 532, 1922 AD: Isabella has completed Apollo Program!

Turn 535, 1925 AD: The borders of Samarqand have expanded!

Turn 536, 1926 AD: Tiflis will grow to size 10 on the next turn
Turn 536, 1926 AD: You have discovered Communism!

Turn 537, 1927 AD: The revolution has begun!!!
Turn 537, 1927 AD: Temujin adopts Free Market!
Turn 537, 1927 AD: Wang Anshi has been born in Santiago!

Turn 538, 1928 AD: The anarchy is over! Your government is re-established.
Turn 538, 1928 AD: Qin Shi Huang adopts Vassalage!

Turn 539, 1929 AD: Karakorum has grown to size 14
Turn 539, 1929 AD: Athens will grow to size 14 on the next turn
Turn 539, 1929 AD: Tiflis has grown to size 10
Turn 539, 1929 AD: Deal Canceled: Stone to Saladin for Sugar
Turn 539, 1929 AD: Isabella has completed SS Casing!

 
I'm available today. Pariah, I've got it. I'll play a turnset in the next couple of hours.
 
OK, I got in 20 turns. Summary:


  • Built a Caravel (whipped it to boot ;) ) so we could spy on Sally.
  • Mecca has 6 infantry, 8 arty, 7 cavalry, 3 Samis. Najran (his island city to our east) has only an inf and a sami.
  • He also has a pretty strong navy (destroyers and a battleship). However, we should be able to invade none-the-less. We can sit outside his cultural borders then DOW and land in one turn.
  • Building a stack in case someone wants to have at Sally. I even stripped some of the higher quality units on Cyrus' side of lush island. Face it, with his power curve, if he DOW's on us, we will lose all of those lush island cities anyhow. I did continue building units near Izzy (and left them there).
  • Our invasion force on home island is now 11 tanks, 8 inf, 2 samis, and 11 arty. Two tanks are in transit. Once the in-transits arrive, I believe we will have enough transportation for 39 units.
  • Qin DOW's on Asoka, Asoka's capital is now on an isolated island.
  • Cyrus goes to cautious because of close borders. I decide we can't really afford having him DOW, so I trade marble for GPT and gift him one of our sleeping workers. He is back to pleased.
  • We research flight, plastics, radio. Working towards Mech Inf (or Modern Armour).
  • Cyrus has Engine, Life Support, Stasis Chamber left to build.
  • Finished in 1950... and we got the "100 turns to go" message.

Spoiler :

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Turn 540/660 (1930 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:23:07]
Research begun: Plastics (11 Turns)
Research begun: Radio (11 Turns)
Research begun: Satellites (11 Turns)
Research begun: Composites (11 Turns)
Research begun: Plastics (11 Turns)
Research begun: Radio (11 Turns)
Research begun: Computers (11 Turns)
Research begun: Robotics (11 Turns)
Research begun: Flight (5 Turns)
Ning-hsia finishes: Tank
Athens grows: 14
Kolhapur finishes: Harbor
Attitude Change: Asoka(India) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Asoka(India) towards Saladin(Arabia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Isabella(Spain) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'
Attitude Change: Cyrus(Persia) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Cyrus(Persia) towards Qin Shi Huang(China), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 541/660 (1931 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:32:20]
Ning-hsia begins: Tank (6 turns)
Kolhapur begins: Caravel (15 turns)
Tank promoted: Combat I
Osaka finishes: Artillery
Samarqand finishes: SAM Infantry

Turn 542/660 (1932 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:34:42]
Osaka begins: Tank (15 turns)
Samarqand begins: Tank (17 turns)
SAM Infantry promoted: Combat II
Artillery promoted: Combat I
Artillery promoted: Barrage I
Transport promoted: Flanking I
Tabriz finishes: Destroyer
Izumo grows: 10
Hyderabad's borders expand
Tech learned: Flight

Turn 543/660 (1933 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:38:41]
Tabriz begins: Tank (16 turns)
Research begun: Plastics (7 Turns)
Research begun: Radio (7 Turns)
Research begun: Satellites (7 Turns)
Research begun: Composites (7 Turns)
Research begun: Plastics (7 Turns)
Yokohama grows: 12

Turn 544/660 (1934 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:41:00]
Beshbalik finishes: Artillery
Athens finishes: Tank
Kyoto finishes: Tank
Izumo finishes: SAM Infantry
Hyderabad grows: 5

Turn 545/660 (1935 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:41:49]
Beshbalik begins: Tank (25 turns)
Athens begins: Tank (12 turns)
Kyoto begins: Tank (10 turns)
Izumo begins: Tank (45 turns)
Tank promoted: Combat I
Artillery promoted: Barrage I
Tank promoted: Combat I
SAM Infantry promoted: Combat II
Artillery promoted: Barrage I
Artillery promoted: Barrage I
Artillery promoted: Barrage I
Artillery promoted: Barrage I
Artillery promoted: Barrage I
Galleon promoted: Flanking I
Tabriz grows: 13

Turn 546/660 (1936 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:46:13]
Infantry promoted: Medic I
Ning-hsia finishes: Tank
New Sarai grows: 9
Osaka grows: 12

Turn 547/660 (1937 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:47:17]
Ning-hsia begins: Tank (6 turns)
Tank promoted: Combat I
Tech learned: Plastics
Tiflis finishes: Tank
Kyoto grows: 8

Turn 548/660 (1938 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:48:45]
Research begun: Radio (13 Turns)
Research begun: Satellites (13 Turns)
Research begun: Composites (13 Turns)
Research begun: Radio (13 Turns)
Tiflis begins: Tank (10 turns)
Tank promoted: Combat I
New Sarai finishes: Library
Kolhapur finishes: Caravel

Turn 549/660 (1939 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:50:54]
New Sarai begins: Tank (34 turns)
Kolhapur begins: Tank (45 turns)
Attitude Change: Isabella(Spain) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Furious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 550/660 (1940 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:52:48]
Tiflis grows: 11

Turn 551/660 (1941 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:53:27]
Infantry promoted: Medic I
Infantry promoted: Combat II
Infantry promoted: Combat II
Infantry promoted: Combat II
Infantry promoted: Combat II
Ning-hsia finishes: Tank
Qin Shi Huang(China) declares war on Asoka(India)
Attitude Change: Qin Shi Huang(China) towards Asoka(India), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Asoka(India) towards Qin Shi Huang(China), from 'Cautious' to 'Furious'

Turn 552/660 (1942 AD) [27-Oct-2007 12:59:05]
Ning-hsia begins: Tank (6 turns)
Tank promoted: Combat I
Attitude Change: Isabella(Spain) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'

Turn 553/660 (1943 AD) [27-Oct-2007 13:02:16]
Turfan grows: 12
Turfan finishes: Tank
Corinth finishes: Tank
Kyoto finishes: Tank
Kolhapur grows: 6

Turn 554/660 (1944 AD) [27-Oct-2007 13:03:32]
Turfan begins: Tank (18 turns)
Corinth begins: Tank (16 turns)
Kyoto begins: Tank (9 turns)
Tank promoted: Combat I
Tank promoted: Combat I
Tank promoted: Combat I
Karakorum finishes: Tank
Tabriz grows: 14

Turn 555/660 (1945 AD) [27-Oct-2007 13:05:01]
Karakorum begins: Tank (17 turns)
Tank promoted: Combat I
Infantry promoted: Combat II
Athens finishes: Tank

Turn 556/660 (1946 AD) [27-Oct-2007 13:09:03]
Athens begins: Tank (12 turns)
Tank promoted: Combat I
Infantry promoted: Combat II
Tech learned: Radio
New Sarai grows: 10
Osaka finishes: Tank
Attitude Change: Cyrus(Persia) towards Temujin(Mongolia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 557/660 (1947 AD) [27-Oct-2007 13:10:48]
Research begun: Satellites (13 Turns)
Research begun: Composites (13 Turns)
Research begun: Satellites (13 Turns)
Research begun: Computers (16 Turns)
Research begun: Robotics (16 Turns)
Research begun: Satellites (13 Turns)
Research begun: Composites (13 Turns)
Research begun: Computers (16 Turns)
Osaka begins: Tank (15 turns)
Tank promoted: Combat I
Ning-hsia finishes: Tank
Tabriz finishes: Tank
Tiflis finishes: Tank

Turn 558/660 (1948 AD) [27-Oct-2007 13:13:17]
Ning-hsia begins: Tank (6 turns)
Tabriz begins: Tank (16 turns)
Tiflis begins: Tank (10 turns)
Tank promoted: Combat I
Tank promoted: Combat I
Tank promoted: Combat I
Transport promoted: Combat I
Karakorum grows: 15
Samarqand finishes: Tank

Turn 559/660 (1949 AD) [27-Oct-2007 13:17:24]
Samarqand begins: Tank (17 turns)
Tank promoted: Combat I
Athens grows: 15

Turn 560/660 (1950 AD) [27-Oct-2007 13:33:49]
 
The-Hawk said:
Built a Caravel

:eek: I didn't even realise we could still build caravels! I assumed that they were obsolete with frigates. :confused:
 
Looking at the Sally attack forces it looks like we can take down Mecca's defence immediately after DoW with the destroyers and frigate, attack with arty from the ships to weaken the defence and then attack from the ships with the tanks. Should be pretty devastating. :evil:
 
:eek: I didn't even realise we could still build caravels! I assumed that they were obsolete with frigates. :confused:

Yep, I got a real chuckle out of this... building a caravel instead of a destroyer. Because of the spying capability, it is a pretty useful thing to have.

I like your plan for attacking mecca! If we can kill the city on one turn (killing his navy while it is in port), our transports might even live to fight another day.
 
I think we should give serious thought to optional 20 turn turnsets in the next game. They do seem to ensure that things keep moving along nicely.
 
Who's having the next go then?

Roster:

Sam
Pariah - UP (says he'll get to it by Sunday night)
The-Hawk - just played
drhirsch - on deck
Harbourboy
AgedOne
markh (away from 25th - 31st October
 
I think we should give serious thought to optional 20 turn turnsets in the next game. They do seem to ensure that things keep moving along nicely.

:hmm: It's certainly easier to do this in the late game when the broad outlines of what to do are fairly clear although reporting can suffer as a result.

Equally perhaps we need to be a bit more ruthless at skipping team members if they don't post a 'got it' within 24 hours or submit their turnset with 72 hours. The flip side is that team members should post at an early stage if they are likely to have problems meeting the deadline rather than posting towards the end of the 72 hours.
 
Is it still sunday night where pariah lives? ;-)

Anyway, I'll check back in a few hours, and if you don't mind, I'll grab the save and play some turns.
 
Is it still sunday night where pariah lives? ;-)

Anyway, I'll check back in a few hours, and if you don't mind, I'll grab the save and play some turns.

I'm not quite sure where Pariah lives but time's a getting on. Go for it.
 
I am looking forward to the report on our Arabic campaign.:)

Actually we did quite well with 10 turns / set. We only had a very few times a delay in a "got it" or playing the turns. We just played this game much too far.
 
We took Mecca and Damascus.

We know Satellites and are resaerching Composites.

We lost all destroyers but no transports, but sunk 6 arabian destroyers and 2 battleships while capturing Mecca. We lost a couple of tanks and SAM Infantry. Saladin hast at least 15-20 gunships, a lot of them probably promoted ^^

This is the reason we made peace.

A second Invasion fleet is currently being loaded at Kyoto, this time with more SAM Infantry on board. Saladin seems to like gunships very much :-(
 
We took Mecca and Damascus Medina.

Corrected your post. :D Looks like a successful initial assault. :goodjob: I just can't believe that Cyrus snuck in a city on Sally's land. :rolleyes:

We lost all destroyers but no transports, but sunk 6 arabian destroyers and 2 battleships while capturing Mecca. We lost a couple of tanks and SAM Infantry. Saladin hast at least 15-20 gunships, a lot of them probably promoted ^^

Sigh. The AI really do go to town building lots of units don't they? And as for that wretched worker building a farm over that town next to Mecca. :cry:

EDIT: Those UN resolutions haven't exactly helped our cause either by forcing us out of slavery. :(
 
OK Geezers... what can I say? I'm a jerk. I broke my promise, let things get on top of me (metaphorically & literally) and let you all down. :( I guess you're not too happy with me, but I still say you've done really well, Sam & Drhirsch.

Now I AM about to take a turnset, and hope I can redeem myself a little. :sad:
 
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