There is a CHANCE that God exists...? What the...

FriendlyFire said:
Or a teapot orbiting an earth like planet.
However given infinte possibilities the mona lisa will be sculptured somewhere on a mountain rockface to be discovered by a sentinant species.
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Not necessarily true, that's precisely what I was arguing. Infinite and even non-repeating does not mean that all possibilities must exist.

EDIT: For that to happen you would need to add "perfectly random" to the mix. When you can define what that means, get back to me.
 
Perfection said:
Nuh uh, you could have a system of infinite multiverses where only some possibilities exist.
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If a possibility is possible--which is implied by nomenclature--in an infinite set of trials it will happen.

Take an unlikely event: P(X) = .00000....01 (Probability of X happening in a trial)
1 - P(X) = .99999....99 (Probability of X not happening in a trial)
(1 - P(X))^n -> 0 as n -> infinity (Probability of X not happening in each of n trials)
1 - (1 - P(X))^n -> 1 as n -> infinity (Probability of X happening at least once in n trials)
QED.
 
But you do not know what the probability of the event happening is. How do you calculate it? It could be zero.

EDIT: What is the probability of picking an exact real number of my choosing from the set { x : 0 <= x <= 1 } ?
 
But isn't it always up to "chance"?

I mean, it's called "faith", not "is". :P

And if there were infinite universes, anything is possible, right? At least one time, even the most unlikely event will occur. I don't see what's wrong with that.
 
So you are saying that there are 2 classes of events, those with a probability of zero and those without (which is what you have defined to be a possibility).

How do you decide which class a (theoretical) event belongs to?

EDIT: In an infinity of universes of course, both sets have infinite numbers of events within them ;) QED.

EDIT2: That makes the problem undecidable. Unless you have observed the event to have happened, in which case you know it is in the non-zero probability set.
 
This is getting rather sidetracked...
 
Not really, I just proved both sides wrong ;)

Until we observe that God in fact exists, the problem is undecidable.
 
ParadigmShifter said:
So you are saying that there are 2 classes of events, those with a probability of zero and those without (which is what you have defined to be a possibility).
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Yes.

ParadigmShifter said:
How do you decide which class a (theoretical) event belongs to?
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I guess presumably, unless the event is a logical contradiction, the probability can't be precisely zero, in which case it would be in the latter case.

Edit re your edit: Yeah... let's just stop now... :)
 
I sneakily added 2 edits to my post - explaining it a bit better.
 
mangxema said:
If a possibility is possible--which is implied by nomenclature--in an infinite set of trials it will happen.

Take an unlikely event: P(X) = .00000....01 (Probability of X happening in a trial)
1 - P(X) = .99999....99 (Probability of X not happening in a trial)
(1 - P(X))^n -> 0 as n -> infinity (Probability of X not happening in each of n trials)
1 - (1 - P(X))^n -> 1 as n -> infinity (Probability of X happening at least once in n trials)
QED.
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You assume that there is an infinite set of trials for every aspect of ths multiversal system here, which is not neccearily true. For example your multiversal system might randomly pick some consistant variable across the multiverse then move on to do an ifinite amount elaborations on that without changing it. Another variable woulda gotten different results.
 
Nylan said:
This is getting rather sidetracked...
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:lol:

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brennan said:
Supernatural entities do not exist.
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Let's ask it a bit differently: What qualities or technology does a natural being need to posess in order to be viewed by nomadic humand X-1000 years ago as a God? Star-trek technology (teleporting, forcefields etc.) meeting them would be sufficient.

For mice a cat is immortal as for generations (as long as micely known) parent-mice have warned their children-mice of the "big cat in the kitchen".
To an ant a human is omnipotent.
To a Sloth nearly everything moves so quick they are virtually invisible.
 
Well now that's an entirely different question isn't it? And the answer is 'have a horse to sit on'.

A 'sufficiently advanced technology' does not make a civilisation the God of creation.
 
brennan said:
A 'sufficiently advanced technology' does not make a civilisation the God of creation.
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Why not? What if this entire universe have been created by a sufficiently advanced civilisation? That would fit the definition.
 
So the definition of God doesn't include an 'uncaused cause' anymore? Seriously, if you are climbing down to God=Aliens then what's the point?
 
My point is that god may exist and that we are too puny to know.

And that you are way too arrogant, about our knowledge of the universe and everything realy.
 
There is as little certainty to the existence of gods as there is certainty to the inexistence of gods.
 
Azash said:
There is as little certainty to the existence of gods as there is certainty to the inexistence of gods.
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True, but specific Gods such as Zeus, Vishnu, Yahweh, or Allah can pretty much be ruled out.
 
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