The Vatican City isn't really a city, it's actually the spiritual headquarters of an organized church. Of course, that organized church could be anywhere and not necessarily in Rome, but I don't believe considering it as a "city-state" is the best way to incarnate it in a Civilization game. The Apostolic Palace, from Civ4, was probably the most accurate way to insert it in the game.
For what it is worth, I am hoping that the great "moddibility" of Civ V will make it easy to create new city-states (and civs for that matter... though the leaders may be the challenge in that part). Given that, my additions to the list would be Sparta (I know it is part of Greece, but I would like to see them as a city-state as well), Tarchuna/Tarquinia (The capital of the Etruscan peoples; a great early encounter for Romans in an earth map), and Suez (Part of Egypt, but important for the canal (like panama)).
That said, here is a list of all of what has been mentioned so far. I tried to put there "real world" locations, as well as who suggested them. Also, I put in there Types and Attitudes if given and any notes by those who suggested them. It may be easier to read if you copy and paste into an Excel spreadsheet ore something.
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City StateReal World Location Type Attitude Suggested by Notes JerusalemMiddle Eastchaotoroboto; J51; ilikepies; Ribannah; Marla Singer BeirutMiddle Eastchaotoroboto DubaiMiddle Eastchaotoroboto; ilikepies TaiwanAsiachaotoroboto Hong KongAsiachaotoroboto; ilikepies; Ribannah; Marla Singer MacauAsiachaotoroboto; Marla Singer Buenos Aireschaotoroboto Lagoschaotoroboto Nairobichaotoroboto JakartaIndonesiachaotoroboto; J51; ilikepies; Ribannah if they're not gonna be a civ - need something Javanese MalaccaEast IndiesCaeserportugal; J51 Seriously were are these guys? They should be the Malayan one, not Kuala Lumpur Chichen ItzaMexicoCaeserportugal; Ribannah Was one of the most important Mayan city-states MutalMexicoCaeserportugal Another important Mayan city-state Panama CityCentral AmericaCaeserportugal; ilikepies; Marla Singer Important because of its channel BahiaSouth AmericaCaeserportugal Was the first Portuguese city founded in Brazil BogotaSouth Americacaeserportugal; Ahriman Since we won't have a Gran Columbian civ San JuanPuerto RicoCaeserportugal the capital of Puerto Rico HonoluluHawaiiCaeserportugal Capital of Hawaii VancouverCanadaCaeserportugal TorontoCanadaCaeserportugal OttawaCanadaCaeserportugal QuebecCanadacaeserportugal; Ahriman SydneyAustraliaAhriman BarcelonaSpainAhriman AntiochAhriman TripoliNorth AfricaAhriman ValettaAhriman RhodesGreek Med Ahriman ReykjavikIcelandAhriman DhakaAhriman RangoonAhriman ZanzibarAhriman; Calouste; J51; Ribannah; Marla Singer GranadaAhriman LisbonPortugalAhriman SantiagoAhriman KinshasaAhriman AccraAhriman TyreAhriman BahrainPersian GulfAhriman AdenAhriman; Calouste; Marla Singer AucklandNew ZealandAhriman WellingtonNew ZealandAhriman AntwerpAhriman; J51 to replace the modern Euro-Nation capitals FlandersAhriman LuxembourgAhriman NavarraAhriman TroyAsia MinorCalouste; Ribannah Gdansk/DanzigPolandCalouste; brianshapiro; J51; Ribannah; Marla Singer important port city in northern Poland and member of the Hanseatic League, was fought over byGermany and Poland. Pomerania was also a target of Swedish conquest, although I believe they never went as far East as Danzig; to replace the modern Euro-Nation capitals KatowiceCalouste DjiboutiAfricaCalouste; Marla Singer KuwaitMiddle EastCalouste TangierCalouste; Marla Singer KosovoThoughtful Thug PragueEastern Europebrianshapiro Now the capital of the Czech republic, it was an important city in Bohemia and the capital for the Holy Roman Empire BratislaviaEastern Europebrianshapiro Modern capital of Slovakia, was once the capital of the Kingdom of Hungary Nicosiabrianshapiro Cyprus MeroeNubiabrianshapiro; J51 although I hope the Nubians get added later as a civ finally PessinusCretebrianshapiro city of Phrygian empire which was ruled by King Midas KnossosCretebrianshapiro; Ribannah Minoan city , I don't remember if its a Greek city in the game, I doubt it JerichoMiddle Eastbrianshapiro; Ribannah TeotihuacanMexicoJ51; Ribannah THE Ur-Central Mexican Valley state TlaxcalaMexico Military J51 Should be Military. Allied with the Spanish to defeat the Aztecs. Were never conquered by the Aztecs themselves, but were "farmed" for sacrificial victims Monte AlbanJ51 this feature was made for them MocheJ51 pre-Inca, and important ceremonial Andean centers TiwanakuJ51 pre-Inca, and important ceremonial Andean centers HuariJ51 Chan-ChanJ51 Great ZimbabweSouth AfricaJ51; Ribannah the major historical Southern African center KongoAfricaJ51 would be a great central African fit KilwaSwahiliJ51 was the major Swahili coastal city BeninJ51 I've always wanted them in some form in a Civ game ever since I saw a traveling exhibition of their art as a child OyoYoruba Military J51 the two most important Yoruba city states IfeYoruba Cultural J51; Ribannah the two most important Yoruba city states KanoAfricaJ51; Ribannah was the most important Hausa city state, and the Songhai even conquered and held it for a brief period NapataNubiaJ51 although I hope the Nubians get added later as a civ finally ByblosJ51 Why only Sidon and Tyre PalmyraJ51 even temporarily held a quarter of the Roman empire HattusaJ51 AngkorTaiwanJ51 with Siam in, I doubt that the Khmer will be added as a whole civ PaganJ51 early Burmese city-synonymous kingdom MajapahitJ51 if they're not gonna be a civ - need something Javanese ZurichJ51 to replace the modern Euro-Nation capitals GhentJ51 to replace the modern Euro-Nation capitals KievJ51; Ribannah after the collapse of Kievan Rus, functioned as a semi-city state paying tribute to various groups. KrakowPolandJ51 Instead of Warsaw. It was actualy a city-state in the 19th cent. for a while NaplesItalyJ51 RigaJ51; Ribannah CohokiaJ51 AxumEthiopiaJ51 If they're gonna be dicks and not add the Ethiopians within a year, or at all!!! BantamJ51 if they're not gonna be a civ - need something Javanese HalifaxCanadaJ51 Vatican CityItalyD712 Avignon Cultural Hostile Tusked TurkuV. Soma Abu DhabiRibannah AdelaideRibannah AkkadRibannah AthensGreeceRibannah BabylonMiddle EastRibannah BremenRibannah CahokiaRibannah CarthageNorth AfricaRibannah CologneRibannah DamascusRibannah GrenadaRibannah HamburgGermanyRibannah HochelagaRibannah KathmanduRibannah KhotanRibannah LubeckRibannah MogadishuRibannah MombasaRibannah NahaRibannah NiceRibannah NikwasiRibannah NovgorodRibannah PalenqueRibannah Port-au-PrinceRibannah SamarkandRibannah Sri KestraRibannah TiahuanacoRibannah TikalRibannah UrRibannah UrukRibannah UltrechtRibannah SienaMarla Singer PisaMarla Singer PuducherryMarla Singer GibraltarMarla Singer CuracaoMarla Singer BelizeMarla Singer BruneiMarla Singer SpartaGreece Military Hostile Thorburne I know it is part of Greece, but I would like to see them as a city-state as well Tarchuna / TarquiniaItaly Military Thorburne The capital of the Etruscan peoples; a great early encounter for Romans in an Earth map SuezEgypt Maritime Thorburne Part of Egypt, but important for the canal (like panama)
ok what city has been involved in more historical events than any other in recorded history?... crusades, holy city of 3 of the major religions of the world, oh and not to mention intense modern upheaval... Jerusalem! this is a no brainer. ill be very disappointed if it doesnt make it in. listen up firaxis... its not to late, put jerusalem in, it just doesnt make any sense not to.
No Problem! I like to organize the info into spreadsheets and such for modding purposes. I left room on the table for additional info, like the attitudes and types, to be filled in as well. I also put the "real world locations" for those who want create a Earth map and place them realisticly. I should probably add era as well... as a general time frame as to when these city-states would appear. And another element to track would probably be border color.
In any case, there is a lot of research that needs to be done in order to fill in the blanks. But I do like this list overall. I don't think it would be too hard to add them, especially given the claims of Firaxis about the moddibility of the game.
There are some in my list. I could add plenty more, like Oraibi, the oldest Hopi village.
Speaking of the Iroquois... I really Like and Understand the intention of having native north Americans in the game but really wouldn't they be better served in this case by city states instead of being a civ?
For what it is worth, I am hoping that the great "moddibility" of Civ V will make it easy to create new city-states (and civs for that matter... though the leaders may be the challenge in that part). Given that, my additions to the list would be Sparta (I know it is part of Greece, but I would like to see them as a city-state as well), Tarchuna/Tarquinia (The capital of the Etruscan peoples; a great early encounter for Romans in an earth map), and Suez (Part of Egypt, but important for the canal (like panama)).
That said, here is a list of all of what has been mentioned so far. I tried to put there "real world" locations, as well as who suggested them. Also, I put in there Types and Attitudes if given and any notes by those who suggested them. It may be easier to read if you copy and paste into an Excel spreadsheet ore something.
Spoiler:
City StateReal World Location Type Attitude Suggested by Notes JerusalemMiddle Eastchaotoroboto; J51; ilikepies; Ribannah; Marla Singer BeirutMiddle Eastchaotoroboto DubaiMiddle Eastchaotoroboto; ilikepies TaiwanAsiachaotoroboto Hong KongAsiachaotoroboto; ilikepies; Ribannah; Marla Singer MacauAsiachaotoroboto; Marla Singer Buenos Aireschaotoroboto Lagoschaotoroboto Nairobichaotoroboto JakartaIndonesiachaotoroboto; J51; ilikepies; Ribannah if they're not gonna be a civ - need something Javanese MalaccaEast IndiesCaeserportugal; J51 Seriously were are these guys? They should be the Malayan one, not Kuala Lumpur Chichen ItzaMexicoCaeserportugal; Ribannah Was one of the most important Mayan city-states MutalMexicoCaeserportugal Another important Mayan city-state Panama CityCentral AmericaCaeserportugal; ilikepies; Marla Singer Important because of its channel BahiaSouth AmericaCaeserportugal Was the first Portuguese city founded in Brazil BogotaSouth Americacaeserportugal; Ahriman Since we won't have a Gran Columbian civ San JuanPuerto RicoCaeserportugal the capital of Puerto Rico HonoluluHawaiiCaeserportugal Capital of Hawaii VancouverCanadaCaeserportugal TorontoCanadaCaeserportugal OttawaCanadaCaeserportugal QuebecCanadacaeserportugal; Ahriman SydneyAustraliaAhriman BarcelonaSpainAhriman AntiochAhriman TripoliNorth AfricaAhriman ValettaAhriman RhodesGreek Med Ahriman ReykjavikIcelandAhriman DhakaAhriman RangoonAhriman ZanzibarAhriman; Calouste; J51; Ribannah; Marla Singer GranadaAhriman LisbonPortugalAhriman SantiagoAhriman KinshasaAhriman AccraAhriman TyreAhriman BahrainPersian GulfAhriman AdenAhriman; Calouste; Marla Singer AucklandNew ZealandAhriman WellingtonNew ZealandAhriman AntwerpAhriman; J51 to replace the modern Euro-Nation capitals FlandersAhriman LuxembourgAhriman NavarraAhriman TroyAsia MinorCalouste; Ribannah Gdansk/DanzigPolandCalouste; brianshapiro; J51; Ribannah; Marla Singer important port city in northern Poland and member of the Hanseatic League, was fought over byGermany and Poland. Pomerania was also a target of Swedish conquest, although I believe they never went as far East as Danzig; to replace the modern Euro-Nation capitals KatowiceCalouste DjiboutiAfricaCalouste; Marla Singer KuwaitMiddle EastCalouste TangierCalouste; Marla Singer KosovoThoughtful Thug PragueEastern Europebrianshapiro Now the capital of the Czech republic, it was an important city in Bohemia and the capital for the Holy Roman Empire BratislaviaEastern Europebrianshapiro Modern capital of Slovakia, was once the capital of the Kingdom of Hungary Nicosiabrianshapiro Cyprus MeroeNubiabrianshapiro; J51 although I hope the Nubians get added later as a civ finally PessinusCretebrianshapiro city of Phrygian empire which was ruled by King Midas KnossosCretebrianshapiro; Ribannah Minoan city , I don't remember if its a Greek city in the game, I doubt it JerichoMiddle Eastbrianshapiro; Ribannah TeotihuacanMexicoJ51; Ribannah THE Ur-Central Mexican Valley state TlaxcalaMexico Military J51 Should be Military. Allied with the Spanish to defeat the Aztecs. Were never conquered by the Aztecs themselves, but were "farmed" for sacrificial victims Monte AlbanJ51 this feature was made for them MocheJ51 pre-Inca, and important ceremonial Andean centers TiwanakuJ51 pre-Inca, and important ceremonial Andean centers HuariJ51 Chan-ChanJ51 Great ZimbabweSouth AfricaJ51; Ribannah the major historical Southern African center KongoAfricaJ51 would be a great central African fit KilwaSwahiliJ51 was the major Swahili coastal city BeninJ51 I've always wanted them in some form in a Civ game ever since I saw a traveling exhibition of their art as a child OyoYoruba Military J51 the two most important Yoruba city states IfeYoruba Cultural J51; Ribannah the two most important Yoruba city states KanoAfricaJ51; Ribannah was the most important Hausa city state, and the Songhai even conquered and held it for a brief period NapataNubiaJ51 although I hope the Nubians get added later as a civ finally ByblosJ51 Why only Sidon and Tyre PalmyraJ51 even temporarily held a quarter of the Roman empire HattusaJ51 AngkorTaiwanJ51 with Siam in, I doubt that the Khmer will be added as a whole civ PaganJ51 early Burmese city-synonymous kingdom MajapahitJ51 if they're not gonna be a civ - need something Javanese ZurichJ51 to replace the modern Euro-Nation capitals GhentJ51 to replace the modern Euro-Nation capitals KievJ51; Ribannah after the collapse of Kievan Rus, functioned as a semi-city state paying tribute to various groups. KrakowPolandJ51 Instead of Warsaw. It was actualy a city-state in the 19th cent. for a while NaplesItalyJ51 RigaJ51; Ribannah CohokiaJ51 AxumEthiopiaJ51 If they're gonna be dicks and not add the Ethiopians within a year, or at all!!! BantamJ51 if they're not gonna be a civ - need something Javanese HalifaxCanadaJ51 Vatican CityItalyD712 Avignon Cultural Hostile Tusked TurkuV. Soma Abu DhabiRibannah AdelaideRibannah AkkadRibannah AthensGreeceRibannah BabylonMiddle EastRibannah BremenRibannah CahokiaRibannah CarthageNorth AfricaRibannah CologneRibannah DamascusRibannah GrenadaRibannah HamburgGermanyRibannah HochelagaRibannah KathmanduRibannah KhotanRibannah LubeckRibannah MogadishuRibannah MombasaRibannah NahaRibannah NiceRibannah NikwasiRibannah NovgorodRibannah PalenqueRibannah Port-au-PrinceRibannah SamarkandRibannah Sri KestraRibannah TiahuanacoRibannah TikalRibannah UrRibannah UrukRibannah UltrechtRibannah SienaMarla Singer PisaMarla Singer PuducherryMarla Singer GibraltarMarla Singer CuracaoMarla Singer BelizeMarla Singer BruneiMarla Singer SpartaGreece Military Hostile Thorburne I know it is part of Greece, but I would like to see them as a city-state as well Tarchuna / TarquiniaItaly Military Thorburne The capital of the Etruscan peoples; a great early encounter for Romans in an Earth map SuezEgypt Maritime Thorburne Part of Egypt, but important for the canal (like panama)
But I think the names of city states doesn't really matter, as they don't have UUs or Ubs. THey are classfied under some traits, but that's about it. They are really just big cititews now a days, which means Toronto has a good change to get in.
@Thorburne
Just wanted to point out that the über-List states that Angkor is in Taiwan, it is in Cambodia (with me assuming it is supposed to be Angkor Wat)
@Thorburne
Just wanted to point out that the über-List states that Angkor is in Taiwan, it is in Cambodia (with me assuming it is supposed to be Angkor Wat)
Thanks for pointing that out. I am working on fleshing out the list and researching the specifics. I think I just tend to get Taiwand confused with the IndoChina region. When I get the list done, I will repost it (probably as an XML file since formatting a table in the forum is a bit of a pain... unless somebody knows a better way of posting a table).
As a Serb, I am happy to see Belgrade included, but if real history has taught me anything, I fully expect the city to be burned to the ground in every single game (the real Belgrade was razed and rebuilt over 30 times over its history)
It sure it... I am about half way through with "locating" the cities. I'm trying to breatk them down by Continent/Region/Country. Basically, pin them down as much as possible. I've done a little of designating CS types and attitudes, but that part can be pretty difficult. It seems to me that they need more types. Economical would be good (seperate from maritime). Perhaps more will be added or modded.
In the meantime, if anybody has any suggestions for the list, feel free to voice. Otherwise I will probably leave what I have put in already (which may not be very accurate) or just leave them blank for now. I suppose it doesn't really matter and if it is easily moddible, then they can be changed per players preference.
A fledgling colony? After it was established it became a major port for sea trade with India and South East Asia. It was also the staging point for the European colonization of South Africa. I would hardly call it fledgling.
It was a small colony until the English annexed it for real and started bringing in colonists of their own. Iow, as long as the colony was a staging point of the VoC, it wasn't that important.
OK... so here is my list. I didn't really want to go through and format it for this thread, so I included as an attachment. It is zipped and in XLSX (EXCEL 2007) format. Please feel free to contact me if you notice anything incorrect (please, if you can, direct me to a source). Also, if you have any suggestions for the City-State Types/Attitudes, feel free to offer them up. That, I believe, is the hardest part of creating this list.
A few notes, I tried to make a consistency with "locating" the civs for earth-map builders. First by continent, then by region, then by country. Also, the "eras" listed are rough. Some are of the fiirst settlements in the area, some are when the city in question gained prominance. These are just suggestions for scenario builders.
And finally, remember, this is a reference list for anybody who wants to create additional City-States for Civ V. I look forward to the feed-back.
OK, it has been two days and, apparently, this thread is dying. After the two days it took me to do up that list, I am still hoping for some feedback on it. Again, any suggestions as far as Type, Attitude and Location are welcome!
Also, I know some may not like the Excel 2007. Unfortunately, I do. If anybody can think of any other way for me to post this directly, let me know. From my previous attempt, it would be just too difficult to copy and paste it in the thread and a lot more work then necessary.
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