Screenshot of the Day #41: We Surrender!

Thunderfall · Oct 13, 2002, 10:53 PM

When the AI realize resistance is futile, they simply give up!

I was playing a game a few days ago and fighting a war w/ the Greeks and I've gotten them down to one city that's been there for a while. When my troops gain sight of it, there is a spearman in it. On the next turn, when my troops are in striking distance, the city is abandoned and the Greeks just let me walk in and finish them off. I've never seen the computer surrender like this before. It really took all the joy out of victory.

http://www.civfanatics.com/sotd/sotd41.jpg

It's probably a smart thing to do... If you can't win, the least you can do is annoy your enemy.

Thanks to Myartar for the submission.

Chieftess · Oct 13, 2002, 10:59 PM

I just had a similar thing happen! The last city had 5 spearmen. I unloaded my troops next to the city, and 4 spearmen came darting out! (away from my troops!).

Then again, I had 2 just-acquired cities from another civ that were undefended.

Emerald Knight · Oct 13, 2002, 11:09 PM

Yeh it happened to me once before. Perhaps it's because the Greeks have 0 treasury, and a negative cash flow so on the next turn they had to disband their military unit to pay the debt.

Lt. 'Killer' M. · Oct 14, 2002, 12:28 AM

I posted a thread not long ago on empty towns - maybe this was a similar phenomenon?

Portuguese · Oct 14, 2002, 06:43 AM

Empty towns?
Do that happen more than once to you? How often?
Any idea WHY that happens?

SirJethro · Oct 14, 2002, 06:48 AM

It seems like on the last thread the conclusion was that it was because of a treasury deficit....my money is on that being the reason here as well.

Lt. 'Killer' M. · Oct 14, 2002, 06:50 AM

Portuguese: here's the thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...wn+AND+capital

Portuguese · Oct 14, 2002, 06:51 AM

Empty towns?
Do that happen more than once to you? How often?
Any idea WHY that happens?

Turner · Oct 14, 2002, 07:04 AM

Maybe the AI thought the cause was lost, and loaded the Spearman on a Galley with a Settler, off to lands unknown.

PersianImmortal · Oct 14, 2002, 08:26 AM

not if the advisor tells you that "we've wiped out the Greeks"

-proletarian- · Oct 14, 2002, 11:32 AM

One thing I don't get in that screenie; why do all the units have so many hitpoints?

You modded it so?

Portuguese · Oct 14, 2002, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by -proletarian-
One thing I don't get in that screenie; why do all the units have so many hitpoints?

You modded it so?

Yes, of course he did.
It's pretty simple, in the editor...

Myartar · Oct 14, 2002, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by -proletarian-
One thing I don't get in that screenie; why do all the units have so many hitpoints?

You modded it so?

Yep, the HPs are modded. I had a formula for how I did it, but I don't remember it anymore. I did that right after 1.21f came out I think.

Thunderfall · Oct 14, 2002, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SirJethro
It seems like on the last thread the conclusion was that it was because of a treasury deficit....my money is on that being the reason here as well.

I don't think so. You are allowed to have a number of units that require no support cost (except in a Democracy or a Republic).

hbdragon88 · Oct 14, 2002, 09:41 PM

The AI frequently leaves its unimportant cities unguraded. When I moved computers, and had to reinstall Civ3, I took advantage of the exploit where a ruler pays gold it can't afford. When I took all the cities from that trade, they were all unguraded and it was a nervous few turns while they were cranking out military units.

Der PH · Oct 15, 2002, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Myartar

Yep, the HPs are modded.

What's your experience with that many HPs? It surely takes a lot of time to heal wounded units.

Melinder · Oct 15, 2002, 08:05 AM

I once saw the AI abandon the last defender in it's last city, after I'd been harassing that city for a while. It's true, it took the joy out of wiping them out. and they were destroyed, as soon as I walked in there. I hadn't checked to see if the civ was in democracy/republic at the time, so if they were the support cost thing might explain it. Weird, though.

ZeroOne · Oct 15, 2002, 08:11 AM

I like that Winamp there at the top-left corner. I should also keep it there that way as I also like to listen my own mp3's as I play. Thisfar it has just been on the background but one can clearly use the Always on Top -mode. Thanks for the idea.

Thunderfall · Oct 15, 2002, 09:17 AM

I didn't notice that! Thanks for pointing it out ZeroOne. It's amazing people notice those small things.

Myartar · Oct 15, 2002, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Der PH

What's your experience with that many HPs? It surely takes a lot of time to heal wounded units.

Yeah, sometimes it does take forever to heal but, it just increases the need for barracks in your cities. That makes things work a lot better. Battles take forever later in the game when, you have Modern Armor attacking Mech. Infantry.... Even worse w/ Modern Armor Armies attacking Mech. Infantry Armies... They've normally got over 150hp by then.

Quote:

Originally posted by ZeroOne
I like that Winamp there at the top-left corner. I should also keep it there that way as I also like to listen my own mp3's as I play. Thisfar it has just been on the background but one can clearly use the Always on Top -mode. Thanks for the idea.

Yeah, that works great! Clicking on the Winamp bar will normally make the toolbar pop up, so you can see what song comes on as you click through.

Oct 13, 2002, 10:53 PM	#1
Thunderfall Administrator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NY, USA Posts: 11,730 Images: 1545	Screenshot of the Day #41: We Surrender! When the AI realize resistance is futile, they simply give up! I was playing a game a few days ago and fighting a war w/ the Greeks and I've gotten them down to one city that's been there for a while. When my troops gain sight of it, there is a spearman in it. On the next turn, when my troops are in striking distance, the city is abandoned and the Greeks just let me walk in and finish them off. I've never seen the computer surrender like this before. It really took all the joy out of victory. http://www.civfanatics.com/sotd/sotd41.jpg It's probably a smart thing to do... If you can't win, the least you can do is annoy your enemy. Thanks to Myartar for the submission. __________________ Thunderfall Weight: 1.0 Value: 161 Cast When used Shock Damage 1 to 25 points on Touch

Oct 13, 2002, 10:59 PM	#2
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Oct 15, 2002, 08:11 AM	#18
ZeroOne Hitchhiker Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 86 Images: 2	I like that Winamp there at the top-left corner. I should also keep it there that way as I also like to listen my own mp3's as I play. Thisfar it has just been on the background but one can clearly use the Always on Top -mode. Thanks for the idea. __________________ Visit the Civilization Wiki at Wikia!

Oct 13, 2002, 11:09 PM	#3
Emerald Knight Chieftain Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 19	Yeh it happened to me once before. Perhaps it's because the Greeks have 0 treasury, and a negative cash flow so on the next turn they had to disband their military unit to pay the debt.

Oct 14, 2002, 12:28 AM	#4
Lt. 'Killer' M. Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,475	I posted a thread not long ago on empty towns - maybe this was a similar phenomenon?

Oct 14, 2002, 06:48 AM	#6
SirJethro Paterfamilias Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Treadin' trodden trails... Posts: 1,628	It seems like on the last thread the conclusion was that it was because of a treasury deficit....my money is on that being the reason here as well.

Oct 14, 2002, 06:50 AM	#7
Lt. 'Killer' M. Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,475	Portuguese: here's the thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...wn+AND+capital

Oct 14, 2002, 07:04 AM	#9
Turner Deity Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Randomistan Posts: 25,973	Maybe the AI thought the cause was lost, and loaded the Spearman on a Galley with a Settler, off to lands unknown.

Oct 14, 2002, 08:26 AM	#10
PersianImmortal Warlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 106	not if the advisor tells you that "we've wiped out the Greeks"

Oct 14, 2002, 11:32 AM	#11
-proletarian- Chairman and CEO Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: the land of milk and honey, Canada. Posts: 359	One thing I don't get in that screenie; why do all the units have so many hitpoints? You modded it so?

Oct 14, 2002, 09:41 PM	#15
hbdragon88 haunted by blackness Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 3,745	The AI frequently leaves its unimportant cities unguraded. When I moved computers, and had to reinstall Civ3, I took advantage of the exploit where a ruler pays gold it can't afford. When I took all the cities from that trade, they were all unguraded and it was a nervous few turns while they were cranking out military units.

Oct 15, 2002, 08:05 AM	#17
Melinder Cat Petter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canada's Capital Posts: 76	I once saw the AI abandon the last defender in it's last city, after I'd been harassing that city for a while. It's true, it took the joy out of wiping them out. and they were destroyed, as soon as I walked in there. I hadn't checked to see if the civ was in democracy/republic at the time, so if they were the support cost thing might explain it. Weird, though.

Oct 15, 2002, 09:17 AM	#19
Thunderfall Administrator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NY, USA Posts: 11,730 Images: 1545	I didn't notice that! Thanks for pointing it out ZeroOne. It's amazing people notice those small things. __________________ Thunderfall Weight: 1.0 Value: 161 Cast When used Shock Damage 1 to 25 points on Touch

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