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Civ V BNW - TSG113 Details:

Player (You): - Pacal - Maya
Victory Condition: Diplomacy but all other VCs are enabled.
Difficulty: Deity
Civs/City-States (including player): 8/16
Map Type/Size: Oval/Standard
Game pace: Standard

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Game options:
Start - Ancient Era
Enabled - Quick Combat, Quick Movement
(Regardless of starting options, you may turn on/off Quick Combat/Quick Movement using the game options menu at any time during gameplay.)
Game Version: This game was created in Civ5 Brave New World version 1.0.3.279.
Game Requirements: Wonders of the Ancient World DLC, Gods and Kings expansion, Brave New World Expansion.

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Mayan Unique Attributes:



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Maya. Deity. Diplo.

River. Coast. Mountain.

This one might actually be doable. When is July 1st again?

Next Wednesday.

Looks like a difficult setup. Any suggestions appreciated.

Maya is an ideal ICS civ, but on deity with light production to start....hmmm.

Looks like another fun race to gunboat diplomacy again for me, shouldn't take long as the Maya. Early silver will be perfect for upgrading my atlatists once I get construction, which won't take long with those amazing pyramids. I wonder who else we get to face on this map?

OCC might work here.

Move the warrior to the east to the silver to see the extent of the desert and or find a food source. Im loath to move off the coast but given another food or lux i could see settling next to the mountain.

Well, I've mightily struggled on the Mayans DCL so take my opinions with a pinch of salt:

Moving east and settling the expo on the starting location seems like a good plan tbqh. I was never sold on the gunboat diplomacy perk, I prefer a peaceful tech race to Globalization with or without Patronage and that usually ends around 270ish, maybe around 240 if you luck out with the WC timing.

Something I like to do when playing diplomacy is to wait and see what ideology did the culture powerhouses pick and then join them by nominating it as the World ideology. That way you get another 2 votes at the end, so

hosting 6
ideology 2
globalization 5

so if Mongolia/Austria/Venice are not in, you need 14 allies (13 if one is taken out, that would mean 6 + 2 + 5 + 26 = 39) to win it. I wouldn't count on getting Forbidden Palace because Deity AI like Patronage and paying for WC votes doesn't seem to work anymore, I used to be able to pull it off regularly.

All of Tradition, Liberty, Piety should work but it depends on the map, Tradition is a safe bet but if there's enough space (probably not because Deity) a Liberty - Piety combo is possible. I suggest Scout-Scout-Pyramid-Settler/Worker and Monument-Pyramid is expos if Liberty/Piety or Pyramid-Granary if Tradition

Gunboat diplomacy worked great for me in GOTM 112, but I also tradition-turtled to xcoms and landed them next to every city state in the game in a couple of turns. After 20 turns of that, and a few gold gifts, I had surpassed everyone and claimed all of them as my ally. I hadn't meant to do that, I had set out with freedom in mind and thanks to my wishy washiness it delayed my victory until turn 430, which is dreadful. But this time, with a wider empire, better policy track, and more aggressive strategy, I hopefully can do better or at least not get annihilated since it's deity and I don't have a good track record on that setting. But either way, warmongering is great for this one I think, and should result in possibly even a first atomic age world leader vote victory. That's the funny thing I have noticed about diplomacy victories, it doesn't matter what the other civs think of you at all. The only thing that matters is that enough city states are allied with you at voting time to overcome a deficit caused by either failing to host world congress, build forbidden palace, vote in world ideology, or research globalization in time. Also, having the stronger military is great for dealing with mongolia, venice, and austria as well since you can destroy austria/venice first before they can buy a city state and liberate anything mongolia manages to capture.

But anyway, as for my new plan with this map:
If that were a hill on the start I would settle in place, but I can't stand the idea of not having a capital on a hill for the defense and production. Probably going to scout and see if there is somewhere better and leave that spot for city two.
Tech order: pottery, mining, AH, masonry, bronzeworking.
Build Order: Scout x 2, pyramid, atlatist x 3-10 depending on map, whatever I can't buy from tributes.
Social policy: Honor left side, Liberty complete, Honor right if needed, rationalism, autocracy - going crazy on the barb camps and city state tributes, so I should be able to buy everything else I need hopefully.

also, the save file is not available yet because I don't know how to read, derp

stormtrooper412 said:

Well, I've mightily struggled on the Mayans DCL so take my opinions with a pinch of salt:

Moving east and settling the expo on the starting location seems like a good plan tbqh. I was never sold on the gunboat diplomacy perk, I prefer a peaceful tech race to Globalization with or without Patronage and that usually ends around 270ish, maybe around 240 if you luck out with the WC timing.

Something I like to do when playing diplomacy is to wait and see what ideology did the culture powerhouses pick and then join them by nominating it as the World ideology. That way you get another 2 votes at the end, so

hosting 6
ideology 2
globalization 5

so if Mongolia/Austria/Venice are not in, you need 14 allies (13 if one is taken out, that would mean 6 + 2 + 5 + 26 = 39) to win it. I wouldn't count on getting Forbidden Palace because Deity AI like Patronage and paying for WC votes doesn't seem to work anymore, I used to be able to pull it off regularly.

All of Tradition, Liberty, Piety should work but it depends on the map, Tradition is a safe bet but if there's enough space (probably not because Deity) a Liberty - Piety combo is possible. I suggest Scout-Scout-Pyramid-Settler/Worker and Monument-Pyramid is expos if Liberty/Piety or Pyramid-Granary if Tradition

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We have the 'free' GE up our sleeve in this one.

Looks like a difficult setup. Any suggestions appreciated.

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Here are my initial thoughts:

Overall strategy is to go big politically with culture and money. Unlock crucial social policies to ensure my civilization can thrive, and money to encourage my city state alliances, particularly with cultural and military city states (social policies and defense). On deity it will be key to avoid (early) wars and subsequent annihilation. My plan is to achieve early DoFs using an average or slightly below average military depending on location. Tall empire is great here to maintain happiness. No need to go wide in diplo - early gold also important through visible silver and trade.

Early strategy will be to get Museum of Halicarnasis - which is a must - especially with the two visible stone and the Maya Unique Attribute of spawning Great People. This also works well with diplo victory. No way to get MoH and Great Library (probably not possible to get GL anyway with this start on deity). No way I have time to spread my religion for world religion delegates later on, but founding an early pantheon - either through ruins or early pyramid - is crucial to get the Religious Idols pantheon for the visible silver.

Long Count:
Use GP for holy site
Use GA for golden age
Use GE for forbidden palace.
Use GS late for extra beakers.
Use others as needed by CS quests

Build Order: scout > pyramid > museum of halicarnasis > (buy library)

Social Policies: Liberty opener > Citizenship (worker) > Collective Rule (Settler) > Tradition Opener > Patronage

Research Order: pottery > masonry > writing > mining > calendar > philosophy > theology

Hopefully steal a worker with scout and spam one with liberty. Buy early monument and get a settler from liberty and build one for 3 cities before turn 60 or 70.

I'm super optimistic (probably too much so) about this one. Gonna let it sit for a while to get mentally prepared to work slowly through it with deep thought.

Acken has a maya deity game online:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmC-sCe_I4A&list=PL5IXV43xjKWRQoEaZLj8dbK2BMifXjAGC

so does Marbozir
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kVhiC1VVR0&index=1&list=PLHQyGGzRHYIbd6Rw7tura8M52w0_F5KCG

mtt9999 said:

Research Order: pottery > masonry > writing > mining > calendar > philosophy > theology

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I think you goofed a little on that tech order. I'm going to assume it's pottery > mining > masonry > writing > etc.

I think you goofed a little on that tech order. I'm gonig to assume it's pottery > mining > masonry > writing > etc.

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Yup. Oops.

The more I think about this, the less I like the idea of crazy warmongering on Deity. I better just tradition-turtle to plastics instead and use my pile of atlatists to steal workers and demand tribute for my patience. Super science is the only way to win this one: fast printing press, faster atomic era, and gunboat diplomacy level 3 autocracy tenet with an infantry or paratrooper next to every city state. I'll bulb my way to globalization and xcoms if I need to, but I doubt I will.

SooHongLoo said:

I played 60 turns so far <snip>

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Wild_Woojsha said:

The more I think about this, the less I like the idea of crazy warmongering on Deity. I better just tradition-turtle to plastics instead and use my pile of atlatists to steal workers and demand tribute for my patience. Super science is the only way to win this one: fast printing press, faster atomic era, and gunboat diplomacy level 3 autocracy tenet with an infantry or paratrooper next to every city state. I'll bulb my way to globalization and xcoms if I need to, but I doubt I will.

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I suggest you steal some techs with your first spy to level him up (don't steal from the guy who first entered Renaissance because he'll likely keep his spy home), then send him over to start couping CSs. Then start bulbing around Penicilin, the whole point is to get to Info era quickly through Telecommunications because in all likelihood the UN won't start before. Then you have a limited time to get Globalization so I suggest using the Ratio finisher on it, or perhaps Oxford but you'll probably have used it sooner

stormtrooper412 said:

I suggest you steal some techs with your first spy to level him up (don't steal from the guy who first entered Renaissance because he'll likely keep his spy home), then send him over to start couping CSs. Then start bulbing around Penicilin, the whole point is to get to Info era quickly through Telecommunications because in all likelihood the UN won't start before. Then you have a limited time to get Globalization so I suggest using the Ratio finisher on it, or perhaps Oxford but you'll probably have used it sooner

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I never thought of leaving the guy highest in tech alone, no wonder my spies are slaughtered half of the time. I love using them on city states instead, they get me so much more rigging elections than sitting in capitals. So penicillin should be the happy point where I have had all of my research labs built for 8 turns and can bulb straight to globalization in a couple of turns? I like the idea of saving Rationalism finisher and oxford for what my scientists can't accomplish too, that is an awesome idea that I plan on using if I am still alive by then...

Going to try adwcta's "small piety" strategy on this one:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=521674

Anyone care to join?

I've only won one deity GOTM so far, so my goal for this one is to win, hopefully sub t300. Let's see if I can make it happen!

Pre-game thoughts: probably settle in place b/c of coast, and the spot next to the mountain seems to have too much tundra/ice. However, warrior will scout it to confirm. Target a faith pantheon, ideally faith/culture from silver, but faith from toundra or desert also seem possible. We'll see what early scouting reveals.