Petra sucks "Brave New World Expansion"

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NJC

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Okay, so Petra was one of my favorite wonders in gods and kings but since the "Brave New World" Expansion, the bonuses no longer affect flood plain tiles.

In effect, this mean's it can only provide 1+http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/civ5/food.png and 1+http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/civ5/production.png to the desert tiles with no floodplains on it.

So how is Petra useful? Theres little point starting a city in the middle of the desert just for its benefits nor is there a point of building it near rivers with floodplains which generally are the best area's for starting out in the desert.
Sure, if a bunch of desert tiles are close to fishing sites then its plausible to build it but not for pastures.

I feel like the massive bonuses it gave to civilizations starting out in deserts have been lost, what do you think?
 
But the petra never affected flood plain tiles.

The only thing that has been removed from it is the +1 gold to non flood plain desert tiles, and i believe that's made up for with an additional trade route (which can be really awesome in so many different ways)

Just build it in a desert mine heavy city and it's still one of the best wonders around, especially for the inca.
 
Hills, oases, resource tiles on flat desert, Kasbah. Petra is amazing and I didn't know it ever applied to flood plains. It didn't, did it?
 
I do like Petra, but it is hard to get (the AIs gun for it too) and while you are waiting for it to be available, you are saddled with useless desert tiles for the early game. And if you don't get it, you are saddled with useless desert tiles for the whole game. I generally find it to be more trouble than it is worth.
 
livsbrand said:
Hills, oases, resource tiles on flat desert, Kasbah. Petra is amazing and I didn't know it ever applied to flood plains. It didn't, did it?
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Yeah it did, I remember it doing wonders for my "God's and King's" campaign, now unless you're a desert faction (eg Morocco) I don't see the point in it anymore. I don't mind that they took the 1+ gold away but still I think its become more useless than it formerly was.
 
NJC said:
Okay, so Petra was one of my favorite wonders in gods and kings but since the "Brave New World" Expansion, the bonuses no longer affect flood plain tiles.
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In BNW Petra did'nt affect plainn tiles :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
NJC said:
Yeah it did, I remember it doing wonders for my "God's and King's" campaign, now unless you're a desert faction (eg Morocco) I don't see the point in it anymore. I don't mind that they took the 1+ gold away but still I think its become more useless than it formerly was.
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ok I don t mean to be rude but stop it already,it has been said to you many times. Petra NEVER worked on Flood plains. It can not be that the rest of the world had a version of the game and you another now , can it ?
Now , as for usefullness of petra , it is still one of the greatest wonder (and yet circumstantial)... those 4 food one hammer one gold oasis or those chain of hill+river farmed that gives 3 foods+ 3 hammers each at civil service oO...of course you need a landscape to get the best of petra but god , if you have it , just enjoy !
Oh and the free caravan is nothing to sneeze at , it's actually an increase on the total number of caravan you have, and this number is pretty small througout the game (8 without colossus or being venice , is it ?)
 
NJC said:
Yeah it did, I remember it doing wonders for my "God's and King's" campaign, now unless you're a desert faction (eg Morocco) I don't see the point in it anymore. I don't mind that they took the 1+ gold away but still I think its become more useless than it formerly was.
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"More useless"? I don't even know what to say to this. I guess Pisa is useless too, if you're not running specialists. And Notre Dame is useless if you're playing with Settler level happiness. I got G&K in February and Petra has not applied to flood plains since then, I'm very sure. Loads of food and hammers, bonus trade route, free caravan, 6 culture after Archaeology? You're right, it stinks.
 
NJC said:
Yeah it did, I remember it doing wonders for my "God's and King's" campaign, now unless you're a desert faction (eg Morocco) I don't see the point in it anymore. I don't mind that they took the 1+ gold away but still I think its become more useless than it formerly was.
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Petra did not affect flood plains in G&K either. Your memory is incorrect. Go load up a G&K game (untick BNW dlc) and you can see this yourself.
 
Conclusion: Petra is better than ever in BNW !
To the canyon of the Crescent Moon !
 
Desert Hills next to a river become pretty godly with Petra. 3:c5food: 3:c5production: at Civil Service, for what could be several tiles.
 
Petra can turn an otherwise bleak and hopeless city into a freakin' powerhouse, usually production oriented. I've made Petra cities that outperformed my capital, even with my capital having great engineer factories.
 
Petra can be great, especially with desert folklore pantheon. In my last game as Siam, i started in the desert with lots of gold, stone, iron, and I think maybe a marble too, lots of hills and a river. I got desert folklore and Petra, and my capital turned into an incredible city, huge production, gold, science, and food, lots of culture and faith too, and I got my first ever win on King difficulty.
 
I feel like Petra did use to affect flood plains tiles, maybe it was before even G&K? or maybe it was just that the description used to not tell you this?
 
It basically converts desert tiles into plains, and it also gives a sweet caravan and an extra trade route slot. Nope, Petra definitely doesn't suck. :)
 
stii said:
I feel like Petra did use to affect flood plains tiles, maybe it was before even G&K? or maybe it was just that the description used to not tell you this?
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It's always been that way, I remember it clarified "no flood plains" in the civilopedia since release (I preordered GNK and BNW both) and Petra was introduced in Gods and Kings, so the OP is just wrong.
 
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