City State Diplomacy Mod (Updated)

Lord Tirian said:

I guess CSD has enough interesting features to work without city-states nowadays, especially together with the CBP!

But I'd rather see something like the suggested change added to great merchants which are a bit less interesting since Great Diplomats kind of stole their shtick.

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Funak said:

One problem I have with great diplomats is that they are dependant on luck. You build an embassy in a citystate and venice decides to buy it, now you've wasted your diplomat.
Also the whole idea that there is only room for so many embassies in the game that lategame great diplomats are a lot less valueable, you either rush for them or you wont be able to get any extra votes. Sure you'll still be able to stop others from getting votes from embassies by capturing the citystates, but I'm not really sure that's the best solution ever.

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One simple solution would be to replace the embassy option with just consuming the diplomat in your capital for a permanent extra vote, but I'm not one hundred percent sure that would be a good solution either. Votes probably shouldn't be unlimited and so on.

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AbsintheRed said:

I would rather keep the theme.
What I suggested suits the Great Diplomats much more.
I don't see anything wrong about the ability for them (feels perfectly thematic) to be able to slightly boost your relations with the major civs too.

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I agree about Great Merchants though, they could also use another ability.
But I would strictly connect that one to trade, and gold.
Maybe they could create an additional trade route for your civ. Or would it be too overpowered?
Another idea is, that they can boost all your trade routes for 45 turns by 20%. This can even be cumulative, so if you use a second GM while the first boost is still active, you would get double benefits for a couple turns.
PS: the 45 turns and 20% just random numbers here, whatever works for balance
PS2: both of these would scale with the game speed, obviously

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AbsintheRed said:

Wait, what? I thought there is a tech which unlocks the Great Diplomats ability to establish embassies. If not, there should be. Seems a little strange, if you can do that from the beginning of the game (after you are able to spawn great diplomats of course, IIRC with Civil Service). The world congress is still hundreds of turns away, and you already have an extra vote with your embassy?

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Apart from that, I really like the ability to build embassies, and the fact that it's a race for getting as much first city states embassies as possible.
IMO it's a great design, but as you said, it has a rather limited lifespan.
So I'm pretty certain GDs need something else to do, and this is another reason for it.
Ideally it should be connected to major civs (it seems I can't stop lobbying for it, sry for that )

That would be a terrible option IMO.
Votes should definitely be limited.
Also seems rather dull, to be honest.

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Funak said:

Would be useless in multiplayer, which I personally don't care about but I know others do, and that usually isn't a solution. Also while it is thematic in theory, in the game there is no actual relation between diplomacy with citystates and diplomacy between players.

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Sounds way too situational, that's the problem. There have been a lot of other suggestions about the great merchant in some other thread which I don't care to find atm. They included starting 'We love the king day' in all your cities, boosting population in cities and so on. One of hte problems from what I remember is that the AI can't really learn to use them differently, which makes most of the suggestions pretty limited.

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And leave you herding your diplomats in your capital until then? Sounds kinda wrong aswell.

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I just provided a simple solution for one of the more boring problems. Also considering most games embassyslots doesn't run out it is more a safeguard against matchups against some AIs which spam like crazy, would take a whole lot of extra diplomats to make these extravotes break the diplovictory.

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AbsintheRed said:

I think we disagree here what's boring in the context of Great Diplomats.

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I don't think it's more situational, than the vanilla trade mission.
Giving it a little more thought, I think the best solution would be (if we follow the trade route line), that they give an extra trade route for x turns in the city which the ability is used, while boosting all trade routes for the same x turns by y%

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Funak said:

I think you're right

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Probably not, but I haven't used a vanilla trade mission since they removed the influence from it.
I don't like the idea of it depending on you running external traderoutes. They could be plundered, or you could be running internal traderoutes instead.
I also don't like the idea if it just producing gold. The custom house is already remade as a half food half gold improvement, it would be logical to assume the trademission should be the same way, which was the idea behind the we love the king day triggering from it.

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ldvhl said:

I just tried to download the mod, but dropbox ssaid it was moved or unavailable?

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zer0lis said:

Does the Ai has an option to turn off automatic gifting of units from allied military CS when they cant handle the unit maintenance? In one of my games, a military CS financially ruined a civ they allied with.

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zer0lis said:

Does the Ai has an option to turn off automatic gifting of units from allied military CS when they cant handle the unit maintenance? In one of my games, a military CS financially ruined a civ they allied with.

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Estebanium said:

Hi guys,

While I was translating the latest text changes of "CSDCompatibility.sql" of the "Community Balance Patch - CSD Compatibility (1-30v2)" folder, I became a bit confused about this entry:

'This National Wonder is unique, in that players may only build it in your capital, so long as you have a national population of 12. It gives a small production boost when building diplomatic units in the capital, and one [ICON_RES_PAPER] Paper resource. Build this building if you want to secure a city-state ally or two during the first few eras of the game. The additional [ICON_PRODUCTION] Production granted upon City growth makes it important to build this building early on to maximize the boost. Requires 40 [ICON_CITIZEN] National Population before it can be constructed.'​

Does it mean that I can build this national wonder if I have a pop of 12, but the additional production is only unlocked by reaching a pop of 40?

In the following entries you can read something about the requirements for being able to build something like this:TXT_KEY_BUILDING_PALACE_SCIENCE_CULTURE_HELP

In the vanilla version of CSD you had to build a Public School in every City in order to unlock this building. Now you can read it like having only one Public School in the city where the wonder will be build. "Must have built a Public School in the city." But the last sentence gives a hint to how it was in vanilla: "The cost goes up the more cities there are in the empire." So is it a wrong wording? "..Must have built a Public School in (every?) city.."​

This issue can be found in several descriptions below..

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Gazebo said:

It is a typo - I'll fix for the next version (both values should be 20)

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Estebanium said:

So am I right that the building can be build by reaching 20 population and getting the bonus of production by reaching 40 pop? I mean if the last figure in the text is higher than the figure before, the last figure will always deny the first condition..

And what do you say to my question to the missing "in every City" text. Is it obsolete, so is the hint with the upgoing costs outdated, or is the word every/each missing? ^^

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UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = 'Requires a national population of at least 20 before it can be built. +1 [ICON_RES_PAPER] Paper. +10% [ICON_PRODUCTION] Production of Diplomatic Units. Can only be constructed in a Capital. [NEWLINE][NEWLINE] +10% of the [ICON_PRODUCTION] Production of the City is added to the current [ICON_PRODUCTION] Production amount every time the city gains a [ICON_CITIZEN] Citizen.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_COURT_SCRIBE_HELP';

UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = 'This National Wonder is unique, in that players may only build it in your capital, so long as you have a national population of 20. It gives a small production boost when building diplomatic units in the capital, and one [ICON_RES_PAPER] Paper resource. Build this building if you want to secure a city-state ally or two during the first few eras of the game. The additional [ICON_PRODUCTION] Production granted upon City growth makes it important to build this building early on to maximize the boost. Requires 20 [ICON_CITIZEN] National Population before it can be constructed.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_COURT_SCRIBE_STRATEGY';

UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = 'This National Wonder cannot be built unless the city has a Public School and you have a national population of at least 70. Build this national wonder to receive additional Delegates in the World Congress based on the number of Research Agreements you currently have with other players. You will also receive a large boost to the Culture and Science output of the city where it is built.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_PALACE_SCIENCE_CULTURE_STRATEGY';

-- Help Text

UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = 'Requires Order. +15% [ICON_CULTURE] Culture and [ICON_RESEARCH] Science in the city where it is built. +2 [ICON_RES_PAPER] Paper. Receive one vote for every [COLOR_POSITIVE_TEXT]Research Agreement[ENDCOLOR] you currently have with other players. [NEWLINE][NEWLINE]Must have built a Public School in the city. Requires a national population of at least 70 before it can be constructed. The cost goes up the more cities there are in the empire.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_PALACE_SCIENCE_CULTURE_HELP';

UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = 'This National Wonder cannot be built unless the city has a Military Academy and you have a national population of at least 70. Build this national wonder to receive additional Delegates in the World Congress based on the number of enemy Capitals you have conquered. You will also receive a large boost to the Tourism and Faith output of the city where it is built.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_EHRENHALLE_STRATEGY';

-- Help Text

UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = 'Requires Autocracy. +15 [ICON_TOURISM] Tourism and +15 [ICON_PEACE] Faith in the city where it is built. +2 [ICON_RES_PAPER] Paper. Receive one vote for every [COLOR_POSITIVE_TEXT]enemy Capital[ENDCOLOR] you control. [NEWLINE][NEWLINE]Must have built a Military Academy in the city. Requires a national population of at least 70 before it can be constructed. The cost goes up the more cities there are in the empire.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_EHRENHALLE_HELP';


UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = 'This National Wonder cannot be built unless the city has a Stock Exchange and you have a national population of at least 70. Build this national wonder to receive additional Delegates in the World Congress based on the number of Declaration of Friendships you currently have with other players. You will also receive a large boost to the Food and Gold output of the city where it is built.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_FINANCE_CENTER_STRATEGY';

-- Help Text

UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = 'Requires Freedom. +15% [ICON_FOOD] Food and [ICON_GOLD] Gold in the city where it is built. +2 [ICON_RES_PAPER] Paper. Receive one vote for every [COLOR_POSITIVE_TEXT]Declaration of Friendship[ENDCOLOR] you currently have with other players. [NEWLINE][NEWLINE]Must have built a Stock Exchange in the city. Requires a national population of at least 70 before it can be constructed. The cost goes up the more cities there are in the empire.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_FINANCE_CENTER_HELP';


UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = 'This National Wonder cannot be built unless the city has a Chancery and you have a national population of at least 40. Build it to receive a production speed increase for Diplomatic Units in the city where it is built, increased movement and influence for all your Diplomatic Units and the ability to allow your Diplomatic Units to ignore terrain penalties.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_PRINTING_PRESS_STRATEGY';

-- Help Text

UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = '+2 [ICON_RES_PAPER] Paper. +20% [ICON_PRODUCTION] Production of Diplomatic Units. All Diplomatic Units receive the [COLOR_POSITIVE_TEXT]Literacy[ENDCOLOR] Promotion.[NEWLINE][NEWLINE]Must have built a Chancery in the City. Requires a national population of at least 40 before it can be constructed. The cost goes up the more cities there are in the empire.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_PRINTING_PRESS_HELP';


UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = 'This National Wonder cannot be built unless the city has a Wire Service and you have a national population of at least 60. Build it to receive a production speed increase for Diplomatic Units in the city where it is built, increased movement and influence for all your Diplomatic Units and the ability to send your Diplomatic Units through rival territory without an [COLOR_POSITIVE_TEXT]Open Borders[ENDCOLOR] agreement.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_FOREIGN_OFFICE_STRATEGY';

-- Help Text

UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = '+2 [ICON_RES_PAPER] Paper. +20% [ICON_PRODUCTION] Production of Diplomatic Units. All Diplomatic Units receive the [COLOR_POSITIVE_TEXT]Diplomatic Immunity[ENDCOLOR] Promotion.[NEWLINE][NEWLINE]Must have built a Wire Service in the City. Requires a national population of at least 60 before it can be constructed. The cost goes up the more cities there are in the empire.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_FOREIGN_OFFICE_HELP';

-- Temple Help Text
UPDATE Language_en_US
SET Text = 'Doubles religious pressure emanating from this City and grants 1 vote in the World Congress for every [COLOR_POSITIVE_TEXT]6 Cities[ENDCOLOR] which follow this religion. [NEWLINE][NEWLINE]Must be built in a Holy City. Requires a National Population of at least 35. The cost goes up the more cities there are in the empire.'
WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_GRAND_TEMPLE_HELP';

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Gazebo said:

Sorry, my post didn't make sense. The values should be the same for each text file (so if a national pop of 20 is needed, that's the number that should be in the text in both places.

Regarding the missing 'in every city' text, you only need to build the prereq building in the city where you are going to build the NW, however the cost of the NW still increases based on the number of cities in your empire.


Here's the fixed text:

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Estebanium said:

Ah! Ok now I understand ^^, but isn't it done twice by saying: "Ok you need 20 pop in order to build this thing and.. hey have I already mentioned that you need 20 population..?" Don't get me wrong sometimes it is better to repeat something again to avoid questions by the player, but I think I got the message..

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Gazebo said:

Yeah, I'll remove the second one.
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WHERE Tag = 'TXT_KEY_BUILDING_COURT_SCRIBE_STRATEGY';