Bad Wolf
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Unification has very little to do with the civ.
I don't know how you can say this given that the only reason we're even talking about "Italy" as a single entity is because of unification.
Unification has very little to do with the civ.
I don't know how you can say this given that the only reason we're even talking about "Italy" as a single entity is because of unification.
I don't know how you can say this given that the only reason we're even talking about "Italy" as a single entity is because of unification.
Not really.
People saw that there were cultural or geographical entities in areas where there was no unified political entity.
People spoke of Greece when there was no unified Greek state, the word Germany was used throughout history despite there not being a German state and same goes for Italy. People knew that there was an entity called Italy even before unification, be it geographic or cultural.
IIRC even the titles of the Holy Roman Emperor were Emperor of Romans, King of Germans and King of Italy or the Italians.
So even during the middle-ages people recognised that there was an entity called Italy.
Italy's capital is the same capital as the Roman Civ. I can see them being a Scenario specific civ, but not an in game civ
Civ 5 GK had a ton of scenario related civs which makes it possible to see wildcards. Its just Italy has too many things going against it
1. City States were practically designed with Italy in mind, removing a cast of city states would be nice to see some other Mesoamerican and other ones from the world, but I can't see the developers doing that.
2. Rome would be the same name and capital for two civs and several other cities would have the exact same names.
3. Italy fits better as multiple city states than anything else
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Come to think of it, I would say a potential dark horse civ could be the Vatican/Papal States. Have had a ton of cultural influence around the world, would utilize Italian cities not currently used as city states, has acted as a world congress in previous civ games (Apostolic palace anyone?), a faith oriented civ, etc.
I'm well aware of all of this (my degree is in history), but really we're getting way outside the focus of the discussion, which is what new Civs are going to be in BNW? (Am I the first one on this board to use that acronym?) And on the evidence, I just don't think Italy is very likely, for all the reasons I've already stated. All of these arguments about Italy's historical status are interesting, but put it this way: if I were betting money on this, I definitely wouldn't bet on Italy unless the house were giving me some really crazy odds.
I'm well aware of all of this (my degree is in history), but really we're getting way outside the focus of the discussion, which is what new Civs are going to be in BNW? (Am I the first one on this board to use that acronym?) And on the evidence, I just don't think Italy is very likely, for all the reasons I've already stated. All of these arguments about Italy's historical status are interesting, but put it this way: if I were betting money on this, I definitely wouldn't bet on Italy unless the house were giving me some really crazy odds.
No, that's far too much of a stretch. I don't dispute your point about those cities' relevance as being inaccurate, but you're looking at it from too in-depth of a perspective. Look at it from the point of view of casual fans, all the people who play this game and don't check fansites or have an extensive knowledge of history; the vast majority of people who would buy this expansion would look at Italy, see Firenze/Venecia, and immediately question why the capital of Italy isn't Rome.This again? Firenze or Venecia is the perfect answer! You can be a bit flexible, those two cities were the centres of the renaissance anyway...
No, that's far too much of a stretch. I don't dispute your point about those cities' relevance as being inaccurate, but you're looking at it from too in-depth of a perspective. Look at it from the point of view of casual fans, all the people who play this game and don't check fansites or have an extensive knowledge of history; the vast majority of people who would buy this expansion would look at Italy, see Firenze/Venecia, and immediately question why the capital of Italy isn't Rome.
I'm not saying your overall point is invalid, or that Italy wouldn't be a good addition (I'd like it, personally), but Rome must be its capital.
I wouldn't mind seeing Austrailia and New Zeland in there. They'd fit a more modern theme and that region of the Earth is somewhat poorly represented.