(7-25) Carthage UA/UNW Reworks

[ma_kuh]

You can see the coast, and I think you can see hills one tile in, but approaching the coast won't let you see deeper, even with sight=3.

Embark vision for Polynesia lets you aim your first few settlers better, so I think it's actually very nice, and lets scouts see equal distance whether on land or sea.

 

[Tekamthi]

(and why high difficulty AI receive a vision bonus to all their units)

how much vision bonus do AI get? and do they get any bonus for invisible units (subs)?

 

[azum4roll]

Does extra vision help you see further inland so you can decide whether it's worth embarking to explore further?

Any land obstructs vision while embarked, so no.

 

[Rekk]

for reference:
Unit XP at each Military Building Stage:

Building	XP after Purchase	Level after Purchase	XP after Build	Level After Build	XP after Purchase (Carthage UA)	Level After Purchase ( CarthageUA)
Ancient	0	1	0	1	5	1
Ancient (Barracks)	7.5	1	15	2 (req 10xp)	7.5+5 = 12.5	2 (req 10xp)
Classical	7.5	1	15	2	7.5+5 = 12.5	2
Medieval	7.5	1	15	2	7.5+10 = 17.5	2
Medieval (Armory)	17.5	2 (req 10xp)	35	3 (req 30xp)	17.5+10 = 27.5	2
Renaissance	17.5	2	35	3	17.5+15 = 32.5	3 (req 30xp)
Industrial	17.5	2	35	3	17.5+20 = 37.5	3
Industrial (Military Academy)	30	3 (req 30xp)	60	4 (req 60xp)	30+20 = 50	3
Modern	30	3	60	4	30+25 = 55	3
Atomic	30	3	60	4	30+30 = 60	4 (req 60xp)
Information	30	3	60	4	30+35 = 65	4

Note that XP is stored up to 2 decimal places.

 

[pineappledan]

Thanks, Rek!

Some confounding variables to add:
Teocalli (classical?) adds an additional 15/7.5 XP
Brandenburg (Industrial) adds an additional 15/7.5 XP
Elite forces (autocracy) adds an additional 15/7.5 XP
Mercenary units (medieval/industrial/atomic) get full XP on gold purchase
Draft registration (freedom, tier 1) eliminates the XP penalty for all gold purchases

The proposal is for this ability to only affect gold purchases, so Zealotry is not a factor.

I like the tension between freedom’s full XP unit purchases and autocracy’s +7.5 XP with -33% purchase cost. It’s a pretty interesting choice.

 

[Rekk]

an additional 15/7.5 XP, probably around classical

where is this from?

 

[pineappledan]

typo from editing on mobile. fixed.

 

[rkkn]

Teocalli (classical?)

medieval
You can found in late classical, but getting enough faith to convert your cities and buy the buildings is medieval for sure
unless you're gandhi I guess

 

[pineappledan]

hence the (?)

 

[azum4roll]

medieval
You can found in late classical, but getting enough faith to convert your cities and buy the buildings is medieval for sure
unless you're gandhi I guess

I think you actually found earlier (respective to tech) in lower difficulties.

 

[pineappledan]

Carthage and Polynesia proposals split into 2 proposals. We can sort this out after sponsorship phase.

(7-30f) Polynesia changes

Counterproposal to this: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/7-30-polynesia-ua-and-carthage-ua-ub-rework.688923/ There is also a proposal to change the UU into a scout. In combination with the embarked vision bonuses, this should make Polynesia's early scouting and settling phase much more...

forums.civfanatics.com

 

[Stalker0]

yeah at this point we magi recognize its a whole webby mess to untangle, so we will see where the dust settles after sponsorship, and then I am sure we are going to have spend a day or two untangling things and see where it lands.

 

[pineappledan]

Sponsor note:
This proposal requires the addition of the following new abilities:
Yields whenever ownership of a new resource is increased, scaling with era (new SQL table)
extra XP on unit Gold Purchase, scaling with era (Traits table addition)
the rest is SQL and text worth that I would be able to assist with

 

[Recursive]

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