Niklas Broberg (7:28:10 PM): hey there
dinascosto7 (7:28:19 PM): hello - up late again?
Niklas Broberg (7:28:31 PM): nah, it's only 1:30 AD
Niklas Broberg (7:28:33 PM): *AM
dinascosto7 (7:28:36 PM): AD lol
Niklas Broberg (7:28:39 PM): hehe
dinascosto7 (7:29:08 PM): I am working on a proposal to put before my team - sadly there has been little progress on any front
dinascosto7 (7:29:29 PM): I do have questions
dinascosto7 (7:29:55 PM): how badly does your team want to do the trade for metal castign with SANCTA?
Niklas Broberg (7:30:25 PM): heh, well, I think that's not really the issue
Niklas Broberg (7:30:36 PM): we have no rush to get MC by any means
Niklas Broberg (7:30:54 PM): but we really thinks it's a great deal to make, for the alliance
dinascosto7 (7:31:11 PM): we have much opposition to letting SANCTA have alphabet
Niklas Broberg (7:31:25 PM): so I think without a really good motivation why, your opposition would cause a lot of
dinascosto7 (7:31:47 PM): the reason they give is to try to keep S & S apart
dinascosto7 (7:32:19 PM): they figure denying them the ability to trade gives us a better chance to tie Saturn to us (us = Kaz/Cav)
dinascosto7 (7:33:07 PM): I see the logic of this position myself
Niklas Broberg (7:33:57 PM): I do too - but it is based on a supposition that getting Saturn into our alliance is better than getting MC "for free"
Niklas Broberg (7:34:19 PM): there are several on our team who just don't see the point getting Saturn to us
Niklas Broberg (7:35:02 PM): I see a point myself, but it's still something that we haven't really formally discussed yet, neither within the team nor between us
Niklas Broberg (7:35:27 PM): really the only reason we care to deal with Saturn in the first place is because we're disappointed with MS
dinascosto7 (7:36:08 PM): I suggested we try to trade something else to SANCTA for MC (without giving them masonry) - maybe CoL
dinascosto7 (7:36:30 PM): if we made the trade and got MC that would make many on my team happy - happier than waiting till turn 100
dinascosto7 (7:36:55 PM): we also had a suggestion to gift IW to Saturn and ask them to research it for us
dinascosto7 (7:37:02 PM): it = MC
dinascosto7 (7:37:09 PM): us = Kaz/Cav
dinascosto7 (7:37:40 PM): anyway that's where that issue is now - I thought it would be best to begin with the easy one
dinascosto7 (7:38:14 PM): next question: do you have any idea how long it will take for you to do CS (I asked b4 and you didn't know)
Niklas Broberg (7:41:39 PM): if you could trade CoL to SANCTA for MC, that would be even better
Niklas Broberg (7:41:54 PM): so if you can get that down, we'd be more than happy to let you
dinascosto7 (7:42:16 PM): ok I will run it by my team again and hopefully we can propose it to SANCTA soon
Niklas Broberg (7:42:24 PM): but getting Saturn to research MC seems rather useless, they must surely know that SANCTA has it
Niklas Broberg (7:43:02 PM): we want to get Saturn to us, not get them irritated with us
dinascosto7 (7:43:08 PM): lol
dinascosto7 (7:43:20 PM): ok - what about time to CS - any idea on that yet?
Niklas Broberg (7:48:23 PM): no, I really couldn't say
Niklas Broberg (7:48:41 PM): actually, thinking some, I'd like to change my previous statement
Niklas Broberg (7:49:04 PM): if we think that there is no way to keep Saturn away from SANCTA - then we should try to trade SANCTA CoL
Niklas Broberg (7:49:30 PM): but the same thing applies there - SANCTA knows that Saturn has CoL, so they will surely not want to trade for it from either of us
Niklas Broberg (7:49:52 PM): on the other hand, if we think we can keep Saturn away from SANCTA - then we should trade SANCTA alphabet
Niklas Broberg (7:50:00 PM): since it would be completely useless to them
dinascosto7 (7:50:28 PM): Saurn has CoL already?
Niklas Broberg (7:51:47 PM): yes - don't you remember their cries of anguish when you beat them to it by one turn?
dinascosto7 (7:52:55 PM): no - haven't been paying attention I guess