Here's a well made map by Liex some time ago.
Thread about the map: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=459909
Spoiler :
Thread about the map: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=459909
Fun fact: Horses aren't native to the Americas. Those tribes only have horses because of the Europeans.
You realize they got their independence shortly after the French Revolution, right? Brazil isn't that much younger than the United States (or Haiti, for that matter, which got basically won its independence *during* the French Revolution).
Fun fact: Horses aren't native to the Americas. Those tribes only have horses because of the Europeans.
Fun Fact: Your fact is wrong. Horses are actually originally native to the Americas and eventually the species spread out across the Being Strait. Another fun fact, camels are originally native to the Americas as well - Just like horses they reached the rest of the world via the Bering Strait.
Horses went extinct in the Americas about 14,000 years ago. So that means there was a brief period of time when humans and horses existed at the same time in the Americas prior to the Europeans. But yes, your larger point stands.
People didn't arrive in the Americas until 12000 years ago.
Also, the domestic horses were product of thousand years of incremental domestication, the "horses" in the NA would have been useless.
Here's a well made map by Liex some time ago.
Spoiler :
Thread about the map: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=459909
Now, if the Brazilian market is really that big, it might be possible to see that come over, but - and correct me if I'm wrong - didn't it take the efforts of modders to even get Civ translated into Portuguese?
Now, if the Brazilian market is really that big, it might be possible to see that come over, but - and correct me if I'm wrong - didn't it take the efforts of modders to even get Civ translated into Portuguese?
I just rather doubt that it will be in. Portugal, IMO, stands a much better chance at inclusion.
In fact, Carthage is in, while Phoenicia is not... unfortunately
But this is a special case of course, Carthage is way too old and significant to be historically considered as a colonial civ
They have put enough down on the table (while being unique enough) to be considered as a separate civ
Carthage wasn't a colony in the sense of 'colonialism' as now understood. It was like any state: founded by people from somewhere else. That somewhere else happened to be the Phoenician states, but Carthage wasn't ruled from an external Phoenician power and wasn't in any meaningful sense Phoenician.
As far as game representation goes, I think the current representation is ideal: most major Phoenician cities are in the game as city states (there never was a unified Phoenician empire), while Carthage is a full empire.
I don't want the Zulu - I'd rather see the Swahili, Malagasy, or Zimbabwe - but I think that they're the most likely option.
Yeah, it's of course subjective, but I would love to see a full Phoenicia civ in the game.
Much more than a unified Italy civ (something form the Italian city states or representing modern Italy), or than a Brazil civ for example. I would even prefer them to the Zulu, Kongo, or to any other african civ...
I have no idea how big percent of the civvers are with me on this, but Phoenicia could definitely be a worthly addition
Also, while city states are somewhat representing the Phoenicians, it's very far giving a full picture
I'd particularly like the Merina (Malagasy), but they're not likely even with room for two or three African civs. The Zulu are almost a certainty (they could sell as DLC, but Firaxis will do better by using the name to prompt people to pay for a full expansion including them); if there are others Kongo and the Moors seem most probable.
Incidentally, I like the map posted in the thread, but shouldn't English influence be marked as hashes throughout most of the world...?
Well, part of the problem with Mali is that many of the major cities overlap with the Songhai...
I'm mainly going off what could come out of the Scramble for Africa scenario.
I only vote for Khmer because play as a Khmer is very good in growth. It produce faster growth rate with less unhappiness. Why many people forget Khmer as used to included in CIV4 beyond the sword? It is a country which has over 800 ancient temples! including Angkorwat as u see in Civi5!