I Wanna See Your CiV.1 Saved Games!

GoldBerg · Nov 10, 2004

2004 title was
I Want To See Your CiV.1.DOS Maps!

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CiV.1.DOS Saved Games And (Edited) Maps :egypt:

interesting MAPS (you did create with TERRAFORM or 'discover' while playing)
(please save every game after 1st turn and keep that MAP & SVE files!)
interesting situations at any level
'problem-situations' to be solved
game errors (ghost cities and continents and so on)
funny things on screen...

Terraform - the Map & Game Editor for CIV.Dos
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=126921

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MAPS / SCENARiOS - UPDATE: May 06, 2006

Scenarios
DELETED at CFC forums since a server forum software update around the year 2006:

civDOS savegame files (*.map; *.sav)
ALL (or most) LiNKS DEAD . . . :sad:

GoldBerg · Nov 10, 2004

...it's possible to add zip archives here
(...always include both files
for example
Civil2.sve
and
Civil2.map!)

i would prefer
if you rename your both files of your saved game

Civil2.sve into Civil2.sav
and
Civil2.map into Civil2.txt

...down here in this thread as attachment(s)? :thanx:

PLEASE describe the situation 'we have to expect'
when loading your file in CiV.1

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CivNet, WinCiv or CivDOS?
is what?
Look HERE --->
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2749779&postcount=5

What's your CivDOS.Version?
Look HERE --->
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2575470&postcount=16

CivDOS Version Differences
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=147869

HOW TO RENAME FiLE TYPES / EXTENSiONS / SUFFiXES
with winXP / win2000
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2764288&postcount=2

*.MAP editing at CivDOS files
TerraForm - MAP & GAME Editor for CIV.Dos
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=126921
MS Excel Script
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=2078&page=4

*.SVE editing at CiVDOS files
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=112297

Do you have an IDEA?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=105728&page=3

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infos in other places
civ faq - limitations
http://www.lilback.com/civilization/mp/civfaq3.html
civ faq - general
http://www.abware.net/memories/mpawa/games/civfaq.html
civ faq - bugs
http://www.lilback.com/civilization/mp/civfaq.txt

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...other places to look for Civ.Dos people
and invite them to come over here:

---> apolyton.net/forums//forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=149
---> abandonia.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=120&st=105
---> forum.freeciv.org/viewtopic.php?t=596

Pikachu · Nov 11, 2004

I had a funny error happen a while ago. When I destroyed the Great Library something strange happened. For example did the barbarians start to negotiate peace treaties :crazyeye:

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See the thread I posted about it for details: Great Library destruction. I posted the save game in that thread, so Ill just repost the link here: Save game, DOS version, not renamed

GoldBerg · Nov 11, 2004

Pikachu said:
I had a funny error happen a while ago. When I destroyed the Great Library something strange happened. For example did the barbarians start to negotiate peace treaties:
... (image) ...
See the thread I posted about it for details: Great Library destruction. I posted the save game in that thread, so Ill just repost the link here: Save game, DOS version, not renamed

errr... i had a ghost city a while ago and did delete the game...

the scenario looks very strange - is this industrialization in 800 B.C. ?
great.

i will look at it! :goodjob:

Pikachu · Nov 11, 2004

GoldBerg said:
the scenario looks very strange - is this industrialization in 800 B.C. ?

Well, the pollution didnt come from my industries. I guess I somehow triggered the infamous pollution bug. It is a kind of ancient industrialization anyway, as I mysteriously got the technologies needed to industrialize. When this bug was triggered I lost most of my technologies. As a replacement many modern technologies appeared instead, including a few future techs. That didnt do me much good though. It takes ages to build a bomber in an ancient city

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GoldBerg · Nov 11, 2004

Pikachu said:
Well, the pollution didnt come from my industries. I guess I somehow triggered the infamous pollution bug. It is a kind of ancient industrialization anyway, as I mysteriously got the technologies needed to industrialize. When this bug was triggered I lost most of my technologies. As a replacement many modern technologies appeared instead, including a few future techs. That didnt do me much good though. It takes ages to build a bomber in an ancient city.

let's discuss your scenario in it's own thread -->
Great Library destruction
otherwise other people perhaps won't post their game files here...
i am just playing and cheating
with your gamefile to find out
what is going on
there
by myself...

i am there ->
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=65669&page=3&pp=10

GoldBerg · Nov 17, 2004

Shift-56 CHEAT
Shift-56 (sometimes shift 1 to 8) cheat, only available in 474.01.
It was/is the player-test mode for Microprose play testers.

Refresh the map after pressing Shift 5-6 (or SHiFT + % + ^ + t + t)
(by moving the cursor or pressing t twice)
and you will see the map of the whole world.
You can click on the cities of other players and unfortify their troops
and sell their city improvements

F7 will show you the development profile of each civilization, showing you all their advances and allowing you to see if they have a vendetta against you.

F8 shows you the powergraph and allows you to see a replay up to that point.

F9 shows numbers representing the attack points, defense points, and 3 of the cities the computer uses to calculate battle, on each continent (along with giving the size of each continent in land squares.

F10 shows a complete world map.

The other function keys sometimes do their normal functions,
but they mess up the display a lot of the time...

Click to expand...
"SAVEGAME" CHEAT (save a game at critical phase or everytime, load the save game again and try any action again and again until the result satisfies you - for example the hut change to a city, you win the fight against an opponent ...and so on...)

The Save Game Cheat
Apart from the obvious reasons for saving regularly. It is well known that the computer cheats when it comes to World Wonders. They appear to be awarded randomly to any city the computer likes. If one gets awarded, it is possible to go back to your last save, and the chances are that it won't be awarded again for a while.

Another use for the save option is when you are having problems attacking your enemies because of an uncooperative senate.

* 1. Have a revolution
* 2. Attack whoever you wish
* 3. Save the game
* 4. Reload it
* 5. You will be prompted for the type of government you require

Click to expand...
"WATERBRiDGE" CHEAT (use a ship and up to 2 settlers to build railroad tracks on water -> additional trade/science/happy points on water squares)

The Settler/Railroad at Sea Cheat
Have a settler in a ship.
Command the ship to "U"nload.
Command the settler to "R"oad.
Click on the ship. (I'm assuming you have a mouse)
Click on the settler's icon in the pop-up, "waking up" the settler
Press some key or click elsewhere to clear the pop-up (I press "R")
Go back to the step of commanding the settler to "R"oad.
Once the settler completes a phase (road or rail) the ship underneath
it must move once, to make it willing to start again.
I find it best to use *two* settlers; for each sea square one builds
the road, the other builds the rail; then move the ship. With two ships
and a ship movement cheat (q.v.) there is no theoretical limit to how
much of the ocean can be railroaded in a single turn
---Bob O'Bob

Click to expand...
SETTLER CHEAT (start any 'settler action' over & over again until (for example)
the road is build, the hills change to mines, the jungle change to grassland, the grassland is irrigated in one turn)

The Settler Cheat
Most settler functions take from 2 to 12 turns to accomplish. Any of them can be accomplished in one turn by putting the settler a square, pressing R or M or I or whatever, clicking on the settler to make it blink again (which seemingly aborts the function) and pressing R again. Keep repeating this process until the road or irrigation is finished. If you turn on the End-of-Turn feature, this helps you perform the desired function in one turn. Otherwise you could just keep some nearby piece blinking so that the turn doesn't end before you've milked the cheat for all it's worth. Irrigating swamp takes 10 or 11 turns so this cheat is real handy.

Click to expand...
TERRAFORM CHEATS
will be detected. don't use TERRAFORM to cheat!!!

the reason(s) to name these cheats is
you just might guess that some contestants/opponents did use -for example- the savegame cheat or settler cheat, but that's all...
so everyone may use these cheats - if you don't, you may lose -
don't come around here complaining: 'i do not cheat, blah blah blah...'
you have to savegame cheat, settler-one-turn cheat , maybe waterbridge...
Period. :king:

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anyway

You may switch to another tribe
to start as any tribe you can select
at
Warlord | Prince | King | Empereor
Level

comfortably
with this win3.** | win95 | win98(se) | winME
compatible windows -FREEWARE- CivDOS Game editor (released 1993)
located here --->
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2329391&postcount=24
(please save the game first within your CivDOS.1
to change the size of the file to 'normal') ...

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trada said:
... ...
... huge in what way? Did you figure out a way to make the map bigger?

no - it's as earth in size.
everything's earthlike here with the difference,
that the other tribes won't kill each other the first 1000/2000 years (or so)
and develop cities and technologies before they fight each other.

your chance is to go

1. as fast as possible to catch some french cities to expand
or
2. wait and develop knowledge and money (not TOO long...

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the other AI tribe civs will grow HUGE ...

the only chance here is strategy.

i suggest this as GOTM ( = Game of the Month December 2005 )

1. goal: survive 'til 1750 AD :lol:

2. goal: WiN against the other CiVFANATiC members by

a)
score / percentage at 1750 AD ?

b)
# of 'english' inhabitants at 1750 AD ?

discuss?

GoldBerg · Dec 6, 2004

Shift-56
or
shift 1 to 8
or
"%" and "^" and "t" and "t"
cheat,

only available in 474.01

the test mode for Microprose beta game testers.

... you will see the map of the 'whole world'.

You can click on the cities of other players and unfortify their troops and sell their city improvements

F7
will show you the development profile of each civilization, showing you all their advances and allowing you to see if they have a vendetta against you.

F8
shows you the powergraph and allows you to see a replay up to that point.

F9
shows numbers representing the attack points, defense points, and 3 of the cities the computer uses to calculate battle, on each continent (along with giving the size of each continent in land squares.

F10
shows a complete world map.

The other function keys sometimes do their normal functions,
but they mess up the display a lot of the time.

Zwelgje · Dec 6, 2004

Ok, I'll post some.
Both saves are for winciv.

First is a maxgame I did a few years ago IIRC. At chieftan level and just put cities everywhere and well, it's really boring to do but you get a huge score and 200,000,000 citizens or something like that. Here it is
Further a recent emperor level game which in the saved game is at a stage in which I've killed all oponents on my island. I've expanded, build 20 cities and now am destroying the French. All others followed later. I believe it shows my tactic nicely: build knights and sails and start the rampage.

The sav is attached:

GoldBerg · Jan 1, 2005

Zwelgje said:
Ok, I'll post some.
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first a big 'thankyou' for this.
i can't play it at the moment but i will look when i have the time to install everything again.

i think i will do a linklist here to "MAP" & "SVE" content in other CiV.1 threads here in forum.

i start with the 2 threads that are inspired by this one:

GoldbergFile001
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=108529

GoldbergFile002
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=108537

if you remember "MAP" & "SVE"/"SAV" files in other CiV.1 threads please help and post them here...

GoldBerg · Jan 6, 2005

list of civ.1 savegames added in
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2327181

lio45 · Feb 17, 2005

I have some pretty nice saved games. I'll show them to you guys.

Many of them have a very interesting particularity. Let me explain how it all began. I'm curious to see if there are any others who know of this.

One day, years ago (I was still running a DOS), I mistakenly chose "Earth" from the main menu (I wanted to load the game I was playing at the time). That was before the days of alt+tab, so it wasn't easy to bail out of Civ to restart. I didn't want to reboot, so I decided to just pick a civ and let myself be wiped out. I chose the English, sentried my settlers unit on its tiny island without founding, and started pressing "enter" repeatedly until some foreign ship would kill me. I was at the Emperor level, so I figured out it'd be quick enough. I kept pressing enter.

After a while (no color had been wiped out yet), I got the "Civil War" message you get when a big civ loses its capital and at least one of the seven colors is free... The Indians had just lost Delhi, and the rebels were going to be played by the...Greeks. Pressing enter, I found myself in control of several ex-Indian cities and units, scattered all over the place, with only the areas immediately around them explored. I had a palace in Bombay, all the techs the Indians had, and some money! What had happened: since I had no money, no real units, and no cities, I was considered a nonexistent civ, and therefore I was free to play the role of the "rebels" for another civ!!! I still have a copy of this game only a couple turns after I got control of part of the Indian empire (yes, I'll show you).

For the record, that particular game is a lot of fun to play from that exact point! It's at Emperor, and the Zulus (they, along with the Russians, are always powerful in Earth games) are totally in the process of kicking the Indians' butts when the now-Greek (ex-English) player is given the Indian leftovers. (Being a very good Civ player, it didn't take me time to reverse that! I survived, and ultimately got rid of those annoying Zulus!)

Now, the interesting part: I figured out that this was something I could reproduce. You take a civ, found a city, discover MapMaking, build a settlers and trireme, go far away (towards one of the two poles), stop on some continent on the way (it needs to be far away from your only city), found a city, buy the settlers to destroy that city (at that point, you might want to sell your palace to finance it). If it's far enough from your other city, the settlers will belong to "NONE". Get it aboard the trireme, sail to the closest pole, and abandon the settlers there. Disband everything you have except the settlers, and lose your city. You are now ready : cross your fingers, and press enter repeatedly. (Save the game right before doing that)

If you're lucky, at some point in the game, a "Civil War" will happen. Depending on your color, you'll be chosen to play the rebels. (The higher you are in the color ladder, the more likely you are to be taken ; if you're white, it's going to be you). Of course, to maximise your chances, you'll have taken the Romans or Russians, but it's not mandatory. I've done it with many different colors, just for the sake of it.

If it doesn't happen, reload and try again. After a few tries (it's really quick to try when all you have to do is press enter, so make sure to try at least a few times), if it doesn't work, then the map / starting spots of the civs of that particular game are probably so that the probability of a big civ's capital being taken is small, so you'll want to start over.

The "Civil War" actually happens quite often, more than one would think. I'd say once in every, maybe, 5-10 tries, so 2-3 startovers. (About one game (starting layout) out of 2 or 3 has good potential for a Civil War)

I have many Civil War games... I'd say at least 5 or 6, from memory. They're all saved right after the player got control of the rebels, except for the first English/Greek game (I didn't realize the need to keep that game until after a couple turns). Most of them are an interesting challenge, since you're usually given a crumbling civ with a powerful enemy nearby that's out to get you (the civ that just captured the capital).

They're saved somewhere. I'll find them, and give them to you.

Sorry for that huge post, but I had to explain the context. I hope you find those games interesting!

trada · Feb 18, 2005

That. Rocks.

lio45 · Feb 21, 2005

Here's one of them. (Civil0.sav = Civil0.sve , and Civil0.txt = Civil0.map)

Year : 1864 AD

Level : King

Player : Egyptians (formerly Aztecs), a.k.a. Russian rebels

Situation : Moscow just fell to some unknown civ, and your people don't feel like being Russian anymore. You're in charge of a new civ! You've wisely chosen your capital as far-away-in-northern-snow Smolensk, a bustling metropolis inhabited by 30,000 ex-Russians, now proud Egyptians (size 2). You have glorious legions and catapults (well, at least you have Gunpowder too) to oppose to your French and Greek friends' armors and bombers. Will the Russian rebels last?

Notice that your ex-capital Tenochtitlan (in another life) now lives happily in 1864 AD under Greek rule as the world's #3 city. Will you be able to eventually reclaim it?

Have fun!

lio45 · Feb 21, 2005

I forgot to mention my Civilization version (is that really important anyway?). Good old 1991 DOS version. Hope it works for you!

GoldBerg · Feb 22, 2005

lio45 said:
I forgot to mention my Civilization version (is that really important anyway?). Good old 1991 DOS version. ... ...

well that's not what i did try to ask... :sad:

please take a look at your CiV.1.DOS start screen
THAT version number (in case of ERRORS/BUGS)
(in this case: 474.05) --->

Code:

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
¦                                                                            ¦
¦                    CIVILIZATION (TM) - Version 474.05                      ¦
¦                                                                            ¦
¦                  From those civilized guys at MPS Labs.                    ¦
¦                                                                            ¦
¦    Program & Audio-visual Copyright (C) 1991 by MicroProse Software,Inc.,  ¦
¦                            All Rights Reserved.                            ¦
¦                                                                            ¦
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+


.                          Select graphics mode:                             .

                           1) VGA (256 color)
                           2) MCGA (256 color)
                           3) EGA (16 color)
                           4) Tandy 1000 (16 color)

...next (important) points:
is it

CiVDos (the original one -see screen above- )
CiVNet
WinCiv ("Civilization for Windows")

(...all basically Civ.1 games...
but different save games and incompatible one to another...)

GoldBerg · Feb 22, 2005

lio45 said:
Here's one of them. (Civil0.sav = Civil0.sve , and Civil0.txt = Civil0.map)

Year : 1864 AD
Level : King
Player : Egyptians (formerly Aztecs), a.k.a. Russian rebels

Situation : Moscow just fell to some unknown civ, and your people don't feel like being Russian anymore. You're in charge of a new civ! You've wisely chosen your capital as far-away-in-northern-snow Smolensk, a bustling metropolis inhabited by 30,000 ex-Russians, now proud Egyptians (size 2). You have glorious legions and catapults (well, at least you have Gunpowder too) to oppose to your French and Greek friends' armors and bombers. Will the Russian rebels last?

Notice that your ex-capital Tenochtitlan (in another life) now lives happily in 1864 AD under Greek rule as the world's #3 city. Will you be able to eventually reclaim it?

well this is interesting! :goodjob:

if you fake-"switch" civilizations (with CivEd 1.4
preview:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=73765
description & (freeware) program download:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2329391&postcount=24)

...the result is the same as
when you become a rebel civ.
i did switch
to
french
babylonian
and greek civ to test it ...

the egyptians are a little hopeless in this szenario because
france, babylon and greek civ all are at nuclear, armor and bombers...

and egypt is "equipped" with musketeers...

GoldBerg · Feb 22, 2005

lio45 said:
... ...One day, years ago (I was still running a DOS), I mistakenly chose "Earth" from the main menu (I wanted to load the game I was playing at the time). That was before the days of alt+tab, so it wasn't easy to bail out of Civ to restart. I didn't want to reboot, so I decided to just pick a civ and let myself be wiped out. I chose the English, sentried my settlers unit on its tiny island without founding, and started pressing "enter" repeatedly until some foreign ship would kill me. I was at the Emperor level, so I figured out it'd be quick enough. I kept pressing enter.

After a while (no color had been wiped out yet), I got the "Civil War" message you get when a big civ loses its capital and at least one of the seven colors is free... The Indians had just lost Delhi, and the rebels were going to be played by the...Greeks. Pressing enter, I found myself in control of several ex-Indian cities and units, scattered all over the place, with only the areas immediately around them explored. I had a palace in Bombay, all the techs the Indians had, and some money! What had happened: since I had no money, no real units, and no cities, I was considered a nonexistent civ, and therefore I was free to play the role of the "rebels" for another civ
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i have to 'try this out' too... :lol:

lio45 · Feb 23, 2005

They're not hopeless. It's hard, but possible. I'm currently doing it - with absolutely no cheating.

Of course, if you want to survive, the mandatory first step is to capture Moscow (it's easy) ASAP. Then... well, depends on what you're going to try.

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Just curious. I've never used an editor, or any cheat codes, or just anything that would alter the normal course of a Civ game... so, is there any way you can tell that this Egyptians game is "real"? (I know there's at least one proof: if you survive long enough to see the replay, you'll see that the yellow civ ceases to exist, and that the "yellow" cities that were never captured are...white...)

lio45 · Feb 23, 2005

GoldBerg said:
i have to 'try this out' too...

If you want to save yourself some time, I've kept games I call "seeds".

They're games in which the civ/continents layout is such that a civil war is reasonably likely to happen, and in which the "NONE" settlers units is already in place, and everything else is disbanded. I'll give one to you (let me find them first) so you should be able to experience it fairly quickly.

Example of a good "seed": a game with large continents, placed far apart, with single civs on them (so that civs will have time to grow big before getting attacked) and, ideally, with some capitals of "peaceful civs" placed at locations where boats from "aggressive civs" (Russians, Mongols...) from other continents are likely to first land.

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