Walter E Kurtz
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Thanks Acken, I'll definately check it out.
Budweiser Challenge for basic civ5. (only GK and BNW needed)
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This is pretty educational, but one thing that I'd love to see is good video on a more traditional start. One without the huge 500 free gold and all kinds of salt, to see how to build up in more realistic situations.
It is pretty awesome to see all those early wonders, while taking advantage of a good start, but I'd also be quite interested in seeing how you handle a more normal start.
Acken
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If I can remember it after my current vacations I'll do that on one of the few civ I don't have the achievement or if someone posts another challenge.
I "sadly" can't for the next 2 weeks.
Meanwhile, Moriarte would be my go to Deity let's player if I had to pick one. Especially if you're into learning deity Domination
I "sadly" can't for the next 2 weeks.
Meanwhile, Moriarte would be my go to Deity let's player if I had to pick one. Especially if you're into learning deity Domination
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Fish Man
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The screenshots highlight exactly the type of problem I have with my gameplay. I can't grow my cities very much; it usually stagnates around 20 pop, even in "really good" city spots like where you settled Moscow. In good city spots, like where you settled those other cities, I can't seem to get pop above 15-pop barrier like you. I'd really want to learn how to make humongous 40-pop cities fast like Acken or somebody else. Anyone have any advice? Caravans don't give much food and gpt suffers if I do; how do people get so much good.
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FOOD!! I am certainly not the one to ask about Growth!! Did you see KBs cap at 47 pop 1 turn from 48 when he won the game. KB, Acken, and others can give you much better advice on growth. I never worry about feeding my people. Starve those peasants (pee-ons) I say!! On a serious note I went Liberty this game so you know... those guys went Tradition which will always outgrow Liberty by the thousands! I can tell you this. I was running food to my cap and St. Petersburg like crazy. At times I had 3 Caravans going to one or the other or both at times lol! I really wanted St. Petersburg to grow as much as possible since I had Petra in there and all those desert mines! The other two cities I could of made bigger but didn't need it. I couldn't work any more hexes anyway and instead of running food cargo ships to each other I opted for the GOLD! I was over +700gpt for some time.
20 pop is really low (on good games maybe early t100s my cap will surpass that);
Once your city gets past the really early game, there is no point in using the production focus anymore since those extra hammers upon growth is pretty insignificant.
There's a magic button called food focus. Click it.
I grew Moscow to 47 at t260+ using only 2 caravans and swords to plowshares belief despite passing up on some apples for hammers for wonderwhoring the whole game. There's no reason you can't do the same with river-rich cities.
When you want to rush a wonder, or just build things in general a bit faster, lock down hill gold/iron mines or whatever. Unlock them once your capitol does not need to hurry (hey I don't need that opera house in 3 turns if architecture is not going to be done in 5 turns for example); also run N# of non-science specialists only when your capitol is at least 20+N size is a rule of thumb I use (changes every game though depending on the terrain).
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I finished on turn 280, CV. In this game, Rome/France went haywire, Atilla conquered too much land; Ramses and Morocco got short end of the stick - quite different from what anyone else had.
I made the crucial mistake of not building musicians' guild until later - my fpt was more than high enough to net me 3 GMs (I planted 2 GPs before using following 2 for religion - guess that really helped). BTW, what's the approximate amount of tourism in which you can start performing with GMs?
The major gripe I have with this game is why I finished so late, despite having such a blessed start: skill dorado + friends with half the cs on continent after clearing 2 encampments + pottery AND writing from ruins = t280 finish? Not sure how, even after numerous food caravans and food ships, my cities are still so small. And why I finished like 75 turns later than Acken. I have screenies and saves; anyone care to take a look and give some advice?
I made the crucial mistake of not building musicians' guild until later - my fpt was more than high enough to net me 3 GMs (I planted 2 GPs before using following 2 for religion - guess that really helped). BTW, what's the approximate amount of tourism in which you can start performing with GMs?
The major gripe I have with this game is why I finished so late, despite having such a blessed start: skill dorado + friends with half the cs on continent after clearing 2 encampments + pottery AND writing from ruins = t280 finish? Not sure how, even after numerous food caravans and food ships, my cities are still so small. And why I finished like 75 turns later than Acken. I have screenies and saves; anyone care to take a look and give some advice?
Spoiler :
I decided to play this map for the first time today. Wow, things are going great. I'm going to have my research facilities by turn 180. I'm earning about 100 faith a turn, and have about 8 CS's. This may end up my fastest win yet. I chose to save at the point where CV and SV choices start to differ. I plan to play it for both outcomes. I also saved at the choice of Order vs Freedom for my science victory game.
The game took a few turns longer than it should have, as I was waiting 5 turns after having all the tech's ready to win. I guess I waited too long to bulb to Apollo, but it still was my fastest SV to date at t238. I lost a couple turns due to not having enough Aluminum too. I think next time I'll make sure to get recycle centers if I'm not going to have any aluminum. It didn't help that Rome DoW on me. I had to upgrade a bunch of units, so I couldn't buy a as many parts, but he was a joke when he came at me with musket men, while I had infantry.
I plan to go back for a crack at CV.
I plan to go back for a crack at CV.
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Moriarte hasn't uploaded videos this entire year, unfortunately. Also, he makes heavy usage of Pledge to Protect + Consulates, and I started playing way after it was nerfed...
This map is so sweet for CV, though. Can't wait to try.
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I think you could have won even in under 200 turns. Also, if you do go to the Internet, you have to wait 8 turns to get the desired effect. Unlike great scientists or engineers, great musicians have a static tourism output -- which is what your civ had produced in the past 8 turns -- at the turn they are created. Rush-buying them right after the Internet gives no benefit. You probably know that, but I just wanted to be instructional.
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Acken is extremely efficient and opportunistic. His worker-stealing hurt Rome early, then he hit golden age exactly at HG/Petra/Parthenon time. When Caesar started running away with culture, he dow'ed him right after researching machinery and took Rome because it gave another food caravan to Moscow plus it could grow very rapidly and had jungle tiles, thus producing huge science output. When Egypt started running away, he bribed Napoleon to fight Ramses. Then he stole a bunch of natural heritage from Morocco, but they became friends (peculiar
). Finally, he rushed Astronomy and Rationalism and bulbed GW to rush Secularism and solidify his lead, then he bulbed GS's at particular times to get through the tech tree in record times for a CV. There were other tricks like founding and selling cities because of luxuries that Moscow demanded or to bomb with musicians. His strategies seem to consistently yield fast victories, and I think that's because of his early investment in workers and food trade routes for growth. He also has precise timing for policies when he pushes culture and for techs when he bulbs.
But I must say that the user interface enhancer is so helpful with that... I only learned about it from his videos, and it makes a huge impact because of how much information you get from it. It's simply amazing.
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