DG5CC1 ~ Trial Poll ~ The People vs Chieftess

Cyc · Sep 30, 2004

President Chieftess has been accused of violating Article D of the Constitution by Minister Black_Hole. Do you feel that she is guilty of this Charge? Please vote YES, NO, or ABSTAIN.

Pertinent discussion can be found in the Investigation Thread.

This Trial Poll will remain open for 48 hours.

Rik Meleet · Sep 30, 2004

For your convenience: Article D:

Code:

Article D. The Executive branch is responsible for determining 
and implementing the will of the People. It is headed
by the President who shall be the primary Designated 
Player. The President shall take direction from a 
council of leaders and from other elected and appointed 
officials via the turnchat instruction thread. The President
shall be tasked with control of worker actions.....

Strider · Sep 30, 2004

Not Guilty, not enough proof, the case was handled badly, and the information that was used to prove her as being guilty was not checked for forgery.

Black_Hole · Sep 30, 2004

Strider said:
Not Guilty, not enough proof, the case was handled badly, and the information that was used to prove her as being guilty was not checked for forgery.

dont give that forgery crap
its not a forgery, we provided links to everything!!! this included the chatlogs, turnchat thread, and the poll
anyway its the defenses job to state wether the stuff is forgery, i didnt see you do that....
we have loads of evidence! we all know she is guilt, the main thing is how she did it

Strider · Sep 30, 2004

Black_Hole said:
dont give that forgery crap
its not a forgery, we provided links to everything!!! this included the chatlogs, turnchat thread, and the poll
anyway its the defenses job to state wether the stuff is forgery, i didnt see you do that....
we have loads of evidence! we all know she is guilt, the main thing is how she did it

It's not the defense's job to do anything except present there case. Regretably, under our current system, anyone can magic some crap out of there butt it'll count as legal evidence.

Black_Hole · Sep 30, 2004

Strider said:
It's not the defense's job to do anything except present there case.

if the defense thinks evidence is a forgery the prosecution isnt gonna check, duh!

blackheart · Sep 30, 2004

Strider said:
It's not the defense's job to do anything except present there case. Regretably, under our current system, anyone can magic some crap out of there butt it'll count as legal evidence.

And under our current system anything that counts as legal evidence can be said to be crap.

I voted abstain, trials give me a headache.

Strider · Sep 30, 2004

Black_Hole said:
if the defense thinks evidence is a forgery the prosecution isnt gonna check, duh!

Oh, it's just the prosecutions job is to present there case also. Who should do it? Nobody should be forced to. That's why we should set a limit ONLY to the offcial chatlog, forum posts, and saves. Polls should not count as a legal prosecution or defense because they can be misleading in many circumstances.

Black_Hole · Sep 30, 2004

Strider said:
Oh, it's just the prosecutions job is to present there case also. Who should do it? Nobody should be forced to. That's why we should set a limit ONLY to the offcial chatlog, forum posts, and saves. Polls should not count as a legal prosecution or defense because they can be misleading in many circumstances.

what is your problem against polls? if you had your way there wouldnt be polls

Strider · Sep 30, 2004

I plead to everyone to vote NO on this case. For several reasons:

The Case was handled badly
This poll was made before proper discussion could take place, there was not enough time to examine all factors of the case, and it has been over all, unfair towards CT. Tell me, should we punish someone who's guilt is questionable? No we should not, we need more time to examine the evidence and find actually, reliable, proof that CT was guilty or innoncent.

Not Enough Proof
There is not enough proof even to make a trial, much less a sentencing poll. There is several circumstances inwhich CT would be innocent, which has yet to be disproved, or even proved for that matter. There is not enough evidence against CT to find her guilty.

Use of questionable evidence to find her guilty
The evidence used against CT has yet to be proved to be factual. There was a span of about 2 minutes that could make this case swing one way or the other, it would be extremely easy for someone to change a time around.

Case was biased from the start
The case was presented, by the judiciary, against CT from the start. The case was not handled fairly, and as such it would be unfair towards CT to condemn her.

Judiciary failed to give CT the chance to defend herself
By crediting people who posted, before CT could make a proper defense for herself, the judiciary failed to allow her to give a proper presentation of her innocence. With several people posting against her, CT was unable to properly reply and defend herself.

Cyc · Sep 30, 2004

Gentlemen, please stop. If you feel like bickering at each other please do it in the Investigation Thread. This is a Trial Poll. Please leave your discussion out of it. If I were still Chief Justice, I would say...

ORDER IN THE COURT!!!

Strider · Sep 30, 2004

Black_Hole said:
what is your problem against polls? if you had your way there wouldnt be polls

If I had my way there would be more polls. I just do not believe they are reliable enough to be used as factual evidence in any coutrt precedings.

I also believe that they should not be used as legal instructions.

eyrei · Sep 30, 2004

If the judiciary has no objections, I would like to close this thread while leaving the poll open if I can...

mhcarver · Sep 30, 2004

though I cannot speak for President Chieftess or Public Defender KCcrusader I have no objections do what you have to do

Civanator · Sep 30, 2004

please do eyrei...

Black_Hole · Sep 30, 2004

eyrei if u do close the thread, please delete all posts except the first one and second one if possible
this is to make it an even footing for the offense and defense

Strider · Sep 30, 2004

Black_Hole said:
eyrei if u do close the thread, please delete all posts except the first one and second one if possible
this is to make it an even footing for the offense and defense

Make it even more unfair?
:rolleyes:

blackheart · Sep 30, 2004

Strider said:
Make it even more unfair?

Maybe CT will speak for herself about this matter.

Strider · Sep 30, 2004

blackheart said:
Maybe CT will speak for herself about this matter.

Oh, I already started to solve it. I sent a judicial review to the Term 3 judiciary over the matter.

KCCrusader · Oct 1, 2004

I will support that eyrei. People can take it to the investigation thread.

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YES

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