KISS Term 4

Hellos
sixpackholiday: is it g'morning perhaps?
fe3333au: Hey hey hey
sixpackholiday: my my my
fe3333au: no midnight in 3 minutes
sixpackholiday: rock n roll is never gonna die

How the TNT letter
fe3333au: any response from your letter to TNT?
sixpackholiday: haven't checked ... you mean the "Bugsy poem"
fe3333au: Not sure ... the send us Masonry or we will send a picture of your capital to Nuts
sixpackholiday: nothing in da box
fe3333au: either way you get Masonry in turn 65
sixpackholiday: yeah that was his. very funny piece
fe3333au: either from us or TNT
sixpackholiday: yup ... whompie had a piece on that...brb

Embassy Legality
sixpackholiday: i got a bit confused on the embassy screenie is illegal thing. have we sorted that one out...?
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: good
fe3333au: You suggested for us to open one with Nuts and then we swap ... so that you would spend less ... That would have been illegal as you already had the screenie

Reference to KISS having lots of cash
fe3333au: Bloody cost you a heap of cash though?

Continue
sixpackholiday: you mean in reference to our relationship, not to ruleset
fe3333au: to ruleset ... I know swapping is ok ... but you wanted us to open an embassy when you already had it ... anyway ... not an issue now
sixpackholiday: still don't see how that could've been against the ruleset...anyway, i handled it like we hadn't open any because that was the standing then. we thought we had but they "disappeared":-\
fe3333au: but you still had the screenies ... since turn 61 ... or am I wrong about that
sixpackholiday: yep and we didn't know what to do with them lol

Getting Intel on Timeline
fe3333au: so whats new ... when will Republic be ready?
sixpackholiday: don't know, have to check ... haven't been turnplayer 4 a while
fe3333au: any rough guess?
sixpackholiday: 25-30, very rough ... gimme 5 and i'll check it out

Subject changed but not too well
sixpackholiday: you haven't sent any list of contacts. could you do that?
fe3333au: sure just finalising my team ... atm Kentharu and Classical_Hero are on call ...
sixpackholiday: great
sixpackholiday: i think you got some of ours
fe3333au: Peter_Grimes may be available in a fortnightish ... I will let you know if he is available
sixpackholiday: k

Lightbulb ... whole team list
fe3333au: But you mean whole team didn't you?
sixpackholiday: yes
fe3333au: sorry misunderstood ... and I will do this soon ... we find it difficult to work out who is active in team ... We recently got another player ... he has not shown himself though
sixpackholiday: activity has decreased some after cIV but i feel we have a steady 20 posting on and off ... but some you've never seen
fe3333au: We still only 8ish
sixpackholiday: oh my, that was few ... quality not quantity
fe3333au: yes ... we ended with not many in team ... but those that are active are very dedicated
sixpackholiday: that's cool, a small but hard core

back to republic
fe3333au: So while we wait for you to tell me about Republic ... I will tell you some gossip
sixpackholiday: i think this demo gaming is suited only for a smaller sub clientel of civvers, heh

sixpackholiday: keep telling...all ears

Republic
sixpackholiday: looks like we have 33 turns left on rep. Hows MM going?
fe3333au: MM very soon ...

<Yes I lied but want go ahead for swap conditions>

fe3333au: 1 or 2 ... but we been researching flatout ... what you got your level set to?
sixpackholiday: quite low IIRC, slow burn
fe3333au: anyway ... upto you

<I proposae to NOT give KISS Map Making before we get Republic>

War Stories
fe3333au: But we got gossip from Battle Isle
sixpackholiday: shoot, powa graph says TNT in trouble
sixpackholiday: nUts got HBR in just in time
fe3333au: decimated by Nuts attack ... they already had HBR ... and upgraded just before Immortals wandered down ... then BANG ... killed all 3 of them
sixpackholiday: I heard whomp say something bout that. he had words w RobiD ... way cool
fe3333au: yes we talked today too
sixpackholiday: Robi was pissed cause TNT spoiled winning chanse 4 both of them

Open about our overseas dealings
fe3333au: getting HBR from them
sixpackholiday: u get HBR from Nutties?
fe3333au: yep ... already told Whomp ... for Maths ... which we got from TNT
sixpackholiday: what was that pic of inner workings of Nuts that you told TNT about? That got me thinking u had established...
fe3333au: Was a ploy to get them onside ... my letter was formal but also no nonscense ... sorry ment to say informal ... they liked photo and went for trade on our terms
sixpackholiday: oh, so it was a joke pic?
fe3333au: not saying that photo sold them ... but made them act friendly ... Yes ... Homer Xray are you talking about ?
sixpackholiday: aha, yes i've seen that somewhere
fe3333au: Classical Hero dug it up from somewhere ... Perfect for someone at war with doughnuts
sixpackholiday: heh

Provo
sixpackholiday: i kinda miss PWE though
fe3333au: Yes has he left ... Robi thinks he has
sixpackholiday: not participating?
fe3333au: we don't know ... maybe he is not allowed to post on UN thread ... been gagged ... like Igor is sometimes
sixpackholiday: good 4 them....Igor, LOL
fe3333au: Anyway Donsig is in charge ... your mate
sixpackholiday: Well he seems a reasonable albeit dryish guy ... my mate...heh, philosophically speaking ... but he never got personal
fe3333au: Yes Philospophically ... He wrote a letter that showed humour to us
sixpackholiday: i think, in one of our teams he would be an asset
fe3333au: yes
sixpackholiday: as goes for most of players ... if you keep some distance

Strategy ... trying to fish somethings from them
fe3333au: I'm hopeless at strategy ... so am learning heaps from the big boys in MIA ... I would have built temples as soon as i could ... but most people hate temples
sixpackholiday: spot on ... you have to have a mix of experts att MM'ing, game mechanichs and psychology here
fe3333au: and settler factories is new to me in practice ... like you have 2 of them I reccon
sixpackholiday: only downside w MTDG is the slow tempo ... settler factories are coooool
fe3333au: and I have never bothered with F-11 or F-8 screens
sixpackholiday: me neother but you know who has a lot
fe3333au: Tubby
sixpackholiday: yup ... he spits out graphs, charts and spreadsheets like nothing
fe3333au: graphs ... man that's good

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Whomp said:

Hey Dude,
Just a fyi. TNT denied our request for masonry so you can send it this turn.
Bernardo

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We already are my friend ... would have automatically sent even if TNT wanted to play ball

cheers

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fe3333au: Hi
KC Venters: what's up

Masonry
fe3333au: You got Masonry ok?
KC Venters: yes thanks
KC Venters: grahamiam is playing now
fe3333au: cool

Gossip about Nuts and TNT
KC Venters: confirmed with Robi from D'nut that TNT is NOT in a golden age ... D'nut killed 3 immortals on a hill
fe3333au: Yes I passed that onto Dags ...

Republic slooow issue ... First Try
fe3333au: Just wondering will you be speeding up your Republic research soon?

GA Talk too juicy
KC Venters: now d'nut is in a GA since they used a MW
fe3333au: Sure they are? ... He didn't say anything
KC Venters: if they win a battle with a MW then their GA starts automatically
fe3333au: Oh I thought there was a persentage ... thatnks for clearing up
KC Venters: nope a UU win starts it
fe3333au: It was a happy day for Robi ... he just needed to tell everyone LOL

Play acting to keep Green Alliance hidden
KC Venters: I acted like we didn't like you guys
fe3333au: us too
KC Venters: nice
fe3333au: I think I called you names

Republic research level set .. sorry
KC Venters: Republic can't be sped up too much

<Damn ... the fishing is good today>

Back to keeping Greens secret ... name calling
KC Venters: I refrained in case it got back to you
fe3333au: refrained telling us? ... naughty
KC Venters: no refrained from calling you names ... I can call you a name if you feel it is necessary

Republic slow means Gold up
fe3333au: Explains the Embassies LOL ...

<Dangle Bait>

fe3333au: So ... 33 turns is a long time to wait though

<Lull them>

fe3333au: especially as we have MM
KC Venters: hmm

<Hooked !!! >
fe3333au: exactly
KC Venters: let me discuss something with our team and we might be able to work something out
fe3333au: We onto Lit now
KC Venters: I think that it is too late to speed up Republic now
fe3333au: sure we await with baited breath

Change Subject ... let it sink in
fe3333au: Does Daghie post our convos?
KC Venters: no not usually ... some members find them tedious
fe3333au: I see ... cos I have record all our convos ... and assume if I tell him something it is passed on
KC Venters: if it is pertainent then he does pass them on ... or changes our current plans
fe3333au: k
KC Venters: but manuscripts don't get passed on
fe3333au: It just explains that Whomp not knowing we had CoL from a popping

Topic of Embassies
KC Venters: can you find out how much an embassy is for you guys? ... to D'nut? ... & TNT
fe3333au: 50 ... 60 ... respectively
KC Venters: are you guys planning on building an embassy?

Sometimes it's like a script
fe3333au: However we have been flatout researching as we thought you were and have no spare cash ... I am strong advocate for embassies and like the idea of gaining the knowledge
KC Venters: are you guys running negative gpt?

Cash to build an embassy for them ... No way Buddy
KC Venters: what would you guys like for MM? ... right now I mean
fe3333au: 1 sec phone call ... keep suggesting and thinking

<Give time to mull ... 5 minutes Later>

fe3333au: back sorry

What better for MIA ... so cut the Bull mate
fe3333au: well we want Republic quicker than 33 ... we can get it in 27 ... and that's starting from scratch ... why you need all that cash

... and I though keeping Green Alliance a Secret was important
fe3333au: Another thing is to keep our relationship secret ... Nuts have already told me that you are reearching Republic
KC Venters: yes ... silence is golden with the relationship
fe3333au: so they would know that you have traded with us ... say that again ... we used that opportunity to call you bad things when Robi told us LOL
KC Venters: don't let the nuts know about our relationship is key here

Therefore if secret to be kept then ...
fe3333au: so you must speed up research ... why you need cash now sooo bad?
KC Venters: hang on one minute
fe3333au: I am open to any ideas KISS have on this
KC Venters: I'm checking with gram... he's playing right now
fe3333au: take your time

Looks like research rate can be sped up after all
KC Venters: I'm trying to find out how fast we can get Republic
fe3333au: k
KC Venters: he's not answering... must be involved in MMing....

KC Venters: ok he just got back with me ... 20 turns right now
fe3333au: I am up so this can take time as far as I am concerned ... late for you though

Republic from 33 to 20 max ... wow soft concrete
KC Venters: maybe a few less with growth ... is that acceptable?

Now the other matter of dividing our Continent
fe3333au: So to keep things hidden ... should we wait for the swap and you guys stockpile settlers for transportation? ... That would keep our relationship hidden from Nuts
KC Venters: hmm
fe3333au: or do you propose another scanario ... cos we are also desparate to trade with you
KC Venters: we really wanted some warriors over there scouting
fe3333au: Well it is too suspect to give it to you too early with no acceptible excuse ... especially as you got Masonry this turn

Good try Tubby ... but
KC Venters: well TNT thinks that we might have gotten it from D'nut
fe3333au: Not TNT I'm concerned about
KC Venters: wait on maps ... but MM gives us an opportunity to share our wine
fe3333au: But Republic sped up is better for all of us me thinks ... yes?
KC Venters: but we can discuss that later ... yes

Yeah Yeah Yeah ... Change Subject again before next ...
fe3333au: I am just reading our turn report ... I may have intel for you
KC Venters: due tell
fe3333au: something about a barb camp near one of your cities ... you aware of it?
KC Venters: Senilityville?
fe3333au: don't know just looking
KC Venters: we know that there are a couple out there ... we are working on a solution to rid ourselves of the barbarian horde
fe3333au: this from our Curragh
KC Venters: ah ... yes there is one there too
fe3333au: sorry have no further details

Bloody Barb Nests ... thanks for location detail
fe3333au: We found one as well ... bloody things
KC Venters: yes

Open to other plans
fe3333au: anyway ... I'll bring this up in our thread and maybe we come up with a way to still remain hidden from Nuts ... and send MM sooner to you
KC Venters: no worries ... I'm off to bed .... 5:00AM comes awefully early

Just before bed another strike
fe3333au: and you don't settle south past that swampy jungle putrid section ... ie our half of our peaceful land

<1 minute>

fe3333au: that cool?
KC Venters: I'm not in charge of city planning but I'll convey it to him
fe3333au: k ... have a good night ... and I awit eagerly any continued discusion
fe3333au: cya
KC Venters: nite
KC Venters signed off at 2:44:20 PM.

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<basically about how chats are not often posted on their thread ... and hence not everyone has the full picture when chatting ... the trouble with these anachists >

Retell about Maths deal
fe3333au: good I was beginning to worry
bawhomp: They didn't post the conversation but I see that you have it
fe3333au: ok ... we purchased Maths for WC, CB and Wheel ... + 12gp
bawhomp: ok i don't see the email
fe3333au: then swapped HBR for Maths with Nuts
bawhomp: nice
fe3333au: no e-mail ... was chat
bawhomp: ok ... they didn't post...grrr

For Republic
bawhomp: so now we can tell them we traded these techs for republic

Small dig at KISS
fe3333au: Did Tubby post our chat which resulted in Republic from 30 to 20 turns
fe3333au: ?
bawhomp: he told me about that
fe3333au: I liked that one ... the fishing was good made me LOL
fe3333au: From research level is set in stone ... to ok ok ok we can do in 20

bawhomp: it wasn't making a difference on time at first but now we can increase it ... in fact i think i figured out how to go even faster in a turn or two
fe3333au: cool ... Maps is a big incentive isn't it
bawhomp: yes it is
fe3333au: You guys with the go slow research jeesh
bawhomp: it wasn't any difference early

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TNT want to get best value for Mathematics
sixpackholiday: TNT has asked for writing <--> math
fe3333au: they are despartae arn't they ... In fact TNT have nothing else they can trade atm

Reason
sixpackholiday: i was just wondering...why desperate for writing? Embassies???
fe3333au: Lit ... Great Library me thinks
sixpackholiday: sounds reasonable
fe3333au: also opens up a whole bunch of options
sixpackholiday: they have started to do research full speed
fe3333au: about time LOL

War seems to not be going well ... this from Nut chatterings
sixpackholiday: i think they were planning on point stick research towards Nuts ... not working ... lol ... now they wanna time a pre build with getting Lit

Fight Club News
fe3333au: Last I heard Nuts saw another 3 Immortals comming down
sixpackholiday: but they have some MW's in the field right?
fe3333au: yes

KISS proposed tactics
sixpackholiday: i suggested we stay cool and not trade until we do the biggie w you guys
fe3333au: you get maths from us anyway ... but maybe try to get cash as well
sixpackholiday: but they will be slowed down by having to do own sci
fe3333au: Upto you ... we traded to get Maths from them originally and then sold it onto Nuts LOL
sixpackholiday: heh

Carefull not too favourable to Nuts
fe3333au: true ... but we also don't want them to get too bashed by Nuts to be able to fight anymore
sixpackholiday: correct, but they have the war techs
fe3333au: yes ... but need a better government I guess
sixpackholiday: and some payment on earlier stupidity
fe3333au: yes

Big Swapo
fe3333au: 18 turns until big deal
sixpackholiday: fun fun fun ... we'll leave 'em in the dust ... eating iron and horses
fe3333au: yes ...

Visa Ready
fe3333au: Can't wait to visit Battle Isle
sixpackholiday: right, a lil peek would be fun
fe3333au: You planning to settle straight away ... we are still debating
sixpackholiday: i don't know ... pros and cons
fe3333au: yes many on each argument
sixpackholiday: yup

Barbs on land and sea
fe3333au: Those Barbarian Huts are beginning to irritate me
sixpackholiday: yeah, there's some left obviously ... coming w horses ... promo camps
fe3333au: yes I havn't seen any horses galloping around ... but have seen inside a hut

Shipping News
fe3333au: How is your ship?
sixpackholiday: on the s coast of Nuts?
fe3333au: seen any sea barbarians?
sixpackholiday: nope ... just a lingering coast line
fe3333au: watch out we had to fight one about 2 turns ago
sixpackholiday: ok, thanks for info
fe3333au: only saw one though
sixpackholiday: galley...? (MM in)
fe3333au: the barbarian was galley but weak stats ... is that what you meant?
sixpackholiday: yes, that's it ... well, the curragh is a curragh and will have to do it's best
fe3333au: I was supprised our ship survived ... brave sailors

Friendly Banter ... All Greek to me
sixpackholiday: the infamous greek fleet, heh ... maybe one of Onassis ships lol
fe3333au: Yes it comes bearing gifts
sixpackholiday: the barbs ate themselves to death
fe3333au: LOL
sixpackholiday: souvlaki perhaps

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bawhomp: Hey!
fe3333au: hidy Ho

Contact from TNT
bawhomp: btw we got a letter from the Grand Vizier ... asked for writing for math ... i thought about telling we would do it but they must promise to not build the Great Lib ... Give them the impression we are
fe3333au: Dags mentioned it ... I'd go for it ... after all a good deal and you get maths faster legitimately
bawhomp: ok but with the caveat don't you think?
fe3333au: I like the caveat ... see how you go ... if not then try for cash ... what you think?
bawhomp: i'd like to get some intel out of them ... that's one way to try

Confused ... What mean by Intel?
fe3333au: so do trade and get intel ... what intel would you want?
bawhomp: whether they are building the Glib ... if they are it stops them from building it ... if they are not then deal
fe3333au: I don't understand ... you give Writing and get Maths ... plus ask them not to build GL ... yes ... I sort of see

Ohhh ... Strings Attached is what he means
fe3333au: You will trade Writing on the condition that they will not build GL
bawhomp: they will agree if they are not building it ... right
fe3333au: of course they are not building it atm
bawhomp: but i'm saying they can not build it
fe3333au: understand
bawhomp: if they don't agree then no dice
fe3333au: maths for Writing is good deal though
bawhomp: even
fe3333au: is everyone on KISS agreed?
bawhomp: we wanted to ask you first ... i think it makes our deal look cleaner
fe3333au: if they say no ... would you take cash?
bawhomp: i dunno
fe3333au: I agree make them earn it ... they have been rude to you in the past
bawhomp: some have said that ... i think we want to know if they're building the Glib ... if they agree then they are not

TNT don't have monopoly on Maths
fe3333au: They must know that Nuts have maths anyway ... so you have more then them as an option to get Maths
bawhomp: if they don't they are and I'm not sure we want to make that deal
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: simple

New City
fe3333au: You see our spice city?
bawhomp: i didn't ... i don't think daghie made a pic
fe3333au: next to you in jungle
bawhomp: cool
fe3333au: Flaxon Musk named before knew where it was going

Battle Island Plans
fe3333au: So what is KISS' thoughts on Battle Isle ... settle as soon as possible?
bawhomp: I think we start with some small arms to explore ... no reason to have our UU get in a battle
fe3333au: we are debating at the moment ... as to timing
bawhomp: I think warriors ... stir some **** up
fe3333au: yes plan the GA is better
bawhomp: Exactly

Spice Resources
fe3333au: Wow back to spice ... you settled stangely and left 2 free
bawhomp: on purpose
fe3333au: so you left 2 for us?
bawhomp: yes ... got a banana though
fe3333au: I like fruit
bawhomp: bananas are yummy with cumin and cinnamon
fe3333au: yep
fe3333au: Banana cake also good

<Conversation on bananas went decidedly wierd ... not in direction those younger of us are thinking >

Republic eta
fe3333au: am I correct Republic in 16
bawhomp: i think so but it will go faster
fe3333au: Can you tell me when you know ... I am doing countdown at home
bawhomp: i will but as we grow it will shrink
fe3333au: and then I'll do a little dance wootoot
bawhomp: it may knock a turn or two off at the end
fe3333au: k
bawhomp: cool a woot toot
fe3333au: guess that is my owl impression
bawhomp: i like it

Nut Gossip
fe3333au: anything from Nuts
bawhomp: no but we really don't have anything to offer other than republic ... and that doesn't work too well

What does future hold
fe3333au: what you think we do with them
bawhomp: well the question comes what to do after republic ... construction and poly i think are it for us
bawhomp: then it's on to a new age
fe3333au: yes

The War
fe3333au: Do you see their war going on for a long time .... or will they see sence?
bawhomp: donut feels they win if they take out tnt ... even though they lose ... i think they realize it will be tough to recover from a despotic GA
fe3333au: So Nuts will keep at it until TNT destroyed?
bawhomp: i think
fe3333au: So to keep it happening you think slipping TNT the odd tech would help to extend the war?
bawhomp: it could because they are not very tech saavy ... and it couldn't be demanded

Comments in Turn Tracker, a hint ?
bawhomp: donsig's comments were interesting though ... wondering if anyone was having fun ... maybe they struck back
fe3333au: Last I heard 3 immortals had been sighted ... so if won ... then GA for TNT as well
bawhomp: i know they whacked 3 ... yep
fe3333au: first three ... yes
bawhomp: but i have not seen rob around
fe3333au: lets continue to ask him when we can ... and then share info

Big Betting Scheme ... Government Approved and Sponsored
fe3333au: I want to start gambling on battle outcomes
bawhomp: i like the way you think
fe3333au: he he ... more fun ... I'd actually like to bet with real (in game) gold
bawhomp: haha ... i think we can arrange that
fe3333au: excellent I'll take it back to the tightarses controlling treasury
bawhomp: me too.

Betting Limit
bawhomp: what's one gold piece?
fe3333au: or two ... or maybe a city LOL
bawhomp: cities might be tough to swallow
fe3333au: not if I get Skippy to agree when he is drunk LOL
bawhomp: good point
bawhomp: he's been missing big time
fe3333au: They would have to be offcial bets

<Skippy Gossip>

fe3333au: family committments?
bawhomp: possibly but you'd think he'd post in our absence thread
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: well at least you won't get a city from us
fe3333au: LOL ... yes Dags is too controlled
bawhomp: daghie will not go for a city
fe3333au: I know
bawhomp: tubby will want to know the corruption rate of the city
fe3333au: he he so will Chamnix :coool:
bawhomp: Chamnix got skillz
fe3333au: yep ... more than me

Game Promotion
bawhomp: have you seen some of our signatures?
fe3333au: the promotion ... yes good idea ... I don't have enough room ... Have had in my signature since I started playing
bawhomp: ok i'm tuckered

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Extend and Finalise the Agreements
sixpackholiday: I was thinking MIA and KISS maybe should update their inked dealings?
fe3333au: yes ... go on
sixpackholiday: i only found some real old ones that isn't in phase with the latest trading that has taken place
fe3333au: yes ... something about the current scenario?
sixpackholiday: i have no specific plan to offer, just the thought that it might be time to work something out ... exactly
fe3333au: What topics would you like it to cover
sixpackholiday: i have just now suggested that in our forum

Republic Deal
sixpackholiday: not sure but what is understood by the Big Deal for instance ... the trade for rep
fe3333au: Yes we give Lit, MM, Maths ... maybe adding HBR

<opening the Foreign Embassy ... am I psychic or what>

fe3333au: we got to look at the numbers
sixpackholiday: ok, so basically we get from you what adds up to the cost for rep
fe3333au: what did you think?
sixpackholiday: my thoughts were those, but i was not 100% and some water has passed under the bridges since we first dicussed this
fe3333au: Yes ... and we also already gave you Masonry

Relooking ... and casting a line
fe3333au: So I'm confused at HBR since we traded that and without giving you HBR we will end up trading even 42 each
sixpackholiday: yes, that's the kind of questionmark that has to be straightened out
fe3333au: We could swap it to you for the Embassy Photos ??
sixpackholiday: and by taking on rep we have minimized the already slim chanse of getting a sgl ... that's an idea of course

Wierd Banter
fe3333au: We are easy ... well not that easy ... You have to give us flowers before we kiss you
sixpackholiday: Big bunch = Big kiss?
fe3333au: sure ... maybe open legs
sixpackholiday: heh ... That will definetly have to be inked before i say Aye
fe3333au: yes ... indeed LOL
sixpackholiday: g/f would only accept that as part of a tech deal
fe3333au: this will be heavily edited before I post it

<Ooops ... left it in ... for mirth value>

Pyramid been there for some time
sixpackholiday: are you chopping again?
fe3333au: Pyramid?
sixpackholiday: yup ... that's an ugly pop up
fe3333au: no ... very slow production ... just psychological warfare
sixpackholiday: looool
fe3333au: You mean city name is ugly?
sixpackholiday: no, heh, the thought of someone doing the mids ... although i didn't expect you to build it in that city

Add a Wonder clause
sixpackholiday: do we have any gareement on wonder builds?
fe3333au: No
sixpackholiday: do you think we should have?
fe3333au: only to discuss ... cos you can't really hide it
sixpackholiday: a palace pre build would be hidden
fe3333au: yes ... it would ... I think nothing needs to be writen .. cos we talk about it anyway ... what you think?
sixpackholiday: well, i think you're right

Have some fun clause ... business approach
fe3333au: One thing I thought about ... we should have add a clause about time taken to research
sixpackholiday: the dreade slow burn?
fe3333au: and perhaps to make it fun ... if you are late cost 1 gold per turn ?? ... what you think
sixpackholiday: you feel we have been lazy on rep?
fe3333au: Yes the unexpected slow burn
sixpackholiday: aha
fe3333au: Well you could have had Map Making by now
sixpackholiday: i really don't remember exactly but i think we were quite open about going slow
fe3333au: no news to me ... was sure it was faster when I asked many turns ago ... was it always slow or did you make it slow halfway through
sixpackholiday: but for future deals, yes, a speed limit might be considered

How to incorporate
fe3333au: I'd actually put a clause in there with late fee ... so you quote 2 turns more
sixpackholiday: so you quote 2 turns more?
fe3333au: if there is a late fee i would ... but tell you when we finished
sixpackholiday: sorry, i just don't follow that. Language difficulties ... heh
fe3333au: cos what happens if babs attack or plague
sixpackholiday: quote=?

Slowing down ... sorry
fe3333au: OK if there is a late fee of 1 gold for every turn you are late in delivering the tech ... quote is when business say they will deliver or how much a job costs
sixpackholiday: aha
fe3333au: so if there is a late fee ... I would say turns needed plus 2 more
sixpackholiday: got it
fe3333au: the 2 more just incase there is an accident like barbarians or plague
sixpackholiday: well, that's up to the "buissness" delivering i guess ... but i will pass on your suggestion
fe3333au: We don't have to ... but could be fun
sixpackholiday: fun and maybe fair

Clause not an essential deal
fe3333au: I will not be upset if there is no late clause
sixpackholiday: ok ... i wouldn't want to see you upset
fe3333au: but it also applies to us as well
sixpackholiday: of course

Swedish Weirdness Again
sixpackholiday: not with my legs apart
fe3333au: No you wouldn't like me when I was upset
sixpackholiday: Mr. Banner
fe3333au: LOL ... I thought it was my legs apart
sixpackholiday: applies to us as well, now that was a quote
fe3333au: cool

Future Research as a topic
fe3333au: We could also talk about what to research next
sixpackholiday: yes, ther's some work to do ... let's see: construct ...er ... poly ... currency ...

mechanism to achieve getting a draft
fe3333au: PM your rough drafts to me ... and I will to you
sixpackholiday: i will put the research dpt on the job
fe3333au: we still have 17 turns to finalise all that ... yes?
sixpackholiday: about 17 yes

Harbour talk ... and No you are not getting MM early
sixpackholiday: one thing that could maybe speed things up is building a harbour and trade luxes?
fe3333au: Yes we will be ready for you when you build one
sixpackholiday: can't without MM
fe3333au: looking forward to it ... yes better hurry the Republic then eh mate LOL

Obscure (to me) reference ... anyine know it ???
sixpackholiday: i think of a novel by J.Heller here lol
fe3333au: don't know ... but don't tell me yet ... maybe a team mate will understand reference

Research options for KISS to discuss
fe3333au: Off top of my head ... you do construction and us currancy
sixpackholiday: i'm too backwards when it comes to beakers ... i'm sure we will work something out the satisfies both teams

Barbarian Tales
fe3333au: I'm sure we will ... how are you coping with the barbs ... been hassled yet ... we have ... We have been attacked on land and sea ... how are you guys?
sixpackholiday: barbs has approched, we wcked 'em ... a horse
fe3333au: <censored>
sixpackholiday: will have to deal with them more roughly soon
fe3333au: we sunk a barb galley with a curragh ... the Trusty Guppy got a medal
sixpackholiday: send some redheads out
fe3333au: yes jump on them
sixpackholiday: congrats!

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Obscure (to me) reference ... anyine know it ???
sixpackholiday: i think of a novel by J.Heller here lol
fe3333au: don't know ... but don't tell me yet ... maybe a team mate will understand reference

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Skippyshutt: no free beer at the pub tonight?
fe3333au: later only 2pm ... also Hi
Skippyshutt: 2pm is good time to start
fe3333au: I'm feeling like <censored for not well> ... very fluey ... but will be right on the night

<Avian Flu, Uni, platting hair, Newtonian Physics>

Game Topic
fe3333au: Hey ... we needed to ask for extension ... bloody TNT didn't post on turn tracker
Skippyshutt: you're not developoing the f-bomb are u?
fe3333au: so the save was sitting around for half a day before we found it

Internal KISS joke ... Admiral_K big anti-TNT
Skippyshutt: wait a few ... my latest KISS post:

To: JCOS Bugs
From: CNO AK
Subject: Secret Weapons

We here in the rolling hills of old Latrobe are pleased to announce the release of a new weapon in the war against the evil empire (TNT). After extensive testing in the glass lined tanks, we offer this premium new weapon as a tribute to the good taste of team KISS.

First to summarize. Development began with ingestion of several cases of 'pony' bottles of rolling rock fire water.

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fe3333au: so this is a letter you are sending?
Skippyshutt: na, was an internal joke when I was <censored for drunk or angry>

fe3333au: you're always <censored for drunk or angry>
Skippyshutt: true

Upfront Question about Battle Island
fe3333au: so what is the plan for Battle Isle?
Skippyshutt: GS go ballistic
fe3333au: vs TNT or Nuts or both
Skippyshutt: TNT ... if the team follows my plan
that's still up in the air
fe3333au: not affraid of a strong Nuts?
Skippyshutt: do they have boats?
fe3333au: not yet
Skippyshutt: no fear nuts yet
fe3333au: they will eventually
Skippyshutt: our boats are better
fe3333au: So you envision 3 onto 1 scenario ... or just eager to kill the sons of Provo
Skippyshutt: we like help, but we can do it ourself if we have to
fe3333au: I'm sure we'd like a bit of the action as well ... I guess we should discuss plans at some stage

Gambling
Skippyshutt: know a bookie?
fe3333au: can arrange a book ... apparently no cities can be bet ... but just between you and me we could bet a city you don't own LOL
Skippyshutt: can u steal plans with diplo or do u need a spy? I forget. been playing too much C4.
We could wager ... lux too
fe3333au: yes I'm very eager ...

Note : Not sure what he meant by plan stealing

UN Who will Win Poll
fe3333au: have started a poll in UN ... you see it?
Skippyshutt: no, will go look now ...

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bawhomp: hey
fe3333au: hey Whomp
fe3333au: Got the flu ... so didn't even goto pub for free beer
bawhomp: crap ... that sucks

Provo ... What is with this guy ???
fe3333au: with Provo back he is ... and I think Dags said something bad as well ... on my poll
bawhomp: i know i pm'd dagh to take it down
fe3333au: what was it ... provo atack?
bawhomp: of sorts ... telling him to basically get his head out of his <censored rear>

fe3333au: I can't understand that dickhead ... I start a frivolous thread and he does that bull**** ... and also basically rags his own team for chosing wrong civ to play
bawhomp: he's an <censored rear> ... i knew that was not your intent and why i voted donut
fe3333au: pity he is playing at all
bawhomp: i almost suggested a do over so we could pound on him ... lol

Admin thoughts musings
fe3333au: what do Rik, RM and GA think about him?
bawhomp: Rik is not a fan but it due to ISDG history
bawhomp: RM and GA...they know his antics due to the same...
fe3333au: pity no-one has the guts to tell him to <censored reproductive reference> off ... if he starts again ... I will make an offical request
bawhomp: Rik did and he's been quiet till now
fe3333au: He could have been funning on the poll thread ... but no he has to be pretentious wanker

New Nut Foreign Voice
bawhomp: we spoke with "nobody" too...funny NZer lol ... i told him to put together a futures proposal for republic to see what they come up with

<missed this gem ... BUT we already know that KISS are true to word>
fe3333au: Nobody sent a PM to me
bawhomp: he sent me one with donuts
fe3333au: Yes the intro was nice ... wonder if Provo got one LOL
bawhomp: he said yes but no donuts
fe3333au: LOL ... Laxatives?
bawhomp: of course

Provo Again
bawhomp: who is that guy anyhow? ... WTH ... got daghie a warning that's for sure .... seems chieftess saw his post 1 minute before i told rik
fe3333au: what did it say?
bawhomp: Shtie. fcuk and others words asking provo who he thinks he is making is stupid comments ...
fe3333au: Robi bite back at him too
bawhomp: i know but without the words
fe3333au: yes
bawhomp: it was stupid on daghie's part and i pm'd him within 10 mins of his post but i think he'd been drinking and all .... ooops
fe3333au: oh well ... do you know anyone at TNT ... that we can chat with? ... just to see how powerful he is in TNT
fe3333au: posters i see....greek guy, vbraun, donsig and a really cool guy Tim Bentley ..... Tim i've sg'd with
fe3333au: can you chat and see what the story is ... or would you feel uncomfortable? ... actually I sort of know greeyguy thro' Mafia ... I may try him
bawhomp: i can check with tim ... and ask why provo is being such a beeatch.
fe3333au: that would be good

Finaly to Business about our Draft
fe3333au: You guys had time to look at the drfat I sent about future?

Saved Moves from Go Slow on Republic
bawhomp: disseminating our moves ... i think we took 5 turns more than we should have ... so i think we should offer embassy screens ... my vote
fe3333au: That's what Chamnix the custodian of the holy abaccus says
bawhomp: 5 turns?
fe3333au: Yes ... 5 turns earlier to the NOW change over ... that make sence?
bawhomp: yes
bawhomp: 90 ish gold ... 55 per
fe3333au: That is why it is good to add expected completeion time in agreements ... you agree?
bawhomp: republic is different than any other
fe3333au: The fine thing is just me having fun and being cheeky
bawhomp: there are very few techs you can run min on
fe3333au: ok

The overall Document
fe3333au: so what are KISS' thoughts of my draft
bawhomp: i think we need more to post over the weekend. the team seems really focused on mm'ing right now ... micromanaging btw
fe3333au: yes ... so not many offered input on my document
bawhomp: not yet...like i said we had some critical decisions on our empire that were important this week
fe3333au: ok
bawhomp: i don't see any issues but like you i'll let the #'s guys figure that out..
fe3333au: so I'll wait for you to send us the next draft?
bawhomp: yeah let us focus on one thing at a time ... lol ... seriously i will focus on it
fe3333au: LOL relax ... just thought with a team of 100's more than one thing can be focused on

Heads Up ... Our turn has come
bawhomp: Turn 71 played and save sent to the other non-agro team
bawhomp: donsig .... <censored reproduction> ... excuse me..
fe3333au: we are up then?
bawhomp: si
fe3333au: thanks ... least they posted this time LOL
bawhomp: gonna look?
fe3333au: we had it waiting in the box for 14ish hours last turn ... yep opening now

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bawhomp: back and now Nobody has dialed me up. lol
fe3333au: goody
bawhomp: he is relentless
fe3333au: find out what he is researching now ... I bet Poly in 5
bawhomp: asked
fe3333au: also get frontline gossip ... We really should start betting soon
bawhomp: he said he doesn't know what they're researching
fe3333au: Oh ... bit cagey if he don't know what his own team is reasearching ??
bawhomp: he said the internal counsel won't tell them
fe3333au: WTH LOL
fe3333au: I'll tell him for 20gp
bawhomp: i asked if they were commies or sumpin. time for a civil war

News abroad
fe3333au: how goes his war with TNT?
bawhomp: he disappeared somewhere. something about lunch but he's still online ... no writing

< Reference to Nobody's hyperactivity Whomp shared before >
fe3333au: what a strange thing ... mind you it was around 2 minutes ... maybe his tooth started aching
bawhomp: he's writing again but just nonsense...who's your turnplayer, what's your capital
fe3333au: Is he on drugs LOL
bawhomp: want masonry
bawhomp: eh?
fe3333au: did you want MIA turnplyer ??? or he is asking you ??
bawhomp: he's asking me
bawhomp: govt. type now
bawhomp: blah blah blah

Hyperkid !!!
fe3333au: how old is he?
fe3333au: maybe I'm sort of blessed that he is not getting AIM
bawhomp: plays gridiron so early 20's i think
bawhomp: offering lit, hbr and poly so they must be researching poly

Nuts know that TNT know Currency
bawhomp: he mentioned we should talk to tnt about getting currency .... how would he know?
fe3333au: I don't think we mentioned anything to him ... in fact positive

< never say never fe !!! >
fe3333au: maybe i did ... not 100% ... eiether they worked it out ... or I must have

About TNT
bawhomp: tnt discussion now
fe3333au: actually find out how they know about currency
bawhomp: very very very slow to respond
fe3333au: legit question ... as it shows we are not buddy buddy
bawhomp: he said robi just knew wasn't sure if it was in peace negotiations or MIA

International Relations
fe3333au: peace negotiations ?!!! ... We gotta sabatage that !!!
bawhomp: asked if we'd join them
fe3333au: since you will be targetting TNT ... you could show interest ... ask them what they think of us?
bawhomp: asking if they could get map making from you ... they said they haven't heard from you
fe3333au: just so you know ... we would never sell this tech to either Battle Islander
bawhomp: since he became foreign minister he said
fe3333au: mention that we like using AIM
bawhomp: i can't you need to do that. it would tip him off. he's wondering if we are playing him on his last question
fe3333au: no problem ... Robi knows anyway

< Keeping the secret >
fe3333au: good thinking btw ... we need to keep our relationship secret

The Auction for Republic
bawhomp: i have made it clear that we are holding out for THE best deal for techs and you seem to be the one with the most to offer somehow ... and what do they need republic for anyhow? ... they can't use it
fe3333au: he he get them to research Monachy
bawhomp: i don't think they'd do that unless they expect to be at war the rest of the game
fe3333au: sure ... wishfull thinking LOL

Nuts up the ante
bawhomp: they are offering lit, poly and something in the future ... can i tell them what we are working on possibly?

< NO WAY !!! >

fe3333au: sorry was editing ... ummm ... you don't know
bawhomp: he upped it to hbr, lit, poly and a tech
fe3333au: If he's asking to concrete a deal ... say that you will not be making decision yet ... must take it back to us to up our bid ... You are holding an auction as it were
bawhomp: that's what i said..
fe3333au:
bawhomp: we are ancient and need to fill a lot of holes! ... but we'll be in a government
fe3333au: yes

< pause >

fe3333au: still keeping this open for updates on Nuts
bawhomp: he had to run...he said people were yelling at him lol
fe3333au: lol

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MTDG request

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Chamnix & fe3333au,

CC: Whomp

There is a MIA warrior in the way of some workers trying to connect our cities. It has delayed construction of the road by one turn already. It would be highly appreciated if he moved out of the way. If the warrior moves south please be advised that we will be roading a N-S road to Effing Whomping Rower.

Thanks for your cooperation. If you have training exercises in the jungles between our cities, please let us know so that we can inform you when to evacuate when the road is coming.

Thanks,
Tubby & Team KISS

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