Re-call for CJ applicants

Chillaxation · Mar 11, 2006

Friends -

I've just gotten over an illness, so allow me to express my regret for the delay.

Having considered at length the fact that there is no consensus on the issue of whether there is either always, or only conditionally, a procedural delay: first, in the opening of applications to citizens; second, in the president's decision making process itself; I hereby declare the office of Chief Justice vacant.

All interested candidates that have not applied by now should apply to me by PM, providing personal background and answers to the five questions posed in the previous thread.

Previous applicants need not reapply: I'm well aware of your positions on the salient issues. If you feel you need to clarify something, please post a reply here, or PM me.

Any new applicants must apply within seventy-two hours of this post. This is an absolute deadline for which no extenuation will be accepted.

Furthermore, keep debate about the procedure of appointment on this thread to a minimum. Please keep this area restricted to the discussion of prospective jurists and their positions, if they become public.

Nobody · Mar 11, 2006

I withdraw my application.

Donovan Zoi · Mar 11, 2006

What an unfortunate development. The CJ office has been vacant for much longer than 72 hours. That is painfully apparent.

You are well within your right to appoint someone right now, Mr. President. However, I will not fill this thread with constant dialogue supporting my position. All I will say is that the way the legal section is written, you would be able to appoint the first person that applied for the job --- and only minutes after you opened the floor for those interested!

V. Judicial Vacancies
VA. The President must request interested citizens that do not currently hold office to contact them. If no such citizen contacts the President within 72 hours of the office being declared Vacant, the President may appoint any citizen to the office.
VB. This appointment may be challenged by a confirmation poll.
VI. All vacancy appointments which are subject to a confirmation poll are provisional until the time for a confirmation poll has passed, or when a confirmation poll for that appointment concludes with a 'Yes' majority.
VIA. Any citizen may post a confirmation poll for an appointment to a Vacant office. This is a private poll, asking the question "Should <citizen name> serve as <office>?", with the options Yes, No and Abstain. This poll should last for 48 hours. If a majority of citizens who vote, excluding abstain, vote no, the appointment is reversed. This citizen may not be appointed to that office again that term.
VIB. A Citizen who holds office may apply for a new office before the 72 hour waiting period provided they write in their application that they will resign from their current office. That citizen does not have to resign until the provisional period passes.

By referring to the bolded sections, you will notice two things:

1. Once someone has applied for the position, the 72 hour deadline is null and void. However, it would probably be good practice to wait as long as possible.

2. If any citizen has issue with what they consider a hasty appointment, they can attempt to back up their stance via a confirmation poll. This is the part of the process that secures the peoples' will.

I thought that you handled the situation admirably in the last thread, given the circumstances. I apologize for not posting my opinion earlier, as you seemed to be taking quite a beating from those who didn't quite parse the intent of our law correctly. During a 31 day term, three days is a lifetime.

Swissempire · Mar 11, 2006

Donovan Zoi said:
What an unfortunate development. The CJ office has been vacant for much longer than 72 hours. That is painfully apparent.

You are well within your right to appoint someone right now, Mr. President. However, I will not fill this thread with constant dialogue supporting my position. All I will say is that the way the legal section is written, you would be able to appoint the first person that applied for the job --- and only minutes after you opened the floor for those interested!

By referring to the bolded sections, you will notice two things:

1. Once someone has applied for the position, the 72 hour deadline is null and void. However, it would probably be good practice to wait as long as possible.

2. If any citizen has issue with what they consider a hasty appointment, they can attempt to back up their stance via a confirmation poll. This is the part of the process that secures the peoples' will.

I thought that you handled the situation admirably in the last thread, given the circumstances. I apologize for not posting my opinion earlier, as you seemed to be taking quite a beating from those who didn't quite parse the intent of our law correctly. During a 31 day term, three days is a lifetime.

Thank you Donovan Zoi. This is what i have been trying to say, i just couldn't find the section. Chill you were ustified in any appointment you made, because the proper steps weren't taken by those who opposed it.

@Nobody, Why did you withdraw....NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

BCLG100 · Mar 11, 2006

i think he withdrew because people opposed his appointment and therefore its not very confident building however im probably wrong but still someone get this over with so we can carry on with the game.

Nobody · Mar 11, 2006

Nobody, Why did you withdraw

Too much messing about, I can see in about 2 days time donsig demanding another application process because the inital aplicants did not actually reply during THIS 72 hours.

donsig · Mar 11, 2006

Nobody said:
Too much messing about, I can see in about 2 days time donsig demanding another application process because the inital aplicants did not actually reply during THIS 72 hours.

Sorry to disappoint you nobody. As long as the president gives citizens a full 72 hours to apply without discouraging applications and accepts the applications already tendered (as he has said he would) there is no legal issue that could be raised on those grounds.

Donovan Zoi said:
By referring to the bolded sections, you will notice two things:

1. Once someone has applied for the position, the 72 hour deadline is null and void. However, it would probably be good practice to wait as long as possible.

2. If any citizen has issue with what they consider a hasty appointment, they can attempt to back up their stance via a confirmation poll. This is the part of the process that secures the peoples' will.

I thought that you handled the situation admirably in the last thread, given the circumstances. I apologize for not posting my opinion earlier, as you seemed to be taking quite a beating from those who didn't quite parse the intent of our law correctly. During a 31 day term, three days is a lifetime.

Donovan Zoi, your remarks regarding what has been happening in this demo game disappoint me even more than your refusal to continue playing the Cage Match.

Three days is not a lifetime in a 31 day term. IIRC it is the amount of time we give an AWOL official to post before we declare the office vacant. It is not an inordinate amount of time to wait for applications.

I am well aware of the line of reasoning that leads one to state, as you do, that Once someone has applied for the position, the 72 hour deadline is null and void. The reasoning is valid and the resulting interpretation is also valid. But it is only an interpretation and it is certianly not the ONLY valid interpretation a reasonable person can reach. Normally, that's not a problem because we have a judiciary we can go to for an OFFICIAL interpretation. Since we can't do that right now it makes perfect sense for the President to do everything he can to ensure his appointment is unquestionably legal.

Nobody · Mar 11, 2006

Three days is not a lifetime in a 31 day term

What about 12?

Strider · Mar 11, 2006

Nobody said:
What about 12?

Were actually at 11 right now.. :lol:

well, I guess it depends on your timezone actually.

Humor aside, this is only a problem because were making it one. Once we decide it's no longer a problem, then it will cease to be one.

Simple and easy.

Swissempire · Mar 11, 2006

I would urge either Donovan Zoi or Nobody to apply/reapply for this position. I agree, and think the majority agrees, with you interpetation(s). Please, Obi Won (insert wither of your screennames here), your our only hope.

Darth Donsig must be stopped :scan:

Strider · Mar 11, 2006

Swissempire said:
I would urge either Donovan Zoi or Nobody to apply/reapply for this position. I agree, and think the majority agrees, with you interpetation(s). Please, Obi Won (insert wither of your screennames here), your our only hope.

Darth Donsig must be stopped

"Darth Donsig" happens to have a more logical mind than the others. He was orginally attempting to just stop any controversy over the appointment.

However, because of others actions, his good intentions have been twisted.

BCLG100 · Mar 12, 2006

that's true and others are just trying to encourage the game to progress further so when were done patting each other on the back shall we get on with the game?

Curufinwe · Mar 12, 2006

I'll reaply.

Swissempire · Mar 13, 2006

Yay C-doggy, woohoo!

Chillaxation · Mar 14, 2006

It is with great hope for his insight, fairness and vision that I appoint Curufinwe to the position of Chief Justice. Having reviewed the applications, I feel that his is the strongest and represents the best hope for clarity and utility to arise out of the judical reviews which await him.

Curufinwe · Mar 14, 2006

I would like to thank the President for the appointment, and elaborate on a variety of things.

As I've said before, I will not support dead letters standing in the way of justice. This is entirely inimical to the principles which I've grown up on, and on the justice system which I am most familiar. The laws are alive, to use the metaphor that liberated Canada from the oppression of the past, and it is my firm belief that this is right, and in fact, bar frequent amendment of the constitution to reduce it to a mere statue, the only way to organise a system so that it is just.

However, this is not without dangers, and therefore, I call upon all to watch over the judiciary, and ensure that the interpretations do not stray outside of the "large and liberal interpretation" that they merit. The law must not be twisted to serve particularist interests, but rather be open to serving the interests of each and of all.

I strongly implore anyone, if they have any hesitancy with me being Chief Justice, to hold a confirmation poll as soon as possible.

In solidarity,

Curufinwe

Strider · Mar 14, 2006

You had to write a "thank you" speech, didn't you? :lol:

Curufinwe · Mar 14, 2006

Wasn't so mucha thank you speech, more a clarification and a call to action. Of course though, anyone would be thankful. I devoted one sentence to thanks, two paragraphs to philosophy, one sentence to ask of anyone who feels it necessary to hold a confirmation vote. Not really a thank you speech. Oh well though.

robboo · Mar 14, 2006

Congrats. I hope your term is productive and stress free after the few problems that need addresing.

Nobody · Mar 15, 2006

Congratulations Mr Justice. Well get a move on

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