New Version - 4.2.7 (October 30, 2023)

bryanw1995 · Nov 30, 2023

I've played a bunch of 4.2.7 games, and just ran into something I haven't seen before. I got the Corporations tech, I had a 33% monopoly on truffles and a 100% monopoly on gems, but I can't build twokay foods or Civilized Jewelers. Gems are banned in world Congress, truffles are not, neither of those 2 Corporations have been built yet. I'm playing Autocracy this game. Is this a game bug or am I missing something?

myclan · Nov 30, 2023

I wonder why there are so many players complaining about ai expansion. In my latest game a tradition Portuguese already has 3 cities before turn 50.

azum4roll · Nov 30, 2023

bryanw1995 said:
I've played a bunch of 4.2.7 games, and just ran into something I haven't seen before. I got the Corporations tech, I had a 33% monopoly on truffles and a 100% monopoly on gems, but I can't build twokay foods or Civilized Jewelers. Gems are banned in world Congress, truffles are not, neither of those 2 Corporations have been built yet. I'm playing Autocracy this game. Is this a game bug or am I missing something?

But 33% is not a monopoly.

statusquo · Nov 30, 2023

Wait, actually you could cripple other civ ability to build corporation by ban their monopoly resource xD? Thats huge

You could secure your corporation, by block other civ that has same monopoly as you

bryanw1995 · Nov 30, 2023

azum4roll said:
But 33% is not a monopoly.

I thought that 25% was a monopoly, but everything I see says 50%. Must be old timer's brain.

Enginseer · Nov 30, 2023

bryanw1995 said:
I thought that 25% was a monopoly, but everything I see says 50%. Must be old timer's brain.

25% for Strategic Resources (to get a Strategic Monopoly)

axatin · Dec 1, 2023

Coffee Monopoly said:
I'm playing on the new ilteroi dll, and this right here is by far worst problem in the game atm. The governor logic is terrible. On tiles, 1 food is valued higher than 2 hammers + 2 gold. Puppets cannot work specialists at all and just max all tiles, then literally labourers. First time I've seen labourers used at all, and I can't even do anything against it.

It was good before v4, what happened?

I tried to implement a new logic for parts of the city governor with the intention to have the governor work less specialists in smaller cities. Apparently that didn't work out very well. I'll work on it and see if there's a way to improve the new approach, otherwise I'll revert the change. Either way, it should be better in the next version.

Patee · Dec 1, 2023

axatin said:
I tried to implement a new logic for parts of the city governor with the intention to have the governor work less specialists in smaller cities. Apparently that didn't work out very well. I'll work on it and see if there's a way to improve the new approach, otherwise I'll revert the change. Either way, it should be better in the next version.

I have to confirm that governor logic is not working properly.
Getting tons of labourers when lots of specialists slot not worked.

Working 1 food / 1 hammer tile when there are better ones or specialists slots.

andersw · Dec 1, 2023

myclan said:
I wonder why there are so many players complaining about ai expansion. In my latest game a tradition Portuguese already has 3 cities before turn 50.

Because at t200 they are still at 3-4 when they could be at 15.

andersw · Dec 1, 2023

I wonder what the reason is, one of the few civs who sort of manage to break the expansion wall is the aztecs (which is in general one of the more broken ai civs).

Anarcomu · Dec 1, 2023

It might be a happiness issue ? The Aztecs have a strong food component which might allow them to work more specialists, in turn reducing happiness source from illiteracy/boredom/poverty/distress ?
Also a successful warring Aztec get golden ages, further increasing gold gains allowing them to fight poverty and rush buildings.
In fact, I remember a Aztec game where I was practically able to invest in every building past some time.

andersw · Dec 1, 2023

Anarcomu said:
It might be a happiness issue ? The Aztecs have a strong food component which might allow them to work more specialists, in turn reducing happiness source from illiteracy/boredom/poverty/distress ?
Also a successful warring Aztec get golden ages, further increasing gold gains allowing them to fight poverty and rush buildings.
In fact, I remember a Aztec game where I was practically able to invest in every building past some time.

It could be gold related since aztecs generate a ton of gold and any unit trade with humans or other ai's is just a benefit for them.

Slyceth · Dec 2, 2023

Recursive said:
Probably in about a week or so.

It has been a week from that moment, could you give us another update please?

Patee · Dec 2, 2023

Just to confirm - investing in buliding with exp. 4.3 and 4UC is broken

John.B.C · Dec 2, 2023

Patee said:
Just to confirm - investing in buliding with exp. 4.3 and 4UC is broken

Yeah so I've noticed.

Recursive · Dec 2, 2023

Slyceth said:
It has been a week from that moment, could you give us another update please?

Soon™

Probably whenever the espionage rework is finished.

axatin · Dec 2, 2023

Patee said:
Just to confirm - investing in buliding with exp. 4.3 and 4UC is broken

John.B.C said:
Yeah so I've noticed.

Fixed for the next version.

Lord Iguan · Dec 3, 2023

azum4roll said:

Reserving this post for some change details, especially those that will affect modmods.

Promotions that exist in vanilla but unused in VP: left as vanilla values (except promotion icons)

Code:

PROMOTION_ALLWATER_EMBARKATION
PROMOTION_ANTI_GUNPOWDER
PROMOTION_ANTI_MOUNTED_II
PROMOTION_CITY_SIEGE_II
PROMOTION_DEFENSE_PENALTY
PROMOTION_DESERT_WARRIOR
PROMOTION_EXTRA_MOVES_I
PROMOTION_EXTRA_SIGHT_I (all units with this promotion has their base sight range increased instead)
PROMOTION_EXTRA_SIGHT_II
PROMOTION_EXTRA_SIGHT_III
PROMOTION_EXTRA_SIGHT_IV
PROMOTION_FAST_ADMIRAL (Great Admiral has base move increased instead)
PROMOTION_FIRE_SUPPORT
PROMOTION_FOLIAGE_IMPASSABLE
PROMOTION_GREAT_LIGHTHOUSE (VP Great Lighthouse gives Navigator II)
PROMOTION_HEAL_IF_DESTROY_ENEMY
PROMOTION_HEAVY_PAYLOAD
PROMOTION_HELI_REPAIR
PROMOTION_HEROISM
PROMOTION_MOUNTED_PENALTY
PROMOTION_NAVAL_BONUS
PROMOTION_NAVAL_PENALTY
PROMOTION_NO_CAPTURE
PROMOTION_RECRUITMENT
PROMOTION_REPAIR
PROMOTION_ROUGH_TERRAIN_ENDS_TURN
PROMOTION_SECOND_ATTACK
PROMOTION_SIGHT_PENALTY (all units with this promotion has their base sight range decreased instead)
PROMOTION_STEAM_POWERED
PROMOTION_WAR_CANOES
PROMOTION_WEAK_RANGED

Promotions that were added in VP but were left unused: removed

Code:

PROMOTION_ATLATL_ATTACK (Bowman and Cossack now share the same promotion)
PROMOTION_BARBARIAN_PENALTY_I
PROMOTION_BARBARIAN_PENALTY_II
PROMOTION_BARBARIAN_PENALTY_III
PROMOTION_CAN_MOVE_AFTER_ATTACKING_NAVAL (normal version changed to LostWithUpgrade, now there's no point having a naval version)
PROMOTION_DEEPWATER_EMBARKATION (this one is left in CP since it's referenced in the DLL if the mod option is enabled)
PROMOTION_GOD_WAR
PROMOTION_GUERILLA_FIGHTER
PROMOTION_HOVER_UNIT
PROMOTION_KNOCKOUT_II
PROMOTION_KNOCKOUT_III (Commando+ gets the vanilla Combat Bonus When Attacking (25) instead)
PROMOTION_NOBEL_LAUREATE
PROMOTION_RECON_SHORT_RANGE
PROMOTION_SCOUT_XP_SPOTTING
PROMOTION_SIGHT_PENALTY_NAVAL
PROMOTION_TERROR
PROMOTION_TERROR_II

Promotions with text key or name changed (Description, Help and PediaEntry text keys also follow):

Code:

PROMOTION_ANTIAIR_LAND_I -> PROMOTION_ANTIAIR_LAND_1
PROMOTION_ANTIAIR_LAND_II -> PROMOTION_ANTIAIR_LAND_2
PROMOTION_ANTIAIR_LAND_III -> PROMOTION_ANTIAIR_LAND_3
PROMOTION_BOARDED_I -> PROMOTION_BOARDED_1
PROMOTION_BOARDED_II -> PROMOTION_BOARDED_2
PROMOTION_CHARGE_II -> PROMOTION_CHARGE_2
PROMOTION_EVASION_III -> PROMOTION_STEALTH
PROMOTION_FIELD_I -> PROMOTION_FIELD_1
PROMOTION_FIELD_II -> PROMOTION_FIELD_2
PROMOTION_FIELD_III -> PROMOTION_FIELD_3
PROMOTION_KNOCKOUT_I -> PROMOTION_KNOCKOUT: Knockout I -> Fasimba
PROMOTION_MODERN_RANGED_PENALTY_I -> PROMOTION_COVERING_FIRE_1
PROMOTION_MODERN_RANGED_PENALTY_II -> PROMOTION_COVERING_FIRE_2
PROMOTION_NAVAL_SENTRY -> PROMOTION_NAVIGATOR_1
PROMOTION_NAVAL_SENTRY_II -> PROMOTION_NAVIGATOR_2
PROMOTION_RECON_LONG_RANGE -> PROMOTION_RECON_RANGE_2: Long Range Recon -> Air Recon Range II
PROMOTION_RECON_SMALL_INCREASE -> PROMOTION_RECON_RANGE_1: Air Recon range +1 -> Air Recon Range I
PROMOTION_SIEGE_I -> PROMOTION_SIEGE_1
PROMOTION_SIEGE_II -> PROMOTION_SIEGE_2
PROMOTION_SIEGE_III -> PROMOTION_SIEGE_3
PROMOTION_SPLASH -> PROMOTION_SPLASH_1: Splash Damage -> Splash Damage I
PROMOTION_SPLASH_II -> PROMOTION_SPLASH_2
PROMOTION_WITHDRAW_BEFORE_MELEE_I -> PROMOTION_COMMANDO
PROMOTION_WOODLAND_TRAILBLAZER_I -> PROMOTION_WOODLAND_TRAILBLAZER_1
PROMOTION_WOODLAND_TRAILBLAZER_II -> PROMOTION_WOODLAND_TRAILBLAZER_2
PROMOTION_WOODLAND_TRAILBLAZER_III -> PROMOTION_WOODLAND_TRAILBLAZER_3
Bonus vs Submarines (33) -> Depth Charges I
Bonus vs Submarines (100) -> Depth Charges II
Heals 25 Damage If Kills a Unit -> Tenacity (also made a new help text)
Damaged Enemy Bonus (33) -> Marksmanship
Charge -> Charge I
Dreadnought I -> Hull I
Dreadnought II -> Hull II
Dreadnought III -> Hull III
Ambition -> Determination
Restlessness -> Ceaselessness

Recursive said:

Hey all,

New beta version inbound, containing all changes from 3.10.14 as well as many more. @azum4roll has completed the Complete Merge project, which signals the beginning of the Vox Populi 4.0 era. This has been a huge endeavor largely on his part (with contributions from @N.Core and myself as well), for which I am very grateful.

The main change is that it completes the Great Merge (version 2.0) that balparmak started, cleaning up and reorganizing the entirety of (2) Vox Populi's database changes. It should now be MUCH easier to make future balance changes to the mod. The previous state of affairs...picture a large filing cabinet filled with papers tossed in haphazardly, and duct tape keeping the whole thing together. :crazyeye:

It largely worked (though not without bugs), but it was very messy and hard to follow or change.

Now, however, everything is in tip-top shape organization wise, though we need the community's help in beta testing it. We fixed the most obvious bugs prior to release, and I ran a test game for crashes, but there are likely still bugs in the new database - units, techs, buildings, etc. might function incorrectly or be missing some of their abilities. Please report these on GitHub so they can be fixed. This will be a beta thread until a few days pass with no major bug reports, at which point I will close the previous version thread and mark this thread as stable.

In addition, azum4roll, with help from @pineappledan, has also implemented (2-22) Proposal: Integrate Enhanced Naval Warfare into VP (with modifications). Avast, ye lategame pirates!

Finally, @seroperson has fixed a caching issue that should fix a lot of desyncs in multiplayer, and implemented a warning to indicate when a desync has occurred, both of which should aid in future multiplayer stability, and @axatin has fixed another pesky Deal AI bug with impossible peace treaty deals.

Thanks again, everyone!

As I explained in the previous version thread, I have decided not to delay the next VP Congress Session (#6), which begins on October 1. Explanation below:

Spoiler :

Changelog:

Code:

General
- Multiplayer clients which have desynced will now post an alert to all players in chat, with an instruction to submit a bug report on GitHub so we can make multiplayer stable
    No need to wait for a crash/force resync anymore
- Fixed a caching issue in multiplayer that was responsible for many desyncs
- Fixed an issue where the AI offers peace deals they won't accept
- Fixed production from Trade Routes not counting towards Process yields
- Blocked the Enhanced Naval Warfare modmod, as it is now integrated into VP

Complete Merge Fixes
- Dramatic and thorough reorganization of the (2) Vox Populi mod, including the following bugfixes
- Removed all unused promotions that VP added
- Removed all changes to unused vanilla promotions
- Fixed Clear a Marsh costing 600 time instead of 400 (potentially a UI only bug)
- Fixed Incan units being able to walk on Lake Victoria like Jesus
- Fixed Tradition finisher not boosting Embassies
- Fixed Rialto District, Arsenale di Venezia, Murano Glassworks, The Smithsonian, West Point, Hoover Dam not giving +1 happiness with Ceremony
- Fixed Military Base giving only 5 Air Defense instead of the intended 15
- Fixed Tidal Plant not having AI flavors
- Fixed Cathedral still having a Great Work slot
- Fixed Brandenburg Gate help text mentioning a Poverty reduction
- Fixed Menin Gate not giving Golden Age Points on unit death
- Fixed outdated Great Firewall help text
- Fixed wrong Chancery flavors
- Fixed Piazza San Marco not having Great Work of Art slot
- Fixed wrong England UA text
- Fixed outdated reference to Advanced Actions in White Tower help text
- Fixed Burial Tomb having lower Historic Event yield than Caravansary
- Fixed Great Cothon not having East India Company's base yields
- Fixed Skola not having Public School's base yields
- Fixed Tetraconch having a maintenance cost
- Fixed instances where yields on Palace were stated to be in Capital/Holy City
- Fixed Manannan's name
- Fixed Orthodoxy description having wrong pressure% to friendly CS
- Fixed Inspired Works still boosting Embassy yields by 4 instead of 2
- Fixed unclear Sacred Sites text
- Fixed Musketeer having higher cost than Tercio and wrong UnitCombat (carried over from vanilla)
- Fixed Musketeer, Landskencht, and Impi having wrong DefaultUnitAI
- Fixed Carolean having 0 Air Defense (unlike Fusilier)
- Fixed nonsensical calls to CombatLimit/RangedCombatLimit in the DLL
- Fixed Himeji Castle promotion not being given to planes and carriers
- Fixed Statue of Zeus promotion not being given to planes, submarines and carriers
- Fixed Mandekalu Cavalry, Cataphract, Bandeirantes, Landsknecht, Nuclear Submarine not having building requirements for purchase
- Fixed Musketeer and Fusilier lacking UNITAI_COUNTER, which they should have since they have Formation
- Fixed air units lacking UNITAI_CARRIER_AIR
- Fixed Barbarian Horsemen unlocking at Trade instead of Military Strategy
- Fixed Hwach'a and Ballista having low CS, since they lack the Siege Inaccuracy penalty
- Fixed Hwach'a having UNITAI_CITY_BOMBARD
- Fixed Air Supremacy text wrongly including Helicopter
- Fixed Supply promotion not giving +5 healing in friendly land
- Fixed Fervor not being given to planes
- Fixed various promotion text not matching effect and other issues
- Fixed Dauntless and Supply promotions healing all units on the same tile
- Fixed Lightning Warfare promotions, Ambition and Ancestral Protection not working against cities
- Fixed incorrect effect on rebel event
- Fixed Woodsman help text missing attack bonus
- Fixed outdated Great People concept and mission text
- Fixed Ger not adding +1 Food to Deer
- Removed long unused city number penalty on tourism tooltip
- Removed UNITAI_EXPLORE_SEA from Galleys (not suitable)
- Removed UNITAI_EXPLORE from land melee units (use recon instead)
- Removed unnecessary COMMUNITY_CORE_BALANCE_WONDER_CONSOLATION_TWEAK_ENABLER value
- Removed tech prereq and embarkation ability from Embarkation with Defense promotion (unnecessary)
- AI won't buy horses after discovering Rocketry, instead of being in Atomic Era
- Now using Arabic numerals instead of Roman numerals for new promotion TYPEs (and text keys), also other misc name changes

Other Complete Merge Changes
- Reworked pillage gold numbers
- Bronze Working and Biology now remove -150 time each from forest removal (base time is 300)
- Luxuries that you have can now be sold before you have the tech to improve them
- Moved all luxury tech reveal to ancient era, if COMMUNITY_CORE_BALANCE_RESOURCE_REVEAL is set to 2 or 3
- Hexxon *REFINERIES* now boosts all refineries and power plants
- Standardized unit HurryCostModifier to 0 (25 for spaceship parts)
- Barbarian Handaxe is now a Slinger replacement (same stats as Slinger)
- Renamed Ambition promotion to Determination, just because it sounds cooler
- Renamed Restlessness promotion to Ceaselessness, just because it sounds cooler

Enhanced Naval Warfare Integration
- See linked proposal thread above for details
- Slight changes were made, ask azum4roll for what those were

Link: https://github.com/LoneGazebo/Commu...s/download/Release-4.2.7/Vox.Populi.4.2.7.exe

Online as of 10:14 PM CST. Not savegame compatible.

Spoiler 4.1 - 4.1.2 Changes :

Spoiler 4.2 - 4.2.5 Changes :

Version 4.2.6 has been released. Link above has been updated.

Changelog:

Code:

- Increased AI willingness to resurrect dead players
- Fixed a crash whenever the AI obtains a B17 Bomber
- Fixed longstanding early starvation bug
- Fixed NoMinorCivGift column not working properly
- Fixed an issue with the Find Player quest in Community Patch Only
- Fixed Global Liberation taking effect when a player with Iron Fist has teammates who don't
- Fixed the tooltip for Third Alternative
- Adjusted a compatibility file for EMR modmod
- Code cleanup

Online as of 9:39 AM CST on October 30. Savegame compatible with 4.2 versions.

I declare 4.2.6 to be stable (now that a previously undiscovered crash in 4.2.5 is fixed).

---
Version 4.2.7 has been released. Link above has been updated.

Changelog:

Code:

- Tactical AI improvements and bugfixes
- Pathfinder fixes and performance improvements
- Improved Settler production logic, increased expansion further

Online as of 12:27 PM CST on October 30. Savegame compatible with 4.2 versions.

In all of my game so far I have had next to 0 strategic ressources spawning in the whole world. Is this normal? The only exception is iron which is fairly rare but not uncommon.

CppMaster · Dec 4, 2023

Lord Iguan said:
In all of my game so far I have had next to 0 strategic ressources spawning in the whole world. Is this normal? The only exception is iron which is fairly rare but not uncommon.

Not at all. What map do you use?

azum4roll · Dec 4, 2023

Definitely incompatible maps.

Starting next version, all maps which override any AssignStartingPlots functions are officially NOT supported (which doesn't mean guaranteed breaking, it'll just have a Mod Conflict label slapped on any bug report).
You can ask me here, on Discord, or on Github (as a Feature Request) if you want your map to be guaranteed playable. I've added Large Islands for the next version.

New Version - 4.2.7 (October 30, 2023)

Emperor

King

Lost the game

Warlord

Emperor

Salientia of the Community Patch

Prince

Chieftain

Emperor

Emperor

King

Emperor

Warlord

Chieftain

Prince

Already Looping

Prince

Chieftain

Deity

Lost the game

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