Feudal Japan in the 1860s

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Takhisis

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After finishing reading Gai-jin, finally starting to shave (at fifteen)
here´s an idea for a mod (although you shouldn´t even dream of my doing more than the map):
The decadence of the Tokugawa Shogunate
You start as the Tokugawa Shogun, trying desperately to:
  1. resist the attempts of the gai-jin (Ing'erish and others) to force a change of relations, opening up of ports, free trade concessions, etc...
  2. Bring the rebellious daimyos to heel, especially Choshu, Satsuma, Tosa, Hizen... if they don´t comply you can force them to commit seppuku or make the gai-jin and their flets go against them...
  3. Contain the shishi terrorists, who want to give power back to the Emperor
More info: daimyos Old provinces of Japan
 
The gai-jin will be only at Yokohama... but their gunpowder-armed fleets (with lethal bombardment), and their modern troops can give a good account of themselves, they can fight against the daimyo or the Bakufu equally.
The Dutch will be at Deshima in Nagasaki and you´ll be able to buy cannon from them -at exorbitant costs!- and they won´t fight against anyone.
The shishi are going to assassinate gai-jin, Bakufu, daimyo, whatever´s on their path to victory.
I don´t know how to do this, but you should be able to barter gold, coal or other mining concessions to the gai-jin (and Dutch) in exchange for peace or weapons.

Here´s a map of Feudal Japan from Wikipedia...
 

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Give it a go, there's plenty of units for it....
 
Then I´ll make the map sometime in the next 3-4 weeks, and I´ll leave most of the rest to you guys.
 
Well, the land map will obviously be the same, but I´ll have to preplace the cities and the units -once we/you work out how to make the gai-jin only beatable at high unit costs, and how to create "incidents" that the shishi and rival daimyo create to irritate the gai-jin.
 
William GBTW said:
How about a modified form of the Japan Conquest?
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Hey, good idea. Give them cities already and units. That's pimpin'. [pimp]

J/K
 
Of course I´ll give them cities and units! Don´t you think that adding names for the main provinces will be fine?
 
Nope, that´s a map of Feudal Japan, the part in red is Hizen province (around Nagasaki). I´ll upload another map in a couple of hours.
 
The new map...
 

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Interesting idea! Good luck to you on the project. The Tokugawa era is very complex politically. You are going to have to be very creative to replicate in the game many concepts and nuances of Japanese society which don't conform to the CIV3 "power equals city control" paradigm.

Novels are great for "flavor" but I highly recommend reading the Tokugawa era sections from any of the many one volume histories of Japan available. Japan: The Story of a Nation by Edwin O. Reischauer is a good place to start.
 
And how much is that book?
 
A very interesting scenario you have planned here. :) Will this be solely focused on the Tokugawa regime or will you also get to play as one of the rebelling clans (such as Choshu and Satsuma)?
 
Takhisis said:
And how much is that book?
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Used copies start on Alibris for $2.95. It's a fairly common book (there are several copies in our county library system) so you might be able to find it at your local public library.
 
That map looks good. It will be rather diffcult though, with all the nations. I might check that book out for me just for fun. :)
 
conquer_dude said:
That map looks good. It will be rather diffcult though, with all the nations.
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The map has actually simplified the situation. During the Edo period there were usually around a total of 300 individual fiefs. The map has combined all of the smaller ones.

Instead of looking at the scenario as competition between individual Daimyos as "civs" it might be better to focus on which groups are vying for power. Some are geographic; some are not.

How do you represent the Emperor who has no temporal power and basically controls only the palace he lives in?

Here's a tip. Wealth in Japan was not measured or assessed in gold but in rice.
 
1) also, the individual daimyo fought amongst each other for control of the Palace Gates. How can I represent that? I think that I´ll have to make them separate nations after all... perhaps a locked alliance. In the book, the Choshus fought the Satsumas out of Kyoto...
2)@Ogedei: It´ll only be for the Tokugawa.
3)Is there any way to make the thing say, when negotiating for money, koku instead of gold? There must be, 'cos in every language it´s stated correctly: gold, oro, ouro, etc...

btw
Used copies start on Alibris for $2.95. It's a fairly common book (there are several copies in our county library system) so you might be able to find it at your local public library.
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I meant in Argentina, since I live there.
 
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