Next ALC: Vanilla, Warlords, Patched Warlords?

Sisiutil · Oct 30, 2006, 12:28 PM

All Leaders Challenge game #9 is over. All Leaders Challenge game #10 will feature Asoka of India. But which version of Civilization should the game be based upon?

Should I just get the game underway with vanilla Civ IV (since you folks are so impatient).

I have bought Warlords! Yay! Should I play the next ALC with the unpatched version, get used to the basic changes, and then adjust the gameplay on the following ALC when the patch (hopefully) is out?

Should I delay the next ALC until the Warlords patch is available?

Frankly, my own preference is either for option 1 or 3. Given the educational nature of the ALC games, I'm not big on the idea of learning strategies and tactics that will, very shortly, no longer be valid. But let me know what you think.

patagonia · Oct 30, 2006, 12:49 PM

I was going to say 1 or 3 - definitely not 2.

Looking at the end of game stats for ALC9, it took over 16 hours to play and must have taken a fair amount of time to write up, so considering the time and effort that goes into these games, it seems silly to start one with a buggy version that'll be obsolete soonish.

DuseCutter · Oct 30, 2006, 12:57 PM

I'm in the same boat. The day they announced that there was going to be a patch I had just bought Warlords at lunch. Oops, so now I'm waiting to install Warlords until the patch.

johnny_rico · Oct 30, 2006, 01:04 PM

I didn't really miss a beat moving from civ 4 vanilla to warlords. I haven't experienced any bugs and the changes they made in game play plus additions have been welcome.

I would encourage you to play with an unpatched warlords so you can see how much fun an army of trebuchets are before they up the cost. Engineering, as a technology, has never looked so appealing. Pikes, roads +1, trebs, and the hagia.

all this said, I am looking forward to the patch because the improved AI changes will be welcome.

Sam_Yeager · Oct 30, 2006, 01:05 PM

I quite like my regular fix of ALC so option 1 would be preferable to 3.

It will after all allow you to further hone your skills at Monarch. A reprise at Monarch will help my game playing as well. I'm trying to remember if you have already played a leader with the same traits. I don't think you have but I wouldn't put money on it.

LosBlack · Oct 30, 2006, 01:23 PM

i think we need another Vanilla game. if it's a week until the patch, that means 2 weeks-ish before you're ready to play and ALC on Warlords, right? if you think the clamoring is bad now..

Ashlord · Oct 30, 2006, 01:30 PM

I voted for Warlords patched. That will give you time to work on your story over in the Stories and Tales forum. That is off to a good beginning by the way. If you don't look out, it could turn into another Pax Romana.

Eggolas · Oct 30, 2006, 01:38 PM

It should be interesting to see if Warlords (patched or unpatched) wins out against Vanilla Civ IV.

There are so many good changes in Warlords and tactical options that it would be nice to see the discussions such as how to use your newly minted general, whether to gambit the Great Wall, etc.

Most of those issues won't change in the patch. The improved AI is simply an improved AI, not really anything new to learn. The increased cost of the Trebs may or may not be a breaker. The 50% reduction on GP points for the Great Wall simply makes the gambit for the Pyramids more difficult and the CS slingshot will probably be out of range unless one pops a couple of tech huts along the path.

Overall though, I'm not sure that the patch will change the game enough to not want to play the current version.

TheArchduke · Oct 30, 2006, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashlord

I voted for Warlords patched. That will give you time to work on your story over in the Stories and Tales forum. That is off to a good beginning by the way. If you don't look out, it could turn into another Pax Romana.

Another vote for 3, not because I don´t like the unpatched Warlords ( I think it is fine) but because of your roman story.

Jet · Oct 30, 2006, 02:53 PM

Heh - treat yourself to an Early Great Wall (tm) before it's too late. But really, The Wall isn't much different in the patch for a non philo leader, just 1 GPP instead of 2. In general to me the patch doesn't look much different. I wouldn't worry about it. Besides, you'll get to build the Mausoleum,the UB that puts the uber back into UB (totally not

).

ace94d · Oct 30, 2006, 07:50 PM

I Voted for Civanilla.

Mainly because I dont want to wait for the Patch. But also because I don't have Warlords and dont want to salavate at the Pretty Pictures.

kniteowl · Oct 30, 2006, 07:56 PM

Civ4 Vanilla on the condition you use blake's improved AI mods

Download at this link http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...0&pagenumber=7

Your gonna eventually play against the smarter AI on the new patch eventually anywayz so might as well get started.

Blake's Currently improving on the AI's Great People Usage, you could wait untill he's fin with that 1st or you can just go ahead play ASAP if your impatient

I'm Gonna go back to Vanilla and test out how much this New AI is capable of...?

Gnarfflinger · Oct 30, 2006, 10:49 PM

I've been hearing about this patch for a while now. I think you have time for one before the patch is ready.

aelf · Oct 31, 2006, 03:22 AM

Vanilla with Blake's mod seems like a good idea. I'm against playing the unpatched Warlords now as in it would very soon be obsolete. At least Vanilla isn't going to suffer the same fate (and there are people who still don't have Warlords and may not be planning to get it). If you want a taste of the new patch, install the mod on Vanilla.

So it's option 1 for me

kniteowl · Oct 31, 2006, 06:37 AM

There's No point in this poll anymore LOL THE WARLORDS PATCH HAS BEEN RELEASED well... it's says so on this thread http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=191191

You can get the patch off this website
http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/c...atch/9470.html

I'm not sure when the Staff of this website will post a mirror "download link" for the patch

Killroyan · Oct 31, 2006, 07:05 AM

Ok voted for vanilla because I didn't wanted to wait :P (yes I am one of the impatient ones, just like Cabert) but now the patch has arrived I would say go option 3.

cabert · Oct 31, 2006, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killroyan

Ok voted for vanilla because I didn't wanted to wait :P (yes I am one of the impatient ones, just like Cabert) but now the patch has arrived I would say go option 3.

I'm not impatient, it's just that I know you should not lose momentum

. The ALC became a big part of these forums, and as such should not be out too long.

Same for me. Since there is no more waiting, go on with patched warlords (and be ready to get kicked

)

DuseCutter · Oct 31, 2006, 07:16 AM

I also change my vote to patched Warlords now that the patch has been released.

drkodos · Oct 31, 2006, 07:27 AM

Warlords, Parched version, and start with Noble again.

I had the luck to beta test the patch and I found it made substantial changes that serve to increase difficulty level (Blake AI changes are significant in making AI "smarter").

flamingzaroc121 · Oct 31, 2006, 09:19 AM

kniteowl i dont think that is the real patch because when i go into the game and say Check for Updates nothing comes up

View Poll Results: On which version of Civilization IV should the next ALC game be played?
Vanilla Civilization IV 1.61 (no Warlords)	21	30.00%
Warlords, unpatched	9	12.86%
Warlords, patched	40	57.14%
Voters: 70. You may not vote on this poll

Oct 30, 2006, 12:57 PM	#3
DuseCutter Chieftain Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 71	I'm in the same boat. The day they announced that there was going to be a patch I had just bought Warlords at lunch. Oops, so now I'm waiting to install Warlords until the patch. __________________ Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

Oct 30, 2006, 01:04 PM	#4
johnny_rico one more turn addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MN Posts: 598	I didn't really miss a beat moving from civ 4 vanilla to warlords. I haven't experienced any bugs and the changes they made in game play plus additions have been welcome. I would encourage you to play with an unpatched warlords so you can see how much fun an army of trebuchets are before they up the cost. Engineering, as a technology, has never looked so appealing. Pikes, roads +1, trebs, and the hagia. all this said, I am looking forward to the patch because the improved AI changes will be welcome. __________________ Crush enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women.

Oct 30, 2006, 01:05 PM	#5
Sam_Yeager Another Original Geezer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: England Posts: 2,768	I quite like my regular fix of ALC so option 1 would be preferable to 3. It will after all allow you to further hone your skills at Monarch. A reprise at Monarch will help my game playing as well. I'm trying to remember if you have already played a leader with the same traits. I don't think you have but I wouldn't put money on it. __________________ Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. Abraham Lincoln

Oct 30, 2006, 01:30 PM	#7
Ashlord Steeler Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 49	I voted for Warlords patched. That will give you time to work on your story over in the Stories and Tales forum. That is off to a good beginning by the way. If you don't look out, it could turn into another Pax Romana. __________________ If you can't be nice then go for the throat

Oct 30, 2006, 12:28 PM	#1
Sisiutil All Leader Challenger Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,784	Next ALC: Vanilla, Warlords, Patched Warlords? All Leaders Challenge game #9 is over. All Leaders Challenge game #10 will feature Asoka of India. But which version of Civilization should the game be based upon? Should I just get the game underway with vanilla Civ IV (since you folks are so impatient). I have bought Warlords! Yay! Should I play the next ALC with the unpatched version, get used to the basic changes, and then adjust the gameplay on the following ALC when the patch (hopefully) is out? Should I delay the next ALC until the Warlords patch is available? Frankly, my own preference is either for option 1 or 3. Given the educational nature of the ALC games, I'm not big on the idea of learning strategies and tactics that will, very shortly, no longer be valid. But let me know what you think. __________________ Stories and Tales: Princes of the Universe Part I / Part II The All Leaders Challenge Games (ALC Bullpen thread) Civ IV Strategy Articles: Strategy Guide for Beginners / Intermediate Tactics & Gambits / Stack o' Doom / Early Rush / Leader Traits

Oct 30, 2006, 12:49 PM	#2
patagonia Emperor Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,025	I was going to say 1 or 3 - definitely not 2. Looking at the end of game stats for ALC9, it took over 16 hours to play and must have taken a fair amount of time to write up, so considering the time and effort that goes into these games, it seems silly to start one with a buggy version that'll be obsolete soonish.

Oct 30, 2006, 01:23 PM	#6
LosBlack The Man from Utopia Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Where the torture never stops.. Posts: 87	i think we need another Vanilla game. if it's a week until the patch, that means 2 weeks-ish before you're ready to play and ALC on Warlords, right? if you think the clamoring is bad now..

Oct 30, 2006, 01:38 PM	#8
Eggolas Warlord Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 286	It should be interesting to see if Warlords (patched or unpatched) wins out against Vanilla Civ IV. There are so many good changes in Warlords and tactical options that it would be nice to see the discussions such as how to use your newly minted general, whether to gambit the Great Wall, etc. Most of those issues won't change in the patch. The improved AI is simply an improved AI, not really anything new to learn. The increased cost of the Trebs may or may not be a breaker. The 50% reduction on GP points for the Great Wall simply makes the gambit for the Pyramids more difficult and the CS slingshot will probably be out of range unless one pops a couple of tech huts along the path. Overall though, I'm not sure that the patch will change the game enough to not want to play the current version.

Oct 30, 2006, 02:53 PM	#10
Jet No, no, please. Please. Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,319	Heh - treat yourself to an Early Great Wall (tm) before it's too late. But really, The Wall isn't much different in the patch for a non philo leader, just 1 GPP instead of 2. In general to me the patch doesn't look much different. I wouldn't worry about it. Besides, you'll get to build the Mausoleum,the UB that puts the uber back into UB (totally not ).

Oct 30, 2006, 07:50 PM	#11
ace94d Steel Mind, Dull Edge Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 97	I Voted for Civanilla. Mainly because I dont want to wait for the Patch. But also because I don't have Warlords and dont want to salavate at the Pretty Pictures.

Oct 30, 2006, 07:56 PM	#12
kniteowl Pirate Captain :P Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NZ Posts: 1,269	Civ4 Vanilla on the condition you use blake's improved AI mods Download at this link http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...0&pagenumber=7 Your gonna eventually play against the smarter AI on the new patch eventually anywayz so might as well get started. Blake's Currently improving on the AI's Great People Usage, you could wait untill he's fin with that 1st or you can just go ahead play ASAP if your impatient I'm Gonna go back to Vanilla and test out how much this New AI is capable of...? __________________ WANTED : DEAD OR ALIVE AWARD : POST COUNT lol Fear My Privateers! Last edited by kniteowl; Oct 30, 2006 at 08:25 PM.

Oct 30, 2006, 10:49 PM	#13
Gnarfflinger Wiseguy in Training Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: West Lorne, Ontario Posts: 1,782	I've been hearing about this patch for a while now. I think you have time for one before the patch is ready. __________________ "Brussel sprouts aren't food, they're AMMUNITION" If I can be of assistance, then you're in worse shape than I thought you were...

Oct 31, 2006, 03:22 AM	#14
aelf Noctis Lucis Caelum Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kate Spade oligarchy Posts: 13,405	Vanilla with Blake's mod seems like a good idea. I'm against playing the unpatched Warlords now as in it would very soon be obsolete. At least Vanilla isn't going to suffer the same fate (and there are people who still don't have Warlords and may not be planning to get it). If you want a taste of the new patch, install the mod on Vanilla. So it's option 1 for me __________________ JESUS wants you. Civ 4 Walkthroughs: EMC I: Diplomacy, EMC II (Warlords): Religion, EMC III (Warlords): Trade routes, EMC IV (Warlords): Semi-peaceful, IC I (Warlords): Montezuma, IC II (Warlords): Frederick, IC III (Warlords): Churchill, IC IV (Warlords): Mehmed Civ 4 Strategy Article: A Comprehensive UU Guide

Oct 31, 2006, 06:37 AM	#15
kniteowl Pirate Captain :P Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NZ Posts: 1,269	There's No point in this poll anymore LOL THE WARLORDS PATCH HAS BEEN RELEASED well... it's says so on this thread http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=191191 You can get the patch off this website http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/c...atch/9470.html I'm not sure when the Staff of this website will post a mirror "download link" for the patch __________________ WANTED : DEAD OR ALIVE AWARD : POST COUNT lol Fear My Privateers!

Oct 31, 2006, 07:05 AM	#16
Killroyan Deity Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,013	Ok voted for vanilla because I didn't wanted to wait :P (yes I am one of the impatient ones, just like Cabert) but now the patch has arrived I would say go option 3.

Oct 31, 2006, 07:16 AM	#18
DuseCutter Chieftain Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 71	I also change my vote to patched Warlords now that the patch has been released.

Oct 31, 2006, 07:27 AM	#19
drkodos Charter Member:TCOGTUI Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Renting-a-tent Posts: 1,849	Warlords, Parched version, and start with Noble again. I had the luck to beta test the patch and I found it made substantial changes that serve to increase difficulty level (Blake AI changes are significant in making AI "smarter"). __________________ KOYAANISQATSI Art is free. It stimulates the viewer to insert their own meaning, their own value ~ Godfrey Reggio

Oct 31, 2006, 09:19 AM	#20
flamingzaroc121 Emperor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,133	kniteowl i dont think that is the real patch because when i go into the game and say Check for Updates nothing comes up __________________ *I'm not superstitious, I'm a little stitious*

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