Weird declaration of war

thetrooper · Nov 6, 2006

I just finished a huge Earth game as the Ottomans. I managed to trigger a world war in the late industrial age (yeah, I was fed up buying overseas luxuries :mischief:

). Recently born democracies turned commie or even fascist during this war. I (rank 1) signed up all the 'backwards' civs on the other continent against the Mongols (rank 2). Among the civs I signed was the Greeks. I did the usual landings with infantry, sipahis, settlers and artillery on luxury spots. Sometime during this phase 20+ Greek Frigates moved into my coastal squares. I didn't boot them - just Frigates right?

And suddenly: "The Greeks declared war on us".

Turned out that one of my remote cities had only a Privateer in port, no defenders. The Frigates bombarded the Privateer down to one HP and left again.

Instant War Happiness and a chance to train my bombers!

Is this just another case of the AI going nuts over hidden nationality units or something else? A weird way to declare war if you ask me...

Sashie VII · Nov 6, 2006

Interesting. When I read the second paragraph the submarines thing came to mind.

Could it be that the DoW was triggered by the Greek frigate bombarding something in your city?

thetrooper · Nov 6, 2006

Sashie VII said:
Interesting. When I read the second paragraph the submarines thing came to mind.

Could it be that the DoW was triggered by the Greek frigate bombarding something in your city?

I think that they went for the Privateer. It was the only unit in the city. Since they couldn't sink it directly they just bombarded it. No more hits after they redlined the Privateer. My explanation is that they didn't want a war with me (too powerful compared to them) but the 'need' to get to that Privateer overruled anything. I had other 'empty' cities too, the Frigates easily passed them without doing squat.

:crazyeye:

Bartleby · Nov 6, 2006

Attacking a privateer shouldn't be a DoW; must be because it was in port. Dunno if I've ever seen that before though.

Sashie VII · Nov 6, 2006

By "something" I was referring to the Privateer..I think so too, they just wanted that Privateer and the DoW was an unfortunate side effect :lol:

thetrooper · Nov 6, 2006

Sashie VII said:
...they just wanted that Privateer and the DoW was an unfortunate side effect

You got it... unfortunate side effect. It was the beginning of the end for the Greeks.

:mischief:

I have to test this 'incident' in other games.

Turner · Nov 6, 2006

I wonder if you were to reload the turn before and put the Privateer outside the city, if you would still have a DoW.

Sashie VII · Nov 6, 2006

I think it won't be war in that case, Turner

thetrooper · Nov 6, 2006

Turner said:
I wonder if you were to reload the turn before and put the Privateer outside the city, if you would still have a DoW.

Good point there Turner, but I had several Privateers sunk earlier in the game. No DoW.

Turner · Nov 6, 2006

Sashie VII said:
I think it won't be war in that case, Turner

That was kinda my point....

The Loser · Nov 6, 2006

I had the same situation once, it is the pirateer indeed.
but with you beeing nr 1 the greeks will be no problem

Sashie VII · Nov 6, 2006

Turner said:
That was kinda my point....

I don't get it :lol:

But for some reason this brings me to laughter :rotfl:

thetrooper · Nov 6, 2006

The Loser said:
I had the same situation once, it is the pirateer indeed.
but with you beeing nr 1 the greeks will be no problem

Ah, good to have some kind of confirmation. And as I said it was the beginning of the end for the Greeks.

Worst case of Republic-Fascism switch I've ever seen too. By the time I got to them (4-5 turns on the high seas) their cities were reduced to 1-pop towns.

thetrooper · Nov 6, 2006

Turner said:
That was kinda my point....

Thinking about it, I could try to dig up a save from that game and either a) disband the Privateer, or b) put a Cruiser or something like that on top of the Privateer.

Sashie VII · Nov 6, 2006

thetrooper said:
Worst case of Republic-Fascism switch I've ever seen too. By the time I got to them (4-5 turns on the high seas) their cities were reduced to 1-pop towns.

Hahahaha

AutomatedTeller · Nov 6, 2006

I'm surprised - I didn't realize the AI could tell what ships were in port. The human can't without investigation.

it definitely seems like a bug - I would think that arranging to do this on purpose, just to get someone to declare on you, would be an exploit for GOTM/COTM.

Swiss_Mercenari · Nov 6, 2006

Well, there were no other defenders or units within the city, so the AI bombared the first unit it saw.
The AI hates hidden nationality units.

Sashie VII · Nov 7, 2006

AutomatedTeller said:
I'm surprised - I didn't realize the AI could tell what ships were in port. The human can't without investigation.

it definitely seems like a bug - I would think that arranging to do this on purpose, just to get someone to declare on you, would be an exploit for GOTM/COTM.

Would doing this be comparable to "failing" an espionage mission on a particularly furious civ?

azzaman333 · Nov 7, 2006

Sashie VII said:
Would doing this be comparable to "failing" an espionage mission on a particularly furious civ?

No, because this is a specific exploit of the AI.

Bartleby · Nov 7, 2006

It'd be more like sending loads of subs into their waters and waiting to be "bumped into."

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