German Brandenburg-class Pre-Dreadnought v2.0

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This model is from General Matt... he still can't access CFC, so I'm posting it for him... progress on new naval units continues, and here is his latest work...

This ship, made by General Matt, is an updated/improved version of the SMS Brandenburg Pre-Dreadnought (call it, v2.0)... now all three main batteries rotate and fire (previous version, only the forward and stern batteries engaged, the center battery was stagnant)... so with this new version, all six 11-inch guns will rotate and fire.

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The Brandenburg class pre-dreadnought battleships were built in the early 1890s, at the cost of 9.3 million Marks each for the Imperial German Navy. They were unusual for their time in possessing a broadside of six heavy guns, rather than the four guns typical of contemporary battleships. They also possessed a lighter than usual secondary battery which has caused some naval historians to view them as an early expression of the Dreadnought concept. However, despite their unique mix of weaponry, the ships were designed to fight at short ranges and the secondary battery was considered part of the offensive armament, making the Brandenburgs a variation on the Pre-dreadnought theme rather than being a form of "proto-dreadnought". The Brandenburg's secondary armament consisted of eight 10.5 cm guns in casemates and another eight 8.8 cm guns, also casemated. The ships were also armed with three 45 cm torpedo tubes.

Weißenburg and Kurfürst Friedrich Wilhelm were armored with Krupp nickel steel armor, but due to delivery problems, the Brandenburg and Wörth were armored with a composite armor. The Krupp armor effectively provided twice the amount of protection afforded by the composite armor. The ships of the class had an armored belt twelve to sixteen inches (406 mm) thick, at its strongest point. The turrets were protected by 9 inches (230 mm) of armor plate, and the deck was covered by 3 inches (76 mm) of armor.

During testing on 16 February 1894, a steam pipe exploded while the Brandenburg was in port. The accident killed 25 men of the crew and 18 dockyard workers. In 1900, SMS Brandenburg, part of the 2nd Division, was sent to China during the Boxer Rebellion, although did not participate in any fighting. The 2nd Division stayed on station in the Far East until August, 1901, at which point they were recalled to Wilhelmshaven, Germany. Brandenburg underwent a modernization from 1903 to 1904, and was again on the active roles by April, 1905. At the outbreak of World War I, Brandenburg was serving in V Squadron, and was tasked with coastal defense. However, by December, 1915, the ship was deactivated and assigned to barracks ship duties. Her main armament was removed and transferred to the Ottoman Empire, which had just purchased two of Brandenburg's sister ships, the Kurfürst Friedrich Wilhelm and the Weißenburg. In May 1919, Brandenburg was stricken from the German Navy lists and sold for scrap.

All needed files, including custom animation files are included in the download.

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SMS Brandenburg in-game:
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SMS Brandenburg fires on the HMS Canopus:
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Very nice and very informative.:thumbsup:

Broadside engagement seems very reminiscent of the age of sail; do you know if it was still actively employed during WW I, like in the engagement on the North Sea, which caused the Kriegsmarine surface fleet to remain bottled up for the remainder of the war? (I've been reading about the effort to sink the Bismarck in WW II, where all participating ships started firing shells long before any broadside firing was possible and most damage seemed to be done in the non-broadside stages.)
 
Hi ,

Congrats again General Matt

Have a nice day :)
 
Very nice Model! Man I love all these ships!

@JEELEN: Broadside firing was certainly the norm for gun armed surface ships right up to the present. The simple reason is you can bring more guns to bear along the length of ship and on its cross section. The reason being that ships need to be much longer than they are beamy. There were attempts to get better end on fire, look at H.M.S. Dreadnought with her six forward firing guns. But by WWI the standard turret arrangements all emphasized broadside fire.

The engagement you mention, the Battle of Jutland, broadside firing was key. At one point Admiral Jellicoe, the british commander, crossed the T of the German fleet, i.e. he placed the British fleet accross the direction the Germans were sailing in. This meant he had the broadsides of almost 40 dreadnoughts firing at the german line where only the first ship or two could fire back. Vice Admiral Scheer wisely decided upon a tactical withdrawal at this point. During the Run to the South, the battle between the Battle Cruisers, the germans sank two british battlecruisers using broadside firing.

As far as the Bismarck was concerned, H.M.S. Hood was sunk attempting to close so she could begin broadside firing. In Bismarck's final battle the two british battleships that sank her, H.M.S. Rodney and King George V, basically sailed up and down firing broadsides at Bismarck until she was a flaming wreck.
 
As far as the Bismarck was concerned, H.M.S. Hood was sunk attempting to close so she could begin broadside firing. In Bismarck's final battle the two british battleships that sank her, H.M.S. Rodney and King George V, basically sailed up and down firing broadsides at Bismarck until she was a flaming wreck.
It doesn't take much effort to win a naval battle or outmaneuver your opponent, when your foe can't maneuver his ship and has no way of controlling where he is or steering in any way-shape-or-form... that was a foregone conclusion before the battle even started... the Bismarck was doomed by circumstance of a jammed rudder...

...but back on-topic... yes, I love these old ships too... the age of the pre-dreadnought was a very interesting time for navies around the world.
 
hi ,

Wolfshanze what about a Q ship , .... :confused:

:hmmm: is this going to be the start of a whole new ship line units , .... :mischief:

just sat there watching this unit over and over for like 15 min , man its a great job :goodjob:

Have a nice evening :)
 
hi ,

Wolfshanze what about a Q ship , .... :confused:

:hmmm: is this going to be the start of a whole new ship line units , .... :mischief:

just sat there watching this unit over and over for like 15 min , man its a great job :goodjob:

Have a nice evening :)
Matt and I have conspired to make as many Pre-Dreadnoughts as possible... there are already completed Pre-Dreadnoughts for the following nations:
Germany
America
England
Japan
Russia (by Refar)

More will be made as well (those listed above are already in the download database).

I also have all those Pre-Dreadnoughts in my Wolfshanze Mod.
 
Gotta love those pre dreads, any plans to make some of those hideously ugly late 19th century french BB's and AC's in the near future? They would make a fine addition to any french admiral's fleet. Also a good british armoured cruiser wouldn't go amiss, maybe a Duke of Edinburgh or a Cressy?
 
Gotta love those pre dreads, any plans to make some of those hideously ugly late 19th century french BB's and AC's in the near future? They would make a fine addition to any french admiral's fleet. Also a good british armoured cruiser wouldn't go amiss, maybe a Duke of Edinburgh or a Cressy?
Well... this is the offical "to-do" list for naval units... there are some hideously-ugly french pre-dreadnoughts on the list... I don't have any late 19th century cruisers on the list (even though I do have armored cruisers in the Wolfshanze Mod) simply because I'd rather get this list done first... and there's still much work to be done... but yes... it'd be nice to get some ugly armored cruisers from the end of the 19th century done too... just so many models, so little time!

Here's the "to-do" list, with previously completed models also mentioned:

Spoiler :
United States:
BB: Iowa (already done)
Dread: Florida
Pre-Dread: Iowa (already done)
CV: Essex (already done)
CA: Brooklyn (already done... technically a "CL" though) or Baltimore (a true CA)
DD: Fletcher
Submarine: Gato (already done)

England:
BB: Hood (already done by Danrell) or King George V (I use your QE Battleship for the Commonwealth nations)
Dread: Dreadnought (already done by Danrell)
Pre-Dread: Canopus (already done)
CV: Ark Royal (already done)
CA: Kent/London/Norfolk... (already done)
DD: Tribal (already done)
Submarine: T Class (not Thames, but "T") (already done)

Germany:
BB: Bismarck (already done)
Dread: Helgoland (already done)
Pre-Dread: Brandenburg (already done)
CV: Graf Zeppelin (already done)
CA: Admiral Hipper or Graf Spee
DD: Zerstörer 1934... aka; 'Leberecht Maas'
Submarine: Type VIIC U-Boat (already done)

France:
BB: Dunkerque (already done)
Dread: Courbet
Pre-Dread: Jauréguiberry or Charlemagne
CV: Béarn
CA: Algerie
DD: Le Fantasque
Submarine: Le Redoutable or Surcouf (both already done)

Japan:
BB: Yamato (already done)
Dread: Settsu/Kawachi
Pre-Dread: Mikasa (already done)
CV: Zuikaku (already done) or Akagi
CA: Takao
DD: Yugumo
Submarine: Type B (already done)

Russia:
BB: Gangut (already done) or Sovietski Soyuz
Dread: Gangut (they didn't have any other classes)
Pre-Dread: Bronenosets Tsesarevich (already done, but missing turrets!)
CV: Project 71 or Project 72
CA: Kirov
DD: Leningrad
Submarine: Scuka (already done)

Italy:
BB: Littorio (already done)
Dread: Conte Di Cavour
Pre-Dread: Regina Margherita or Emanuele Filiberto
CV: Aquila
CA: Zara
DD: Soldati
Submarine: Marconi or Marcello (both already done)

Austria:
BB:
Dread: Tegetthoff
Pre-Dread: Erzherzog Karl
CV:
CA:
DD:
Submarine:
 
Quite the list, you have I wish my artistic abilities had advanced beyond the stage of stick people so I could mod some of those. I'll look forward to seeing some of those WWII era heavy cruisers, really some of the finest looking steel ships ever produced. I guess once that list is done some of the late 19th/early 20th century armoured cruisers may be in order.
 
the unit is improved.
however,why the wires between the masts are missing?where is the secondary armament?
details,that they make tha difference....
 
Well, it does have the secondary, they are just (obviously) small. And the ropes are not there for polygonal purposes.
 
the unit is improved.
however,why the wires between the masts are missing?where is the secondary armament?
details,that they make tha difference....
Where it's always been... casemated in the hull of the ship... it's even visible in the screenshot at the top of this post if you know what you're looking for. You just have to know where to look, but the secondary battery is definately there, and visible. The Brandenburgs had some of the smallest secondary guns of any pre-dreadnought (but they made-up for it with a 50% larger main battery).

The only Pre-Dreadnought model for Civ4 that is missing guns is not one of General Matts... the Russian Pre-Dreadnought (made by someone else, I forget who) is actually missing several secondary guns (most, if-not-all in fact)... yet everyone seems to love it, and it's the most incorrect pre-dreadnought that's been made.
 
Well, Refar himself said the model was more meant to replace the ironclad ingame, not as a fully fledged pre-dreadnought.
 
Well, Refar himself said the model was more meant to replace the ironclad ingame, not as a fully fledged pre-dreadnought.
But the Bronenosets Tsesarevich itself IS A PRE-DREADNOUGHT.

I could take the battleship USS Missouri and say it's meant to be a replacement of the Trireme, but that doesn't change the fact it's still the Battleship Missouri.

Don't get me wrong... it's a great-looking model... I just wished that if he was going to model the Bronenosets Tsesarevich, model the Bronenosets Tsesarevich with all its guns... as the previous poster said... it's the details, that make the difference.
 
*sigh*
Then read for yourself.
*sigh*... you obviously don't understand a word I just said... it's the Bronenosets Tsesarevich, he said so himself... you might want to read for yourself.
 
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