Why do the U.S. troops in Iraq hate America...

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by supporting Obama more than McCain ;)

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/14/obama-troops-donations/


Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has repeatedly claimed that he can speak for the interests of U.S. troops and best represent what they want. During a November 2007 debate, for example, McCain said:

I want to — and I want to tell you something, sir. I just finished having Thanksgiving with the troops, and their message to you is — the message of these brave men and women who are serving over there is: Let us win. Let us win.

Moreover, he has charged that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), “who does not understand what’s happening in Iraq or fails to acknowledge the success in Iraq, would rather lose a war than lose a campaign.”

But a new analysis by Open Secrets finds that the U.S. military is increasingly rejecting McCain as its spokesman. Obama has received nearly six times as much money from soldiers deployed overseas. Even anti-war libertarian Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), who has suspended his campaign, has received more than four times as much as McCain:

Despite McCain’s status as a decorated veteran and a historically Republican bent among the military, members of the armed services overall — whether stationed overseas or at home — are also favoring Obama with their campaign contributions in 2008, by a $55,000 margin. Although 59 percent of federal contributions by military personnel has gone to Republicans this cycle, of money from the military to the presumed presidential nominees, 57 percent has gone to Obama.

McCain leads Obama by $4,000 in Marine Corps donations, although in all the other branches — including in the Navy, in which McCain served — Obama is leading “by significant margins.” Army Specialist Jay Navas cited Iraq war policies as a key reason he gave to Obama: “We’ll complete our duty — I’m deploying next year — because it’s a commitment I made to the nation, not to a president. But we all know that Iraq was a big mistake.”

Not only is Obama’s withdrawal plan — redeployment within 16 months — seemingly more popular amongst U.S. troops, but is also favored by Iraqi government officials. Even many wealthy donors in the United States who contributed to Bush in 2004 have been reluctant to donate to McCain because of his Iraq policies

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-deployed-abroad-give-61.html

During World War II, soldiers crouching in foxholes penned letters assuring their sweethearts that they'd be home soon. Now, between firefights in the Iraqi desert, some infantrymen have been sending a different kind of mail stateside: two or three hundred dollars -- or whatever they can spare -- towards a presidential election that could very well determine just how soon they come home.



According to an analysis of campaign contributions by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Democrat Barack Obama has received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain, and the fiercely anti-war Ron Paul, though he suspended his campaign for the Republican nomination months ago, has received more than four times McCain's haul.



Despite McCain's status as a decorated veteran and a historically Republican bent among the military, members of the armed services overall -- whether stationed overseas or at home -- are also favoring Obama with their campaign contributions in 2008, by a $55,000 margin. Although 59 percent of federal contributions by military personnel has gone to Republicans this cycle, of money from the military to the presumed presidential nominees, 57 percent has gone to Obama.


Contributions from U.S. Troops Deployed Abroad Recipient Total Number
Obama, Barack $60,642 134
Paul, Ron $45,512 99
McCain, John $10,665 26
Huckabee, Mike $7,950 10
Thompson, Fred $6,350 7
Romney, Mitt $5,550 10
Clinton, Hillary $3,240 6

With the latest campaign finance filings, detailing June fundraising, McCain has overtaken Paul among all military donors, though Paul still leads with contributors listing an overseas address. Financial support from military personnel for anti-war candidates Obama and Paul is a trend that the Center for Responsive Politics first observed last September.



Individuals in the Air Force, Army, Navy and Marine Corps have all leaned Republican this cycle, but the only branch in which that ideology has carried over to the presidential race is the Marine Corps, where McCain leads Obama by about $4,000. In each of the other branches -- including the Navy, in which McCain served when he was taken prisoner during the Vietnam War -- Obama leads by significant margins.



"That's shocking. The academic debate is between some who say that junior enlisted ranks lean slightly Republican and some who say it's about equal, but no one would point to six-to-one" in Democrats' favor, said Aaron Belkin, a professor of political science at the University of California who studies the military. "That represents a tremendous shift from 2000, when the military vote almost certainly was decisive in Florida and elsewhere, and leaned heavily towards the Republicans."



In 2000, Republican George W. Bush outraised Democrat Al Gore among military personnel almost 2 to 1. In 2004, with the Iraq war underway, John Kerry closed the gap with President Bush, but Bush still raised $1.50 from the military for every $1 his Democratic opponent collected.



A former West Point professor, Jason Dempsey, noted that the small set of contributions from deployed troops at this point in 2008 -- just 323 donations -- should not be extrapolated to form conclusions about military personnel overall. "If, on a bad day, a guy gets that letter that says [his tour has been extended] from 12 to 15 months, that could spur a quick donation and expression of anger," he said. "Donating helps members of the military express their political views privately."



Seeing political activity of any sort among soldiers is notable, Dempsey added. "It's hard to describe how apolitical a lot of the enlisted ranks are. He's worried about other things than following the news."



Obama, who opposed the war in Iraq but was not in the Senate when it was authorized, has said that as president, he would withdraw most troops from Iraq within about 16 months. McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and a staunch proponent of the Iraq war, has resisted setting a timeline for withdrawal.



CRP's totals based on employer are limited to donors contributing more than $200, since information is not provided to the Federal Election Commission for smaller contributions. So these figures are likely to disproportionately represent the mood of officers, who have more disposable income to spend on politics than do the lower ranks. But because young people tend to be more liberal than their elders, the total dollar figures could lean even more in Obama's favor.



"One possibly mundane explanation (for the tilt in contributions from deployed soldiers) is that the Obama campaign has just been so much savvier with web-based donors. It may be a logistical question," Belkin pointed out.



Army Specialist Jay Navas contributed $250 while deployed in Iraq, but it wasn't over the Internet. "It took some effort to get that check. I had my mom send me my checkbook and I walked to the post office in Camp Liberty in Baghdad with an envelope addressed to Barack Obama in Chicago, Illinois," he said. "He was right on Iraq long when others were jumping into the sea like lemmings, and that's hard to do. We're soldiers and we respect courage."



Only the Coast Guard prefers Democrats across the board, with 78 percent of employees' total federal contributions going to members of that party, and Obama beating McCain $7,795 to $250. Navas anecdotally confirmed that soldiers are often conservative but that many are making an exception in the presidential race. "Most of my friends are conservative Republicans and they say, 'I'm voting for Barack.' McCain does not have a lock on the military vote, that's for sure," he said. "We'll complete our duty -- I'm deploying next year -- because it's a commitment I made to the nation, not to a president. But we all know that Iraq was a big mistake."



The decisions of the U.S. government affect Navas more than most Americans, he said.



"What happens politically in America affects us immediately," he said. "As soon as the surge was ordered, my tour was extended, just by a pronouncement from the president. For very few Americans can the president say something and your lives are changed."

Contributions from All Military Personnel Recipient Total Number
Obama, Barack $335,536 859
McCain, John $280,513 558
Paul, Ron $232,411 537
Clinton, Hillary $167,050 376
Republican National Cmte $135,902 219
Huckabee, Mike $66,751 127
Thompson, Fred $46,400 93
Romney, Mitt $43,307 96
Giuliani, Rudolph W $22,050 47
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $21,885 26
DNC Services Corp $16,873 53
Based on contributions made during the 2008 election cycle through June 31, 2008.

Why are these turncoats supporting that Black Muslim radical who wants to destroy America so badly?
 
Thought the Iraqi WMDs were of the old style? Think again.

3 words: Dune 2 Deviators.
 
Donations aside, most people in the military support McCain.
 
then why arent they willing to help get him elected beyond their vote? lazy republicans?

They think McCain does not need it or they do not have the money.
 
They think McCain does not need it or they do not have the money.

:lol: How to the Obama supporters have the money then?

and if they don't think McCain needs it then someone isn't doing their job in McCains campaign.
 
:lol: How to the Obama supporters have the money then?

and if they don't think McCain needs it then someone isn't doing their job in McCains campaign.

Why would Obama supporters have less money? Even people with the same jobs will have different amounts of money.

McCain is close to Obama where it counts, and the Republicans always gain much steam in the Fall.
 
You're really reaching here Zarn.

Obama + Ron Paul's money > > > > McCain's money...maybe, *just maybe*, this means that staying in Iraq for 100 years just isn't that popular with the boots on the ground?
 
What do you expect? They're young people, and not all of them are combat troops.
 
Again, military memebers overwhelmingly support Republicans over Democrats, they simply had more Republicans worthy of support. The others have dropped out, but you can't redonate your money after the fact.

Obama + Ron Paul's money > > > > McCain's money...maybe, *just maybe*, this means that staying in Iraq for 100 years just isn't that popular with the boots on the ground?

Was this post serious?
 
And as we all know, young people know nothing. Hell, they shouldn't even be able to vote.

Again, military memebers overwhelmingly support Republicans over Democrats, they simply had more Republicans worthy of support. The others have dropped out, but you can't redonate your money after the fact.

The point isn't just that they donated more to Obama than McCain, it's that they donated less to McCain than even to Ron Paul, whose stance on the war is close to Obama's, and nowhere near McCain's.

Was this post serious?

Was this one?
 
Again, military memebers overwhelmingly support Republicans over Democrats, they simply had more Republicans worthy of support. The others have dropped out, but you can't redonate your money after the fact.
What does the math look like when you remove the donations to the anti-war Republican
 
Total money to Democrats: 518K

Total money to Republicans: 845K

What does the math look like when you remove the donations to the anti-war Republican

Total money to Democrats: 518K

Total money to Republicans: 613K

Sorry Jolly :(
 
Contrary to Zarn's mistaken opinion, Republican candidates for president do not always gain steam in the fall.

Bob Dole, George HW Bush, would beg to disagree

He is confusing the later post-convention bump that Repubs get, simply because they have their convention after the Dems has theirs (and get their post convention bump)
 
funny how the die-hard GOP-mouthers here are in denial.

Today, I had a chat with a noncom who told me that 'we all think McCain used to be a hell of a great guy to serve with, if what's told is true, but he's now old and turnin' into a second you-know-who' (his words, mind, not mine. And I think the HP allusion was intentional).

So what does that tell us?
It tells us that the Marine guards detail at a US installation in Germany is clearly NOT happy with the state of McCain, seeing him as aged, if not infirm due to old age. And that will make them Obama supporters, not by choice or because of admiration, but because of the feeling that he is the lesser of two weevils, if you know your master and commander.
 
My comments copied over from the other thread....

I am not so surprised, but will simply add that you can dress up such information to mean anything you want.

And while the vast majority of military members do indeed vote republican (and I am willing to bet they will again this year), thats not so clear cut among the demograph of military members with money....i.e. the officer corps.

From my personal experience, a much larger slice of the officer corps are democrat or tend to view political issues from the left side of the aisle. Bear in mind these are also the people in the military who actually make enough money and would be willing to donate. Very few enlisted would actually go to the trouble to donate 200 bucks to a political campaign. Hell, I consider myself fairly political and I have never donated over 25 bucks to any campaign, and I make decent money as a senior NCO with well over 20 years in.

If people are expecting the military to vote for Obama along 60-40 lines, they are going to be seriously disappointed. :lol:
 
There is no expectation of how people will vote, only the explicit contradiction between facts and the rhetoric that mccain spouts in regards to being the voice of our troops.
 
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