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It is my opinion that you are peddling a revisionist recent history of the Democratic and Republican parties and you are blaming Democrat voters for the failures of the Democratic Party machine.So miss me with "browbeating" and "negative consequences"... please describe to me specifically, what you want me to say or not say, so I can address that directly. @Farm Boy gets accused of being vague and enigmatic about the kind of criticism you're giving me here. What I'm offering, is to be very clear and direct with you in my responses but you have to actually take a position, rather than doing what you and other folks constantly accuse Farm Boy of... ie being vague and indirect.
Conventional wisdom was that overturning Roe was impossible. However, Republican voters didn't say... "Oh well they didn't get it done so I'm abandoning them." Republican voters kept voting Republican in the hopes that eventually, they would accomplish their goal. They stuck with it... for the long haul... decades and decades, again based solely on the promises and hopes that eventually, they would deliver, on the longshot, impossible promise, sometime in the future. That's what Democratic voters don't seem to be able to do, just based on the anecdotal comments on these threads.
This is just not true. When the Republicans ran Republican Bidens (they did it twice, both with McCain and Romney) and both of them failed to resonate with Republicans and voters in general. Republicans DID lose heart and #abandon the party until someone who they actually thought would deliver them what they wanted, Trump, arrived.Right, that was O'Donnell's point. Democratic politicians can't do what Republican politicians do... ie., set a seemingly impossible goal like say overturning Roe (or full acceptance of LGBTQ rights) and depend on their voters to keep voting for them, for decades, waiting patiently for the impossible to gradually be made possible. That's just not how the Democrats' voters are currently built. Democrats' voters don't get what they want, lose heart and #abandon... meanwhile the Republican voters stay committed to the long game... and slow and steady wins the race.
People also commonly forget that Obama ran on a platform of Hope and Change. What he did in office was a sharp betrayal of what he promised voters, but Obama's success was a clear indication that Americans (Republican, Democrat and otherwise) did want change. Trump also ran on a campaign of change (admittedly a horrific vision of change). Trump, unlike Biden, delivered. Roe v. Wade is dead and a bunch of other progressive rulings are on the chopping block. LGBT rights are down the toilet. That might be more the work of state governments but Trump will claim those things as his wins.
Compare and contrast Biden, who has done nothing. You could argue that he is constrained by Congress/SCOTUS/what have you but Trump in the same situation would have rattled the cage. He would have made it look like he was doing something, even if the so-called Deep State was hindering him at every turn. Meanwhile Biden is finding it hard to convince people that he even cares about the issues that most Democrats believe in, let alone is well enough to run the country.
Biden has not even tried to hide his disdain for ideas that most Democrats, hell most Americans, believe in. When Roe v. Wade was being overturned he kept blurting out that he was pro-life. Whenever a Red State overturns LGBT laws he does the government equivalent of posting "Concerning" on twitter. He's unabashedly pro-Israel, even when there is a genocide ongoing that is deeply unpopular with the American public.
I genuinely don't think Biden would have won if it weren't for Covid.
If the Democrats are to survive then they need a firebrand on the level of Trump and Obama that actually seems to want to implement the policies Americans and Democrats care about. One that, even if stopped, made it looked like they even tried. The Democrats don't have many people who meet this standard and I'm not sure that the DNC would let them win even if they did.
TL;DR the Democrat Party is in a hell of its own making and its all their fault.