Mailbox's Economic Mod

Mailbox · Aug 26, 2008

FFH2 vanilla is focused heavily on warfare and the economic side is not quite as vital, although important. I wish to add a layer of interesting options to supplement the main game.

Download here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10512

NOTE: Create a new FFH2 folder in order to play this mod, and unzip the Assets folder there.
Mod Version is located with the file to prevent confusion.
Special Thanks to:

The FFH team (Duh

)
Vehem for Fall Further
Xienwolf (Worker Mod, lots of help)
Sureshot (Inspired me to make MIMM in the first place)
Apepis, Ahwaric, MaxAstro for Wonder ideas

Mailbox · Aug 26, 2008

MEM Changes (Alpha):

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From MIMM

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From Xienwolf's Worker Mod

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Mailbox · Aug 26, 2008

Future Features:

Code:

Military-

- Units can train in cities in order to gain promotions (Tactics Line)
	- Training Center (National Wonder)
	- Tactics
		- + 15% per rank up to 5 (75% total)
		- 10 turns to train 1, 15 for 2, 20 for 3, 25 for 4, 30 for 5 (100 turns total)
- Workers can train promotions for combat annoyingness (Partisan Line)
	- At Cities/Forts only
	- Partisan 1-5
		- 5 turns to train 1, 10 for 2, 15 for 3, 20 for 4, 25 for 5 (100 turns total)
		- + 1 off. str. + 1 First strike chance,  + 5% city defense, - 30% city attack, 10% inside borders
		- + 1 strength, + 2 First strike chances, + 10% city defense, - 25% city attack, 15% inside borders
		- + 1 strength, + 1 First strike,         + 15% city defense, - 20% city attack, 20% inside borders, double forest movement
		- + 1 off. str. + 2 First strikes,        + 20% city defense, - 15% city attack, 25% inside borders, double hills movement
		- + 1 strength, + 50% withdrawal,         + 25% city defense, - 10% city attack, 30% inside borders
- Mobilization Civic Options (Each one has significant revolt times)
	- Unmobilized Army
		- +15% food
		- +15% production
		- -25% military production
		- +10% to building production 
		- +25% to worker speed
		- +200% military upkeep
		- +50% WW
	- Partial Mobilization
		- +0% food
		- +0% production
		- -15% military production
		- +10% to building production 
		- +25% to worker speed
		- +100% military upkeep
		- +25% WW
	- Full Mobilization
		- -5% food
		- -5% production
		- +0% military production
		- +0% to building production 
		- +0% to worker speed
		- +0% military upkeep
		- +0% WW
	- Standing Army
		- -15% food
		- -10% production
		- +15% military production
		- -15% to building production 
		- -15% to worker speed
		- -50% military upkeep
		- -25% WW
		- + 2 XP
	- Professional Army
		- -25% food
		- -20% production
		- +25% military production
		- +10% to building production 
		- +25% to worker speed
		- -100% military upkeep
		- -50% WW
		- + 4 XP
- "Badboy"
	- will make war harder to wage
	- Python
	- Effects civilization relationships
	- huge hits for wiping a country out
	- cities are done as a percentage of total number owned
- Revolts
	- Requires Python + .dll
	- Will merge Revolution into this mod


Economics

- Guilds
- Specific Improvements for sites
- More technology
- Enlongate the Latter period of the game
- Immigration/Emigration based on happiness in cities

[to_xp]Gekko · Aug 26, 2008

looks promising, looking forward to playing it

Mailbox · Aug 26, 2008

I should have the first version out tonight, barring more errors when trying to reinstall the game.

I wanted to post this to see if anyone had any ideas they'd like to see in this mod, I'm still in the planning stage for the rest and I'd like to hear what the community thinks.

Tarquelne · Aug 26, 2008

Mailbox said:
I wanted to post this to see if anyone had any ideas they'd like to see in this mod, I'm still in the planning stage for the rest and I'd like to hear what the community thinks.

Just noticed this thread... I'm thinking by "Revolts and Revolutions" you might mean something like jdog5000's "Revolutions" mod. That would be so amazing, enjoyable, fabulous, magnificent, and marvelous* that I'm having trouble thinking about it any further.

*Not an exhaustive list.

Caradoc · Aug 26, 2008

Maybe consider the possibility of including debt into the economics of the game. Not only would this affect maintenance costs, it would also influence city income and the inflation rate.

Also, I would very much welcome an alternative to City States as a way to deal with maintenance costs for a large empire. Maybe something out of the underutilized Compassion civic.

[to_xp]Gekko · Aug 26, 2008

yeah, something like revolution for FFH2 would be quite cool indeed

Mailbox · Aug 26, 2008

Tarquelne said:
Just noticed this thread... I'm thinking by "Revolts and Revolutions" you might mean something like jdog5000's "Revolutions" mod. That would be so amazing, enjoyable, fabulous, magnificent, and marvelous* that I'm having trouble thinking about it any further.

*Not an exhaustive list.

Honestly, merging that mod with FFH2 is the main reason I started modding in the first place and it's the ultimate goal of this mod.

[to_xp]Gekko · Aug 26, 2008

that's good to know. FFH2 is gonna get even better

Mailbox · Aug 26, 2008

Version v.01 released

Includes MIMM and Worker Mod

I'll compile a better changelog tomorrow

woodelf · Aug 27, 2008

Looks promising.

Mailbox · Aug 27, 2008

I added some more future features and I'm also posting to let anyone out there playing that I've fixed the Lanun Pirate Coves. Next release should be tonight and include:

Code:

- Units can train in cities in order to gain promotions (Tactics Line)
	- Training Center (National Wonder)
	- Tactics
		- + 15% per rank up to 5 (75% total)
		- 10 turns to train 1, 15 for 2, 20 for 3, 25 for 4, 30 for 5 (100 turns total)
- Workers can train promotions for combat annoyingness (Partisan Line)
	- At Cities/Forts only
	- Partisan 1-5
		- 5 turns to train 1, 10 for 2, 15 for 3, 20 for 4, 25 for 5 (100 turns total)
		- + 1 off. str. + 1 First strike chance,  + 5% city defense, - 30% city attack, 10% inside borders
		- + 1 strength, + 2 First strike chances, + 10% city defense, - 25% city attack, 15% inside borders
		- + 1 strength, + 1 First strike,         + 15% city defense, - 20% city attack, 20% inside borders, double forest movement
		- + 1 off. str. + 2 First strikes,        + 20% city defense, - 15% city attack, 25% inside borders, double hills movement
		- + 1 strength, + 50% withdrawal,         + 25% city defense, - 10% city attack, 30% inside borders
- Mobilization Civic Options (Each one has significant revolt times)
	- Unmobilized Army
		- +15% food
		- +15% production
		- -25% military production
		- +10% to building production 
		- +25% to worker speed
		- +200% military upkeep
		- +50% WW
	- Partial Mobilization
		- +5% food
		- +5% production
		- -15% military production
		- +10% to building production 
		- +15% to worker speed
		- +100% military upkeep
		- +25% WW
	- Full Mobilization
		- +0% food
		- +0% production
		- +0% military production
		- +0% to building production 
		- +10% to worker speed
		- +0% military upkeep
		- +0% WW
	- Standing Army
		- -15% food
		- -10% production
		- +15% military production
		- -15% to building production 
		- -15% to worker speed
		- -50% military upkeep
		- -25% WW
		- + 2 XP
	- Professional Army
		- -25% food
		- -20% production
		- +35% military production
		- +10% to building production 
		- +25% to worker speed
		- -75% military upkeep
		- -50% WW
		- + 4 XP

Deon · Aug 28, 2008

Can you describe contents of the MIMM mod please? I'd like to try it but I don't want to start a game without knowing the current changes.

Skitters · Aug 28, 2008

- Mobilization Civic Options (Each one has significant revolt times)

I quite like this idea, but I'd have thought this would be better as just

-Unmobilised
-Partially Mobilised
-Mobilised

with perhaps the proviso that to go from Unmobilised to Mobilised (or vice versa) would take three times as long as from Partially mobilised, but that all the benefits would be in either as Unmobilised or Mobolised.

I'd also suggest that for Unmobilised and Partially Mobilised, units outside of culture borders would have a negative modifier when attacking another unit (except perhaps Barbs?)

Mobilisation level could also perhaps adjust the maintenance cost so that perhaps
Unmobolised - for every unit in the field, and every unit bar the first two in the city = +1 gold
Partially Mobolised - for every unit in the field, and every unit bar the first four in a city = +1 gold

A Professional Army implies, to me at least, a small voluntary army as opposed to a conscripted army and as such falls outside of whether an army is mobilised.

Similarly a standing army implies to me the units that are on active service at any one point, excluding reserves. Therefore with even being unmobilsed you'd have a standing army.

[to_xp]Gekko · Aug 28, 2008

Deon said:
Can you describe contents of the MIMM mod please? I'd like to try it but I don't want to start a game without knowing the current changes.

this is the thread : http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=267641

Mailbox · Aug 28, 2008

Sorry for not releasing a new version last night, I had a couple weird bugs I had to sort out but they're gone now and I actually uploaded a new version without posting. :mischief:

Deon said:
Can you describe contents of the MIMM mod please? I'd like to try it but I don't want to start a game without knowing the current changes.

Yeah, it's all the improvement changes from here:

Spoiler :

I'm binding it all together to make a complete changelog.

Skitters said:
- Mobilization Civic Options (Each one has significant revolt times)

I quite like this idea, but I'd have thought this would be better as just

-Unmobilised
-Partially Mobilised
-Mobilised

with perhaps the proviso that to go from Unmobilised to Mobilised (or vice versa) would take three times as long as from Partially mobilised, but that all the benefits would be in either as Unmobilised or Mobolised.

I'd also suggest that for Unmobilised and Partially Mobilised, units outside of culture borders would have a negative modifier when attacking another unit (except perhaps Barbs?)

Mobilisation level could also perhaps adjust the maintenance cost so that perhaps
Unmobolised - for every unit in the field, and every unit bar the first two in the city = +1 gold
Partially Mobolised - for every unit in the field, and every unit bar the first four in a city = +1 gold

A Professional Army implies, to me at least, a small voluntary army as opposed to a conscripted army and as such falls outside of whether an army is mobilised.

Similarly a standing army implies to me the units that are on active service at any one point, excluding reserves. Therefore with even being unmobilsed you'd have a standing army.

The professional and standing army options are lumped in with the other two because I didn't want to add two new civic categories. Although now I realized that if I break them up I can add two new categories:

Mobilization:

-Unmobilized
-Partial Mobilization
-Full Mobilization

Army Status (Better name?):

- Conscripted Army
- Standing Army
- Professional Army

Tarquelne · Aug 28, 2008

With mobilization you seem to be talking more about how mobilized the civ's "military/industrial complex" is, not the army. But I think you could have the concept really apply to the army, the units.

An autoaquire promotion based on the civic could reduce combat strength (maybe mostly on attack?). I think if you make it "must maintain" but give it an expiration chance it'll start dropping from units as soon as the "mobilization" civic is changed, but won't leave all units all at once and will linger awhile. So it can take some time to bring the army up to the higher level of mobilization. (It'd depend on the expiration %.)

Combine that with a military support reduction and another civic category covering professionalism (or just use already existic civics like Apprenticeship and Military State) and you can get a fairly realistic reflection of a civ's military state of readiness. An army could be mobilized and highly-trained (effective but expensive) to unmobilized and poorly-trained (inefective, but cheap.)

You could even have 3 new civic categories:
1) Army mobilization
2) Army professionalism*
3) The civ's industrial "mobilization".

*You could use autoacquired promotions for this, too, if you want to have it cover not just unit creation but on-going drilling.

Mailbox · Aug 28, 2008

Tarquelne said:
With mobilization you seem to be talking more about how mobilized the civ's "military/industrial complex" is, not the army. But I think you could have the concept really apply to the army, the units.

Yeah, I'm referring to it from an economic standpoint for now (this is an economy mod after all

).

An autoaquire promotion based on the civic could reduce combat strength (maybe mostly on attack?). I think if you make it "must maintain" but give it an expiration chance it'll start dropping from units as soon as the "mobilization" civic is changed, but won't leave all units all at once and will linger awhile. So it can take some time to bring the army up to the higher level of mobilization. (It'd depend on the expiration %.)

I'm guessing I would need python for this? I really like the idea of mobilization levels effecting the units directly. I'd also like to force a linear progression so that the player can't jump between the highest and the lowest levels.

Combine that with a military support reduction and another civic category covering professionalism (or just use already existic civics like Apprenticeship and Military State) and you can get a fairly realistic reflection of a civ's military state of readiness.

I'd rather leave those civics as a reflection of the overall cultural values.

An army could be mobilized and highly-trained (effective but expensive) to unmobilized and poorly-trained (inefective, but cheap.)

This is the ultimate goal, having good troops should require effort.

You could even have 3 new civic categories:
1) Army mobilization
2) Army professionalism*
3) The civ's industrial "mobilization".

I'd rather tie the industrial and army mobilization together as it's simplier and usually civilizations mobilize at a rougher similar rate for industry and army.

*You could use autoacquired promotions for this, too, if you want to have it cover not just unit creation but on-going drilling.

I'd probably use the training center/military academy to represent drilling, so that units could be raised elsewhere and then sent to that site to train.

xienwolf · Aug 28, 2008

Damnit, you made me have to review my own code

Using MustMaintain would mean as soon as you ditch the civic you will lose the promotion on all units. Using ExpireChance would mean there is a chance per turn to lose the promotion. The thing I had to look up was the order that these happen in

AutoAcquire does happen after ExpireChance, so if you set an AutoAcquire promotion with an Expiration chance, then the promotion will remain on the unit as long as the conditions are met (no chance of losing the promo), but once conditions are NOT met, they will maintain the promotion for the rest of that turn (minimum), then have a chance at the start of each turn to lose the promotion if conditions aren't met.

This of course makes autoacquire even better

Having moved AutoAcquire and MustMaintain to be checked onMove caused us to lose the chance of having a nice "you are in a city" bonus which can still be used to protect the nearby improvements (keep the bonus when you move out of the city, but just for that one turn). I hadn't even thought about using ExpireChance=100 instead of MustMaintain. Doing that would perfectly allow you to keep a promotion for a little while after you stop meeting the conditions required.

And in cases like this where you are dealing with a Civic it is quite a bit cooler as you can place a 5% chance so that SOME of your units will keep the promotion long enough to switch back to the civic without them losing it (if you had to temporarily switch for some odd reason).

And for Mailbox: AutoAcquire is a new field setup I added to promotions which FF offers. It is proving quite versatile thus far

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