Dual Deity Challenge

Unconquered Sun · Feb 2, 2009

No, this is not a dual map challenge.

It's two deity games on standard size 60% water Tectonics v 7 AIs, epic speed.

Our leader/civ is random.

The challenge is open to everyone.

We'll compare the games at checkpoints: 1000 BC, 1 AD, 1000 AD, 1500 AD, and every 100 years after 1500 AD.

Considering the number of random factors, we'll be facing two very different setups. Perhaps the challenge will give insight into the inner workings of deity level strategy and tactics. Then again, perhaps not, but it'll be fun play nonetheless.

Unconquered Sun · Feb 2, 2009

Our first start:

Unconquered Sun · Feb 2, 2009

Our second start:

Unconquered Sun · Feb 2, 2009

So, any thoughts about the starting positions?

EDIT: Link to Normal speed variants of the saves (thanks to Bleys)

futurehermit · Feb 2, 2009

Top one looks like a very nice bureaucracy capital with good food and forests for early production (creative...rexing?). Bottom one is a production-heavy capital with some good commerce as well from gems and lake/clams (financial). Bottom one with elephants would be good for post-construction warfare, but I don't know how that goes on deity.

shyuhe · Feb 2, 2009

Are we supposed to play both maps in parallel? That may be an interesting exercise for comparing deity games.

Unconquered Sun · Feb 2, 2009

shyuhe said:
Are we supposed to play both maps in parallel? That may be an interesting exercise for comparing deity games.

Exactly.

Spoiler :

Gosha190 · Feb 2, 2009

deity is too hard to me

is any kind of victory acceptable?

Unconquered Sun · Feb 2, 2009

Gosha190 said:
deity is too hard to me

is any kind of victory acceptable?

Sure, while it's called challenge it's more about learning and fun than competition.

Shrimp_toast · Feb 2, 2009

Deity is too hard for me aswell, but its a nice idea and will be interesting to see how these play out

Unconquered Sun · Feb 2, 2009

Shrimp_toast said:
Deity is too hard for me aswell, but its a nice idea and will be interesting to see how these play out

Well, I hope we win at least one of the games, they are 100% randomly generated and I have no idea if the maps are winnable at all.

Rusten · Feb 2, 2009

My thoughts are that these starts seem very versatile. There's no way knowing where they will go yet.

The Maya start is very suited for pre-industrial warfare though (ivory). It has the necessary commerce to fuel a run for elephants/cats in time, the production to make them and epic speed to use them (although this works on normal too). It also has a lot of happiness making monarchy not so urgent.

If early war is not favourable for whatever reason elephants can be utilised for quick cuirassiers instead (upgrade). I think I counted 26-ish production with hills, so Mutal can produce a lot of mounted units with bureaucracy.

oyzar · Feb 2, 2009

With 2 happiness resources and ball court you can easily get construction before monarchy...

PieceOfMind · Feb 2, 2009

I might try this one, even though I'm not a deity player...

The Gilgamesh one first, for me...

Let's see how long I last.

Lexad · Feb 2, 2009

Sun Tzu Wu has recently won a HoF Major with Sumeria Domination in 2000BC

So is it Pangea-type map? Cuz then Domi/Conquest is the most viable 1st option, especially with so much food to slave and wood to chop.

Btw, thanx for inviting. Not sure I'll find time, as there is also a Deity Cultural Major at HoF right now.

What are the rules, btw? Non-reload, no restarting, single attempt?

jesusin · Feb 2, 2009

Thanks for the PM.
I'm far too busy these days, but I'd like to try going for culture with the second save sometime...

oyzar · Feb 2, 2009

Lexad said:
Sun Tzu Wu has recently won a HoF Major with Sumeria Domination in 2000BC So is it Pangea-type map? Cuz then Domi/Conquest is the most viable 1st option, especially with so much food to slave and wood to chop.

Btw, thanx for inviting. Not sure I'll find time, as there is also a Deity Cultural Major at HoF right now.

What are the rules, btw? Non-reload, no restarting, single attempt?

That was marathon though... I don't think this is

. Nor is there double gems to feed your insane expansion... Also barbarians are on so worker stealing is a lot harder...

Unconquered Sun · Feb 2, 2009

Lexad said:
Sun Tzu Wu has recently won a HoF Major with Sumeria Domination in 2000BC So is it Pangea-type map? Cuz then Domi/Conquest is the most viable 1st option, especially with so much food to slave and wood to chop.

Btw, thanx for inviting. Not sure I'll find time, as there is also a Deity Cultural Major at HoF right now.

What are the rules, btw? Non-reload, no restarting, single attempt?

Rules are relaxed. Obviously abusing reload is not OK, but reloading to an earlier point to explore branching stategies is OK.

Unconquered Sun · Feb 2, 2009

Rusten said:
My thoughts are that these starts seem very versatile. There's no way knowing where they will go yet.

The Maya start is very suited for pre-industrial warfare though (ivory). It has the necessary commerce to fuel a run for elephants/cats in time, the production to make them and epic speed to use them (although this works on normal too). It also has a lot of happiness making monarchy not so urgent.

If early war is not favourable for whatever reason elephants can be utilised for quick cuirassiers instead (upgrade). I think I counted 26-ish production with hills, so Mutal can produce a lot of mounted units with bureaucracy.

I also feel the starts are very versatile. The Maya are certainly suited for Construction warfare.

The Sumerians capital will be good for both cottaging or specialists, however happy cap management will be key for success.

oyzar · Feb 2, 2009

Opening micro in the maya start is interesting... Settle in place or on the sugar?

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