ModCast 29: "Penal Colony"

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With no guest co-hosts and short one regular guest co-host, the insanity is more unpredictable than usual. The twenty-ninth episode of PolyCast, an official podcast of Apolyton Civilization Site (ACS), is now netcasting. Entitled "Penal Colony", it features core panelists Tony "GarretSidzaka" Kiehl, Kenneth "Impaler[WrG]" Ferland and John "bt_oz" Archer.

- 01m07s | Code Corner
On Orion's Inquisition Mod ver 2.00E by OrionVeteran with backstory, and Tsentom1 Python Wonders by tsentom1.
- 25m38s | Modding Spotlight
For the Civilization IV stand-alone expansion pack Colonization, Australian Colonization v. 0.25.

An official podcast of Apolyton Civilization Site, ModCast is an ongoing effort to give the Civ community an interactive voice on Civilization modding; sibling show PolyCast focuses on Civ strategy and RevCast focuses on Civilization: Revolution. To date, ACS is the only community on the web to produce its own Civilization podcasts.

...i'll force me to find some time to hear it (after #28, which is still on my pc), and to stay closer at the current version of modcast.
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With all the previous guests who you have shanghai'd into saying they'll fill in at the last minute if needed, you couldn't find anyone? bah

i know bleh. remember these episodes are recorded two weeks in advance. i made the open call for guests after this episode.

hint: episode #30 has a guest and #31 might have a guest

I kinda figured it may have been the spur

Another great episode.

Just some comments on the Australia Mod spotlight:

1. All the vanilla Civs cover early post-independance leaders, so what's the problem with early Aussie post-independance leaders? Plus, Phillip didn't really do "that" much. There's heaps more better leaders than Phillip.
2. Murri are an Aboriginal tribe in Queensland, not New Zealander.
3. Dutch and German? Come on please. They didn't seriously attempt colonisation of the GSL. BTW, I saw the link you posted at Apolyton, and really, come on. Information not backed by findings or sources which would get deleted from Wikipedia do not an argument make. And claiming that some shipwreck survivors prove colonisation by the Dutch occured? Sorry, but that's crazy talk. Hey, why not complain about the Vikings and Portuguese not being in vanilla then?
4. I hope you weren't serious about opals over gold? Why not diamonds over gold? We export more diamonds than opals. Why not sheep as our currency? Or even camel (since we have the largest count of camels in the World). But then again, gold isn't that important, it only contributed directly to the solidification of Melbourne as the World's greatest Victorian style city between 1850 and 1870.
5. You guys should really actually research what you're talking about before slamming a mod. Saying he should research Wikipedia and get things right? Read the pedia and you would see you're wrong on a number of things!
6. Speaking of "research Wikipedia to get things right" John, I recommend you do too. Queen of England as our sovereign? Fail of you Australian History class and your VCE! Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth. For your reference, all the individual titles of Elizabeth Windsor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_Queen_Elizabeth_II
7. If you come down to Melbourne, I'll meet you too and go head to head with you.

damn dale you have the most pimp australian historical knowledge


can i shanghai you onto the show sometime soon?

Just a slight clarification on point 1. I looked it up and found the French and Dutch leaders were actually leaders during colonial times, although it is no coincidence that they are also less famous than their Spanish and English counterparts. I think the developers were merely working within the limitations of the nations, because there were far fewer French and Dutch colonies to declare independence, rather than be taken over by other colonial powers.

GarretSidzaka said:

can i shanghai you onto the show sometime soon?

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I would, but ahhhh.... considering recent occurances at Poly I don't think it would be appropriate.

Dale said:

I would, but ahhhh.... considering recent occurances at Poly I don't think it would be appropriate.

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what does this mean? i havent heard anything yet

PM me plz

Dale said:

6. Speaking of "research Wikipedia to get things right" John, I recommend you do too. Queen of England as our sovereign? Fail of you Australian History class and your VCE! Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth. For your reference, all the individual titles of Elizabeth Windsor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_Queen_Elizabeth_II

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The fact that she is also Queen of Australia does not mean that she isn't Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and whatever else. Those who say "But she's not a foreign head of state, she's really the Queen of Australia" have profoundly missed the point of republicanism.

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

I did notice, which nobody else seems to have, Kenneth's point that the Maori only suggested to PiMan and not actually included. If you did get it from there and not a misprounciation of Murri, then uh that was me. Though in that case you did miss the Indonesians which are far less relevant (intentionally) to Australia. My proposed mod (which I'll probably never do, especially with PiMan's running around) was more "what-if" and included a larger area. Just wanted to clear that up.

I do understand what the Republic debate is about, the fact that the Queen of Australia is actually someone from England (not from Australia). Sure the GG is an Aussie (and in all cases recommended by the Aussie Parliament) and exercises executive order (as the Queen prefers to stand aside in that regard) it is still a Westminster tie (which is the Republican's issue).

Simply, it's because the highest Aussie officer is an Englander (regardless of the title).

BTW, did you listen fully to the ModCast? John was saying that Australia's highest title is Queen of England, which is clearly incorrect. It had nothing to do with the Republic debate.

And on Maori, the point was made that Maori is New Zealand in origin, which is true, and shouldn't be in the Mod. Well they aren't, the Murri are in. Something which would've been cleared up with a simple click into the Pedia.

Dale said:

I would, but ahhhh.... considering recent occurances at Poly I don't think it would be appropriate.

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I hope Firaxis releases a new game soon. I think we are all in danger of getting sick of each other.

Dale said:

I do understand what the Republic debate is about, the fact that the Queen of Australia is actually someone from England (not from Australia). Sure the GG is an Aussie (and in all cases recommended by the Aussie Parliament) and exercises executive order (as the Queen prefers to stand aside in that regard) it is still a Westminster tie (which is the Republican's issue).

Simply, it's because the highest Aussie officer is an Englander (regardless of the title).

BTW, did you listen fully to the ModCast? John was saying that Australia's highest title is Queen of England, which is clearly incorrect. It had nothing to do with the Republic debate.

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I did listen to it fully, enough to hear that he didn't say "Australia's highest title", he said "Australia's head of state". And it is true that the person who happens to be Australia's head of state is also the person who happens to be Queen of England. I realise it had nothing to do with the republic debate, but reading your comment while knowing he was talking about the head of state, you'll understand how I misunderstood your intent.

Dale said:

And on Maori, the point was made that Maori is New Zealand in origin, which is true, and shouldn't be in the Mod. Well they aren't, the Murri are in. Something which would've been cleared up with a simple click into the Pedia.

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I don't know where they got the idea that the Maori were in it. Perhaps they misread Murri, but Kenneth suggests later that they might have read that in a suggestion, and if they did they surely read it from mine. I don't know. I get the feeling that Tony was reading everything initially, but lacks the background in Australian history to properly understand it, and everyone else was discussing the mod based on what Tony had said.

Dryhad said:

I don't know where they got the idea that the Maori were in it. Perhaps they misread Murri, but Kenneth suggests later that they might have read that in a suggestion, and if they did they surely read it from mine. I don't know. I get the feeling that Tony was reading everything initially, but lacks the background in Australian history to properly understand it, and everyone else was discussing the mod based on what Tony had said.

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And had they read just a little further on, they would have realised I said I wasn't going to do this. This is why I had assumed they were misreading Murri, rather than making completely false claims.

Same here. As an "Australian" mod I figured the intent was for the mod to be about the colonisation of Australia, not the colonisation of the Pacific. Which of course makes the Maoris outside the scope. That's how I figured it was Murri.

"Highest title" / "Head of state" I knew it was something like that. Apologies for not getting the right words, but I knew the context it was used in (I'd already deleted the ModCast and didn't want to download it again).

But all of this still doesn't change the fact that John was pretty harsh on the mod. It's my opinion (and my opinion only) that the ModCast should be promoting mods, not ripping them to pieces. There's enough in the vanilla game to rip apart in the ModCast. Promote the modders who do this for free and the love of the game and don't discourage them. Talk about the positive points, not the negative.

I wasn't under that impression at all. But as a matter of fact, I wholeheartedly disagree with you Dale, Modcast should be honest, and review the mods truethfully. If there is an issue with the mod, they should state it, and give an honest oppinion of it. I really wouldn't see the point of modcast if they sugar coated everything, and ignored glaring issues.

But in the case of my mod, they ripped it to pieces for issues that don't exist or were easily explained. many people who listen to ModCast won't look at my mod now because they made it sound like I hadn't done the research. Even though I've spent about as much time researching as I have spent in the mod files.

PiMan said:

But in the case of my mod, they ripped it to pieces for issues that don't exist or were easily explained. many people who listen to ModCast won't look at my mod now because they made it sound like I hadn't done the research. Even though I've spent about as much time researching as I have spent in the mod files.

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I'm sorry that my co hosts "ripped your mod apart." I don't know much about australia, other than what dale has told me in the past, so i didn't have much input into it.

I don't think modcast will limit your hits on your mod, as many do not listen to it, and for those that do, i think that the initial exposure will get more clicks your way.

It is not ModCast's intentions to defame anyone, and our perverse opinions are our own and do not represent Apolyton.net.

I hope you feel better soon and I'm sorry that we troubled you