Why is Poland so religious and Czechia so unreligious?

RedRalph

Deity
Joined
Jun 12, 2007
Messages
20,708
Two bordering countries, both west Slavic, both have very similar histories in the last 100-odd years (both been part of empires, left, got eaten by Hitler and saved by the reds - not up for discussion in this thread), both kicked the reds out in 89, both joined the EU etc

So why is it that Poland is so incredibly religious and Czechia is the opposite?
 
You could say the same thing about Ireland and the UK to an extent dude.

England, Scotland, Wales - most people don't give a damn about religion.

Northern Ireland - Protestant vs Catholic.

Ireland = Big religious inlfluence on politics.
 
You could say the same thing about Ireland and the UK to an extent dude.

England, Scotland, Wales - most people don't give a damn about religion.

Northern Ireland - Protestant vs Catholic.

Ireland = Big religious inlfluence on politics.

The UK and Ireland have plenty in common but very little similar experience. Ireland has been a poor, subjugated rural theocracy for the last 100 years - the UK has been a rich, dominating secular industrialised superpower
 
If I were a betting man the Polish experience goes all the way back to Imperial Russia where Polish Catholicism an important, if not the most important, aspect of an independent Polish identity. It continued on through the Soviet Union.
 
Maybe ask Winner? He knows a lot about eastern europe :D
 
If I were a betting man the Polish experience goes all the way back to Imperial Russia where Polish Catholicism an important, if not the most important, aspect of an independent Polish identity. It continued on through the Soviet Union.


Yeah, undoubtedly, this was the first thing that jumped to my mind. The Czechs were in a catholic empire themselves and were probably relatively well treated in it... but can that be all of it? I mean Estonia was in the Russian empire for a long time and it's even less religious than Czechia
 
Was it the major means of differentiating them from the Russians though? I'm also inclined to believe that they didn't have quite as traumatic a history as the Poles. They were also relatively favored by the Imperial Government compared to poor little Poland.
 
The UK and Ireland have plenty in common but very little similar experience. Ireland has been a poor, subjugated rural theocracy for the last 100 years - the UK has been a rich, dominating secular industrialised superpower
Well yes, and the Czechs have had different experiances from the Poles as well!

Here's another - why is Bavaria so 'conseverative' and religious comapared to say Berlin? Despite being in the same country!
 
Because Berlin is in Brandenburg, Prussia which wasn't in the same country at all.
 
I would say that we were changing religions too many times
paganism-ortodox-catholic-hussite-protestant-catholic-communist
too much blood spilled for something like religion
 
Didn't Winner say something about their non-religiousness being a result of the Austrians occupying their country and imposing their religion on them or using it to control them?

Damn, when is Winner when you need him.
 
It's called "eastern Europe syndrome". And it's "Czech Republic" too.
 
Did I ever tell you? My maid's brother-in-law's dog was from Czechistan.
 
As said, Poland was divided primarily by Germany and Russia (with Krakow going to Austria). Both disliked Polish Catholicism, and it became a symbol of national freedom (something similar happened to Ireland as well). Czechia didn't have the same religious situation.

And yeah, Imperial Russia's history with the Baltics (Latvia and Estonia, at least) and Finland is softer then with Poland ('till the clumsy attempts at Russification in the beginning of XX century). Maybe it's because the later peoples didn't yet enter the nationalistic stage of development (and never had their own countries 'till the end of Russian Empire.
 
We were extremely religious during the cold war yes, but church attendances are dropping down quite a bit in the last few years. It's not uncommon to see large crowds and lots of people on the street during sunday mass. Younger people especially aren't going anymore.

I wondered the same thing myself, but i think being Catholic was more of a national symbol for Poles everywhere, in occupied German territory, Austrian territory, and Russian territory, it made Poles something different from all those nasty people. Not to mention that it was our way of figuring out if someone was Polish or not. :lol: You in the past could actually just go to Ukraine and ask random people if they are catholic or orthadox and than you know several facts: Catholic's were poles, Orthadox were Ukrainians, Catholics (and poles in general) tended to be upper class citizens while Ukrainians, Belarussians and Lithuanians tended to be lower class, among other things.

As for Czechia, they didn't suffer this divide, and were kinda gobbled up by Austria. As a result Czech's didn't revolt every 10 years against their foreign rule like Poles did, and in the long term, religion ended up not being as strong.

Also, during communist times, anyone who wasn't religious was presumed to be working for the USSR or Communist party in Poland, so even if anyone was atheist in belief than they'd keep it a secret. Basically Catholic = Good, Athiest = evil commy
 
Poland is so religious mainly due to our history - We were always at the front or something or other, which was often religious in nature.

Let me explain. When Poland was born as a nation, we were on the eastern flank of Christianity. To the east we had a whole bunch of pagans. Russia was baptised shortly after Poland, but they took on the Byzantine/Orthodox version of Christianity. Poland became the eastern flank of Catholicism.

When the Mongols took over Russia, and later the Ottomans took over most of the Balkans, the Polish state again found itself at the flanks of Christianity - bordering Islam.

When Protestantism took over much of Europe, Poland remained one of the only Catholic countries in the region.

Our neighbours were often different from us in terms of religion, due to our "being on the flanks" like I explained above - Catholicism thus became an important aspect of our identity.

When Poland was erased from the map in the late 18th century, Poles needed something to hold on to, something to give them hope - religion filled the role perfectly. When the Soviets took over our country after ww2, the Catholic church became a unifying force for all Poles. It was something we all had in common, it gave us hope, and the fact that the Pope was Polish didn't hurt. The fact that this religion is what held us together in the past, in our crazy history, while neighbours-who-practiced-different-religions tried to take us down, had a big part in the mentality of what happened in the 1980s, too.

Anyway, that's my take on it. Czech history is incredibly different from ours - I'm sure Winner or somebody else will explain it in a lot of detail. Personally I am inclined to believe that it has something to do with different religions coming in at different times - and people getting sick of false promises.

I mean, in Poland you have one religion unifying Poles and giving people hope over a thousand years, while in Czechia it was more a case of people coming and saying: "Here, try this religion!", and people eventually getting fed up with it and developing a skeptical view of religion. Correct me if that's not what happened at all, as I have an amateur-level understanding of Czech history at best ;)
 
Top Bottom