Interesting East European Survey results 2009.

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Here is a lot of surveys, to help understand what East Europe is doing now. Major Surveys from Pew. Also did this Major survey in 1991. So compare East Europe in 1991 to 2009
Also is a comparison with the same survey done in 1991, after fall of Soviet Union. So it is interesting trneds you will notice in people's satisfaction of life, satisfaction with almost 20 years of democracy and capitalism. Now Capitalism is generally viewed favorably, but support for Democracy has been slidding, a return to more natural authoritarianism for East Europe?
Nationalism continues to rise despite what they say are the root causes of nationalism, poor economic conditions. The new East European nationalists richer and is more of them.
Hungary is most interesting, since it is most dissatisfied with everything, life, EU, and democracy are all very very low, satisfaction of Life is at 15% :o And Support for Eu is at 20%, a drop from 28%.

The trends reporting such huge drops for support of democracy and capitalism is not so surprising though :rolleyes: Neither is that people are becoming more and more satisfied with life, but less and less with capitalism and democracy.
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Ukrainians have an overwhelmingly positive view of Russians living in their country (84%), but many fewer like Georgians (54%). A significant number of Russians (32%) have an unfavorable view of Ukrainians residing in Russia, but even more give Georgians a negative rating (53%).

Dislike of minority groups is not limited to Eastern Europeans. Roughly a quarter of the French have an unfavorable opinion of North Africans, which is comparable to negative opinions of Muslims in Britain (27%) and Turks in Germany (30%). In the West, Italians hold the most negative views toward minority groups – 69% say they dislike Muslims and 84% have negative views of the Roma. Negative views toward these two groups run high in Spain as well – 46% have an unfavorable opinion of Muslims and 45% say this about Roma.

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:edit: soruce : http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=267
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They are being counter-jaded by badly run capitalism, just like they were jaded after badly run communism that took hold when they got really jaded about badly run totalianarianism.
 
Graph title is misleading.

I'd like to see something similar for the former Yugoslav states as well. Apparently so far only Slovenia and Croatia has recovered to pre-1990 GDP levels.

Notice the wording of the question they asked in the bottom. They are referring to this. Read that.
It is not GDP, it is people's opinion on whether or not they were happier under Comunist Years, or new years.
everyone is nostalgic, young people did not live through the death of the world. And ave nothing to compare against
I am not surprised about this, but at the same time I am. (looking at Poland)

Notice that Lithuania and Russia have both same satisfaction of life currenty, 35%. But Russia increases +22% while Lithuania were happier after Fall of Soviet Union, but are growing happier slower.
 
Graph was referring to the economic situation though.

Sometimes people say they were so rich under Soviet Union, because everyone has so much money! Way too much money, there as just nothing to buy.
I can see why some people will feel their economic situation was better under communism then it is now, since now there is not enough money to buy everything.
Well at least fo the people who voted that situation was better under communism.
 
So eastern Europeans generally think they are worse off now than they were under Communism, but are far more satisfied with life.

How do we make sense of that?
 
Sometimes people say they were so rich under Soviet Union, because everyone has so much money! Way too much money, there as just nothing to buy.

Then what good is it being rich?
 
Interesting charts Tekee. Thanks.

I would be interested how many people represent each demographic group by country. It's apparent to me that the 65+ have had the most difficult time in this transition since they were hitting their peak years when their world was turned upside down.
 
They don't support capitalism, democracy, or freedom, but they are much happier now than they were under communism. Morons.
 
Then what good is it being rich?

Because you were as rich as is possible! You have food, a house and the latest communist electronics and sundries! Everyone can afford this!
So eastern Europeans generally think they are worse off now than they were under Communism, but are far more satisfied with life.

How do we make sense of that?

Consider this paradox, one of the paradoxes that make up the (insert any east europe country here) soul ;)

I would be interested how many people represent each demographic group by country. It's apparent to me that the 65+ have had the most difficult time in this transition since they were hitting their peak years when their world was turned upside down.

here is an age breakdwon of respondents:
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Old people changed their opinions the least, and are still very low. And as predictable, Old People enjoyed Communism more, but hated the fall of Communism the most so are the most unhappiest people. At least for Russians, Poles are more consistent throughout the age groups.
 
Because you were as rich as is possible! You have food, a house and the latest communist electronics and sundries! Everyone can afford this!

This makes no sense, nor does it answer my question.
 
Old people changed their opinions the least, and are still very low. And as predictable, Old People enjoyed Communism more, but hated the fall of Communism the most so are the most unhappiest people. At least for Russians, Poles are more consistent throughout the age groups.
I realize that but I'd be curious to know what the total population is by age. I doubt many 65+ have the energy to create change. What's consistent throughout these graphs is younger people are more content with their situation and they have the opportunity to make change.

It's also interesting to see how they behave when the move 18 years later and again the numbers are consistently better.
 
I realize that but I'd be curious to know what the total population is by age. I doubt many 65+ have the energy to create change. What's consistent throughout these graphs is younger people are more content with their situation and they have the opportunity to make change.

It's also interesting to see how they behave when the move 18 years later and again the numbers are consistently better.

I'm only speculating here, but the average age of someone living in a rural area in Poland is probably much higher than the average age of all the people living in cities: Young people are attracted to vibrant urban centres, move there, etc.

After communism, the hardest hit people were farmers - they were suddenly unable to compete with their counterparts in western europe. If you look at stats of who hated the change the most, people living in rural parts of Poland were at the top of the list -their communities were hit the hardest, while life the cities slightly improved (i think, i'm not sure about this last part).

So maybe that's another reason..
 
Now Capitalism is generally viewed favorably, but support for Democracy has been slidding, a return to more natural authoritarianism for East Europe?

Erm, are we reading the same graphs? Capitalism slid across the board, but Democracy did not. Capitalism has more countries with under 50% approval (2, and 2 more at 50 opposed to one) and Democracy has the highest level of support in a singular country, namely East Germany at 85%.
 
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