Spurious Contraptions & Other Steampunk Oddities

KingArthur · Oct 08, 2007, 04:04 AM

In here goes some off the wall stuff that probably won't make it into the steampunk scenarios. It's all steampunk related of sorts.

Here's my contribution: Steam Punk Star Wars

http://ericpoulton.blogspot.com/sear...%20star%20wars

There will be a Space Race victory in this scenario but will it look like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y39gHihP74

Hopefully, these links will provide some inspiration to unit makers and raise a few smiles.

A Land Ship
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attach...1&d=1139090850

http://www.tin-soldier.com/Steamtk1.htm

Walkers
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/walker.JPG
http://historicalhobbies.com/DOGS/ma...teamSpider.htm

General Links:

(provided by Ozymandias)
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~beattie/steam.html

http://historicalhobbies.com/DOGS/ma...t/Gaslight.htm

(provided by pedrov)

http://www.voidgamers.com/channel/b.320.r.305.html

how about the electric man settler?...
http://www.bigredhair.com/robots/

and some pretty cool airships...
http://home.att.net/~dannysoar2/HarryGrantDart.htm

some of the airships are interesting...
http://www.visualparadox.com/scifi.htm

okay, probably extreme (definitely extreme), but perhaps an inspiration for land-based aircraft carriers...
http://www.dp9.com/Support/landship.htm

definitely worth navigating for whatever interest, the war stuff is pretty nice (like what appears to be a ferris-wheel style war machine... links at the bottom of the main page (e.g., Future War, ...
http://www.davidszondy.com/future/futurepast.htm

NB: this OP is a combination of the OPs from the two former threads.

KingArthur · Oct 08, 2007, 04:33 AM

Reserved for unit Wish List

I'd really like to see a steam powered walker:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~beatt.../16tripod.jpeg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/walker.JPG
http://historicalhobbies.com/DOGS/ma...teamSpider.htm

And a Land Ship. This would appear in between aaglo's Steam Tank and Hikaro's Land Battleship.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attach...1&d=1139090850
http://www.tin-soldier.com/Steamtk1.htm

Plotinus · Oct 08, 2007, 02:01 PM

Love Steam Trek!

KingArthur · Oct 11, 2007, 04:49 AM

Here's some things I just googled and thought would make great units in the game: The powered dirigeable (probably pedal powered

) and a Steampunk Commando, parachuting behind enemy lines from the aforementioned dirigeable.

Stormrage · Oct 11, 2007, 05:50 AM

Hah, Batman!

aaglo · Oct 11, 2007, 06:15 AM

My first thought was: Doom Diver!

I think there are some dirigibles flying around... but I'm not sure.

KingArthur · Oct 11, 2007, 07:04 AM

It does resemble the doom diver now you mention it, although I see this as a steam powered contraption that would jerkily flap the wings a bit for short periods before the fuel supply ran out - maybe good for jumping out a balloon to get a controlled descent.

I've seen some airship units but most are standard zeppelin type craft. There's Hikaro's great powered airships too but they are very advanced and I would put them in a late tech.

There's also the unit with a boat hung beneath a balloon that most resembles the pic (used in WH2, may even be your unit) but I think it's too fantasy looking or at least looks like "middle-ages" steampunk.

Plotinus · Oct 12, 2007, 02:52 AM

Not only do I love the idea of the Steampunk Commando, I surprisingly have some wing models that might be suitable, and which I never thought I'd have a use for:

I think the first would probably be best, with the addition of other Steampunkish gear. What do you think?

Also, I don't know if this character would fit in... possibly as a late-game unit, available with Valves?

Stormrage · Oct 12, 2007, 03:57 AM

Yeah, the first one would be best, IMO

KingArthur · Oct 12, 2007, 04:27 AM

That's Great Plotinus.

I picture the wings as having a rather stiff, mechanical movement - a little like a butterfly I suppose. I'm not sure if you can achieve that with wing set number 1? It looks more suitable for gliding rather than being 2 distinct wings that would articulate separately. Oh and no one has mentioned the rather big holes in those wings :LOL

The robot is a classic and Valves is a classic tech name. I'd definitely find a use for him.

Plotinus · Oct 12, 2007, 04:32 AM

The first set of wings do actually articulate well - it's not obvious in that image, but they flap and also the different segments in each wing slide over each other, allowing them to fold in and out. As for the holes - errr - nothing Steampunk would really work anyway! Although I should think it would be possible to create some webbing or thin material to fill the holes, perhaps, or to cover one side of the wings, so that the iron is simply the framework.

Glad you like Robbie. I was very pleased to find that model.

I'll add these units to the to-do list then, although there are some others already on it that must take priority...

KingArthur · Oct 12, 2007, 05:17 AM

The wings sound fine then, perhaps simple canvas looking covering or black leather could do for the holes - nothing synthetic though. I quite the like the sound of the sliding segments.

Thanks for adding units to your to do list, I appreciate it very much.

This sub-forum thingy seems to be taking off now and there was me getting worried for a while

Blue Monkey · Oct 15, 2007, 07:45 PM

Your Steampunk Commando sounds a lot like Spring-Heeled Jack. Here's an image featuring him of a very rough and raw tech icon I'm tenatively calling Alter Egos:

Blue Monkey · Oct 15, 2007, 08:15 PM

Everyone that doesn't already needs to know about Vernian Process - hours and hours of free Steampunk soundtrack.

And speaking of Steam Trek - definitely read Ishmael, a roman à clef in which an amnesiac Spock is end up in an 1860s where he encounters characters from TV westerns that were more or less contemporary to Star Trek. Whoa! Talk about your Wold Newton! Then there's How Much For Just The Planet? in which Kirk must negotiate vs. the Klingons with the people of a planet obsessed with Gilbert & Sullivan. The Klingon explanation of Victorian formal dinner attire is one of the greatest Star Trek moments ever, IMHO. Several SF authors receive homage as named characters in this "Tribbles" kind of story.

Plotinus · Oct 16, 2007, 01:19 AM

Spring-heeled Jack - brilliant idea!

Little-known fact: Leibniz and von Helmont designed shoes with springs in the heels to help people run faster. A connection? Nice to think so...

Blue Monkey · Oct 16, 2007, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plotinus

Spring-heeled Jack - brilliant idea!

Little-known fact: Leibniz and von Helmont designed shoes with springs in the heels to help people run faster. A connection? Nice to think so...

Newton was an alchemist; perhaps Leibniz was also. And when Newton got the credit for calculus, he worked feverishly until he actually discovered the philosophers' stone, became immortal, and began taking his eternal revenge against all Englishmen.

And Moriarty was a mathematics professor ...

Plotinus · Oct 17, 2007, 03:47 AM

One of Leibniz' first jobs was working for a group of alchemists. I don't think he was ever really into it in the way that Newton was, though; indeed, his whole philosophy was based around the notion that everything is clear and easy to understand if you put your mind to it, while alchemy was all about mystique and ancient secrets. However, Leibniz was a cabbalist - that's where he got the idea of monads.

Blue Monkey · Oct 17, 2007, 07:04 AM

I was just riffing in an alternate-reality kind of way. I don't really believe Leibniz was Moriarty, although it is interesting to consider theodicy as a justification by a mind-warped mathematician for his immoral acts (cliology + social darwinism = best of all possible futures).

Plotinus · Oct 17, 2007, 10:13 AM

Ah, "cliology" is psychohistory, as in Asimov's Foundation? That could be a pretty good steampunk sort of idea too. I imagine that steampunk techs would have to include all sorts of daft Victorian ideas that in this scenario are actually true - crenology, mesmerism, fairies at the bottom of the garden (faerology?), etc.

Blue Monkey · Oct 17, 2007, 11:42 AM

Yes. Cliology is also understood to involve more direct societal manipulation than psychohistory, one effective tool of the Victorian Illuminati. Amongst the many tech icons I'm working on are some that lead through non-Euclidean maths combined with difference engine techs into time, aetheric (space) & dimensional manipulation & travel as well as Cliology.

Other ur-tech lines I'm working out icons for include Bertillonage and cogitative enhancement (via phrenology in part), a lot of the quack medicines such as violet ray therapy, and a series of developments based on Lamarckian evolution (Dr. Moreau will be happy).

Oct 08, 2007, 04:04 AM	#1
KingArthur Steamin' Monkey Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,907 Images: 2	Spurious Contraptions & Other Steampunk Oddities In here goes some off the wall stuff that probably won't make it into the steampunk scenarios. It's all steampunk related of sorts. Here's my contribution: Steam Punk Star Wars http://ericpoulton.blogspot.com/sear...%20star%20wars There will be a Space Race victory in this scenario but will it look like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y39gHihP74 Hopefully, these links will provide some inspiration to unit makers and raise a few smiles. A Land Ship http://forums.civfanatics.com/attach...1&d=1139090850 http://www.tin-soldier.com/Steamtk1.htm Walkers http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/walker.JPG http://historicalhobbies.com/DOGS/ma...teamSpider.htm General Links: (provided by Ozymandias) http://www-personal.umich.edu/~beattie/steam.html http://historicalhobbies.com/DOGS/ma...t/Gaslight.htm (provided by pedrov) http://www.voidgamers.com/channel/b.320.r.305.html how about the electric man settler?... http://www.bigredhair.com/robots/ and some pretty cool airships... http://home.att.net/~dannysoar2/HarryGrantDart.htm some of the airships are interesting... http://www.visualparadox.com/scifi.htm okay, probably extreme (definitely extreme), but perhaps an inspiration for land-based aircraft carriers... http://www.dp9.com/Support/landship.htm definitely worth navigating for whatever interest, the war stuff is pretty nice (like what appears to be a ferris-wheel style war machine... links at the bottom of the main page (e.g., Future War, ... http://www.davidszondy.com/future/futurepast.htm NB: this OP is a combination of the OPs from the two former threads. __________________ WIP: A spot of Steampunk with your Civ3 Scenarios Escape From Zombie Island 2: The Remake The Super Civ Scenario Last edited by Blue Monkey; Mar 12, 2011 at 06:53 PM. Reason: merging functions of two threads

Oct 08, 2007, 02:01 PM	#3
Plotinus Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: London Posts: 14,851	Love Steam Trek! __________________ Try the Anglo-Saxon scenario... Or can you build an empire of Africa? A list of units. Sensible religion discussion. Please read: the truth about children brought up by gay couples.

Oct 11, 2007, 04:49 AM	#4
KingArthur Steamin' Monkey Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,907 Images: 2	Here's some things I just googled and thought would make great units in the game: The powered dirigeable (probably pedal powered ) and a Steampunk Commando, parachuting behind enemy lines from the aforementioned dirigeable. Attached Thumbnails __________________ WIP: A spot of Steampunk with your Civ3 Scenarios Escape From Zombie Island 2: The Remake The Super Civ Scenario

Oct 11, 2007, 06:15 AM	#6
aaglo Furioso! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Planet Baal Posts: 8,184 Images: 1	My first thought was: Doom Diver! I think there are some dirigibles flying around... but I'm not sure. __________________ R.I.P. Stormrage, my partner in Green Warhammer Fantasy mod 2.5 for Civ3Conquests - HistoriCanada - Civ3-mod about canadian history My Civ3-unitsMy all other Civ3-graphicsThings for me to do. It's not an optical illusion - it only looks like it...

Oct 12, 2007, 02:52 AM	#8
Plotinus Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: London Posts: 14,851	Not only do I love the idea of the Steampunk Commando, I surprisingly have some wing models that might be suitable, and which I never thought I'd have a use for: I think the first would probably be best, with the addition of other Steampunkish gear. What do you think? Also, I don't know if this character would fit in... possibly as a late-game unit, available with Valves? __________________ Try the Anglo-Saxon scenario... Or can you build an empire of Africa? A list of units. Sensible religion discussion. Please read: the truth about children brought up by gay couples.

Oct 08, 2007, 04:33 AM	#2
KingArthur Steamin' Monkey Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,907 Images: 2	Reserved for unit Wish List I'd really like to see a steam powered walker: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~beatt.../16tripod.jpeg http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/walker.JPG http://historicalhobbies.com/DOGS/ma...teamSpider.htm And a Land Ship. This would appear in between aaglo's Steam Tank and Hikaro's Land Battleship. http://forums.civfanatics.com/attach...1&d=1139090850 http://www.tin-soldier.com/Steamtk1.htm

Oct 11, 2007, 05:50 AM	#5
Stormrage Ever Present Taskmaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: behind the scenes Posts: 10,573	Hah, Batman!

Oct 11, 2007, 07:04 AM	#7
KingArthur Steamin' Monkey Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,907 Images: 2	It does resemble the doom diver now you mention it, although I see this as a steam powered contraption that would jerkily flap the wings a bit for short periods before the fuel supply ran out - maybe good for jumping out a balloon to get a controlled descent. I've seen some airship units but most are standard zeppelin type craft. There's Hikaro's great powered airships too but they are very advanced and I would put them in a late tech. There's also the unit with a boat hung beneath a balloon that most resembles the pic (used in WH2, may even be your unit) but I think it's too fantasy looking or at least looks like "middle-ages" steampunk.

Oct 12, 2007, 03:57 AM	#9
Stormrage Ever Present Taskmaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: behind the scenes Posts: 10,573	Yeah, the first one would be best, IMO

Oct 12, 2007, 04:27 AM	#10
KingArthur Steamin' Monkey Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,907 Images: 2	That's Great Plotinus. I picture the wings as having a rather stiff, mechanical movement - a little like a butterfly I suppose. I'm not sure if you can achieve that with wing set number 1? It looks more suitable for gliding rather than being 2 distinct wings that would articulate separately. Oh and no one has mentioned the rather big holes in those wings :LOL The robot is a classic and Valves is a classic tech name. I'd definitely find a use for him.

Oct 12, 2007, 04:32 AM	#11
Plotinus Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: London Posts: 14,851	The first set of wings do actually articulate well - it's not obvious in that image, but they flap and also the different segments in each wing slide over each other, allowing them to fold in and out. As for the holes - errr - nothing Steampunk would really work anyway! Although I should think it would be possible to create some webbing or thin material to fill the holes, perhaps, or to cover one side of the wings, so that the iron is simply the framework. Glad you like Robbie. I was very pleased to find that model. I'll add these units to the to-do list then, although there are some others already on it that must take priority... __________________ Try the Anglo-Saxon scenario... Or can you build an empire of Africa? A list of units. Sensible religion discussion. Please read: the truth about children brought up by gay couples.

Oct 12, 2007, 05:17 AM	#12
KingArthur Steamin' Monkey Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,907 Images: 2	The wings sound fine then, perhaps simple canvas looking covering or black leather could do for the holes - nothing synthetic though. I quite the like the sound of the sliding segments. Thanks for adding units to your to do list, I appreciate it very much. This sub-forum thingy seems to be taking off now and there was me getting worried for a while __________________ WIP: A spot of Steampunk with your Civ3 Scenarios Escape From Zombie Island 2: The Remake The Super Civ Scenario

Oct 15, 2007, 07:45 PM	#13
Blue Monkey nobody Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Goose Town Posts: 9,500 Images: 3	Your Steampunk Commando sounds a lot like Spring-Heeled Jack. Here's an image featuring him of a very rough and raw tech icon I'm tenatively calling Alter Egos: __________________ ... in every game and con there's always an opponent, and there's always a victim. The trick is to know when you're the latter, so you can become the former. - G. Ritchie The Many Worlds of Steampunk : Dark Continent

Oct 15, 2007, 08:15 PM	#14
Blue Monkey nobody Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Goose Town Posts: 9,500 Images: 3	Everyone that doesn't already needs to know about Vernian Process - hours and hours of free Steampunk soundtrack. And speaking of Steam Trek - definitely read Ishmael, a roman à clef in which an amnesiac Spock is end up in an 1860s where he encounters characters from TV westerns that were more or less contemporary to Star Trek. Whoa! Talk about your Wold Newton! Then there's How Much For Just The Planet? in which Kirk must negotiate vs. the Klingons with the people of a planet obsessed with Gilbert & Sullivan. The Klingon explanation of Victorian formal dinner attire is one of the greatest Star Trek moments ever, IMHO. Several SF authors receive homage as named characters in this "Tribbles" kind of story. __________________ ... in every game and con there's always an opponent, and there's always a victim. The trick is to know when you're the latter, so you can become the former. - G. Ritchie The Many Worlds of Steampunk : Dark Continent

Oct 16, 2007, 01:19 AM	#15
Plotinus Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: London Posts: 14,851	Spring-heeled Jack - brilliant idea! Little-known fact: Leibniz and von Helmont designed shoes with springs in the heels to help people run faster. A connection? Nice to think so... __________________ Try the Anglo-Saxon scenario... Or can you build an empire of Africa? A list of units. Sensible religion discussion. Please read: the truth about children brought up by gay couples.

Oct 17, 2007, 03:47 AM	#17
Plotinus Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: London Posts: 14,851	One of Leibniz' first jobs was working for a group of alchemists. I don't think he was ever really into it in the way that Newton was, though; indeed, his whole philosophy was based around the notion that everything is clear and easy to understand if you put your mind to it, while alchemy was all about mystique and ancient secrets. However, Leibniz was a cabbalist - that's where he got the idea of monads. __________________ Try the Anglo-Saxon scenario... Or can you build an empire of Africa? A list of units. Sensible religion discussion. Please read: the truth about children brought up by gay couples.

Oct 17, 2007, 07:04 AM	#18
Blue Monkey nobody Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Goose Town Posts: 9,500 Images: 3	I was just riffing in an alternate-reality kind of way. I don't really believe Leibniz was Moriarty, although it is interesting to consider theodicy as a justification by a mind-warped mathematician for his immoral acts (cliology + social darwinism = best of all possible futures). __________________ ... in every game and con there's always an opponent, and there's always a victim. The trick is to know when you're the latter, so you can become the former. - G. Ritchie The Many Worlds of Steampunk : Dark Continent

Oct 17, 2007, 10:13 AM	#19
Plotinus Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: London Posts: 14,851	Ah, "cliology" is psychohistory, as in Asimov's Foundation? That could be a pretty good steampunk sort of idea too. I imagine that steampunk techs would have to include all sorts of daft Victorian ideas that in this scenario are actually true - crenology, mesmerism, fairies at the bottom of the garden (faerology?), etc. __________________ Try the Anglo-Saxon scenario... Or can you build an empire of Africa? A list of units. Sensible religion discussion. Please read: the truth about children brought up by gay couples.

Oct 17, 2007, 11:42 AM	#20
Blue Monkey nobody Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Goose Town Posts: 9,500 Images: 3	Yes. Cliology is also understood to involve more direct societal manipulation than psychohistory, one effective tool of the Victorian Illuminati. Amongst the many tech icons I'm working on are some that lead through non-Euclidean maths combined with difference engine techs into time, aetheric (space) & dimensional manipulation & travel as well as Cliology. Other ur-tech lines I'm working out icons for include Bertillonage and cogitative enhancement (via phrenology in part), a lot of the quack medicines such as violet ray therapy, and a series of developments based on Lamarckian evolution (Dr. Moreau will be happy). __________________ ... in every game and con there's always an opponent, and there's always a victim. The trick is to know when you're the latter, so you can become the former. - G. Ritchie The Many Worlds of Steampunk : Dark Continent

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