Happy Diamond Jubilee Ma'am

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Congratulations and best wishes to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II after 60 years of service to this fine Country.


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And some celebrations today by HM Armed Forces

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And because this is a discussion forum: what qualities make an ideal King or Queen, how has it changed through the ages, and does Elizabeth II fit the modern ideal of a Queen?
 
I thought this is going to be thread about Alisa Rosenbaum, but it's about another old woman living off the taxes other people have paid.
 
I thought this is going to be thread about Alisa Rosenbaum, but it's about another old woman living off the taxes other people have paid.
Very good :goodjob:

Also, congratulations to 60 years of personating a pointless and costly institution, Lizzie.
 
Happy Jubilee! What comes after diamond though?
 
A waste of money. I hope her reign ends soon.
 
A waste of money. I hope her reign ends soon.

Waste? The Crown Lands (that is to say, the lands personally held by the royal family) bring in a tremendous amount of revenue, most of which is now given to the government rather than the royal family. Only a small portion of those revenues goes to the royal family. So, even ignoring things like tourism, the Queen brings in more money than she costs.
 
bring in a tremendous amount of revenue, most of which is now given to the government rather than the royal family.

That's called taxes.
 
That's called taxes.

No, it's not, it's called the "Civil List". Perhaps a bit of reading is in order. I warn you, it's relatively long but it'll explain why that's not "called taxes". :) :p

Spoiler :
What a waste. That queen, living it off the government in her castles with her corgis. (and gin) Just how much does this cost to maintain?

The answer: 40 million pounds.

That’s about 65 pence per person per year of tax money going to the royal family. Sure, It’s still twenty-three pence short of a complete shield, but it might be more than you want to pay. Any after all, those are your coins. Why does the queen get to steal them?

Well, it’s a little complicated. The story starts with this guy: King George the third, most well known as the monarch who lost the United States for the Empire.

Less well known – but far more interesting – is he likely suffered from a mental illness called Porphyria which has the unusual side effect of transforming your poop from it’s normal boring brown to a delightful shade of purple.

But I digress – back to the the reason the Royals get tax money. King George was having trouble paying his bills and had racked up debt. While he did own huge tracts of land, the profit from their rental was too small to cover his expenses. He offered a deal to parliament: for the rest of his life he would surrender the profits from the rents on his land in exchange for getting a fixed annual salary and having his debts removed. Parliament took him up on the deal, guessing that the profits from the rents would pay off long-term.

Just how well did parliament do? Back to the present, let’s compare their profits and losses by using a tenner to represent 10 million pounds. The cost to maintain the royal family today is 40 million pounds per year. But the revenue paid to the UK from the royal lands is 200 million.

200 million in revenue subtract 40 million in salary costs equals 160 million pounds in profit.

That’s right: The United Kingdom earns 160 million pounds in profit, every year from the Royal Family.

So stop all your moaning about the Royal family and how much they cost and how worthless they are.

Doing the individual’s math again:

160 million pounds divided by 62 million people is about 2 pounds and 60 pence.

Because of the Royal Family, your taxes are actually 2 pounds and 60 pence cheaper each year than they would otherwise be.

But perhaps that’s not enough for you because you’re a real greedy geezer. Why not kick they royals out and keep 100% of the revenue. Because it’s still their land. King George the crazy wasn’t crazy enough to give up everything, just the profits.

But it wasn’t only him: every Monarch since King George the third has voluntarily turned over the profits from their land to the United Kingdom. Again: Voluntarily.

If the government stopped paying the Royal Family’s living and state expenses the Royals would be forced to take back the profits from their land. And your taxes, dear Monarchy-haters, would go UP not DOWN.

Plus 160 million is just the easily measurable money the United Kingdom makes from the royal family. Don’t forget their huge indirect golden goose: tourists.

Annoying though they might be to the locals by blocking the tube and refusing to stand on the right, they dump buckets of money on the UK to see the sights, travel ludicrously short distances by public transport, and generally act silly a long way from home.

Sure not everything they come to see is royal, but the most expensive stuff is.

And who are the biggest spenders? The Yanks.

After they’ve finished buying maple syrup and cheap, pharmaceuticals, Tijuanaian professional services and illegal pharmaceuticals, where do they go next?

The United Kingdom.

Americans fly across an ocean to see a land filled with Castles that aren’t plastic. And why do the Americans think Frances castles are so boring and stinky and the UK’s castles so awesome? Because real monarchs still use them. The tower of London is so stunning to visitors because the Royal Crest on the Yeomen Warders Uniform is real. It’s not a lame historical re-enactment or modern LARPing. It’s the embodiment of the living, breathing queen. Everywhere you look she’s sprinkled fairy dust on banal objects to make them magically attractive to tourists. 12 million of whom visit every year spending 7,000 million pounds. Which suddenly makes those direct profits look like rather small change.

But perhaps you don’t care than the monarchs are a perpetual GOLD MINE for the UK. You’re a Republican and you dislike like the royal family because of their political power. After all, the government gets all its right to rule through the crown, not the people.

And yes, I’ll grant you that back in the head-choppy days of yore, this was a legitimate concern, but the modern queen isn’t a dangerous political lion but a declawed kitten.Her powers are limited to a kabuki theater act of approving what parliament wants to do anyway.

Remove the royal family from government and fundamentally nothing would be different except now you wouldn’t live in the magical United Kingdom but the rather dull United Republic of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. A.K.A URESWNI for short. Doesn’t quite have the same ring to it.
 
Ok, I take that back. Interesting to learn more about how this works, thanks for explaining me.
But this also means that the Queen is paying Britain to keep her, so she must be really terrible and she knows it :lol::sarcasm:
I'm not following the British Royal Family, and I have a question: if Queen Elizabeth dies, who will succeed her?
 
King George didn't personally own those lands, the crown did. And since on abolishing the crown all its goods are usually taken, being considered national property, by the new republic, this means that the full 200 million pounds would revert to the state anyway. The Crown Estate makes for a lousy excuse to continue paying any money at all to the royal parasites.

The real reason for keeping the monarchy was the British Empire, which did not grant representation to its colonies: by claiming that the king/emperor is the one ruler of the empire the whole issue of representation can be postponed, and inbred english lords appointed as governors. But the British Empire is now history.

I'm betting that the monarchy in the UK will die with Elizabeth II. Charles may inherit or get passed over, but in any case a new monarch will be a mere poser getting no respect even in the UK. Canada and Australia will dump him, and the UK will finally follow suit after a few years. And they can get rid of the House of Lords while they are at it, another obsolete institution since the end of the Empire.
 
A bit cruel...
I don't see how. If she abdicated or were otherwise removed from office while remaining alive, she wouldn't be a monarch anymore. Therefore, the only way for a monarch to be a good, or at least not bad, monarch, while still remaining monarch, would be to be dead.
 
Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold, SoulSilver, Black, and White.

What comes after white though? I know it's unlikely given humans tend to live up to 100 but it'd be good to have these procedures down before we can live a thousand years.
 
May the Queen continue her important task of politically nullifying the position of head of state for many years to come.
 
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