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This article seems bigger than either of our war oriented threads so I gave it its own home. We are in the midst of significant change and the topic is worthy of discussion,

Drone Swarms Are About to Change the Balance of Military Power

On today’s battlefields, drones are a manageable threat. When hundreds of them can be harnessed to AI technology, they will become a tool of conquest.

BY ELLIOT ACKERMAN AND JAMES STAVRIDIS

The Shahed-model drone that killed three U.S. service members at a remote base in Jordan on Jan. 28 cost around $20,000. It was part of a family of drones built by Shahed Aviation Industries Research Center, an Iranian company run by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. A thousand miles away and three days later, on the night of Jan. 31 into the morning of Feb. 1, unmanned maritime drones deployed by Ukraine’s secretive Unit 13 sunk the $70 million Russian warship Ivanovets in the Black Sea. And for the past several months, Houthi proxies have shut down billions of dollars of trade through the Gulf of Aden through similarly inexpensive drone attacks on maritime shipping. Drones have become suddenly ubiquitous on the battlefield—but we are only at the dawn of this new age in warfare.

This would not be the first time that a low-cost technology and a new conception of warfare combined to supplant high-cost technologies based on old ways. History is littered with similar stories. A favorite comes from the time of Alexander the Great. His conquests are as much a technological story as a political one. When Alexander’s army stepped onto the battlefield it was not only with a new technology—the sarissa, a 16-foot spear—but also with a new conception of how to use that weapon in tight, impregnable phalanxes. These heavily armed formations allowed Alexander to repel Persian armored chariots and Indian war elephants and to march deep into the subcontinent.

The most formidable element of American power-projection has long been the warship. After the Oct. 7 attacks against Israel, the Biden administration sent two carrier battle groups to the region to deter Iranian aggression. One of those carriers, the USS Gerald R. Ford, was on its maiden voyage, having recently been completed at a price tag of $13 billion. This makes it the most expensive warship in history.

For that same sum, a nation could purchase 650,000 Shahed drones. It would only take a few of those drones finding their target to cripple and perhaps sink the Ford. Fortunately, the Ford and other U.S. warships possess ample missile defense systems that make it highly improbable that a few, or even a few dozen, Shahed drones could land direct hits. But rapid developments in AI are changing that.

Drones are simple, cheap and available to militaries the world over—they’re the sarissas of today. But what those militaries have yet to achieve is the conception of war that will fulfill the potential of these unmanned systems. Much as the sarissa changed the face of warfare 2,000 years ago when employed in a phalanx of well-trained soldiers, the drone will change the face of warfare when employed in swarms directed by AI. This moment hasn’t yet arrived, but it is rushing to meet us. If we’re not prepared, these new technologies deployed at scale could shift the global balance of military power.

The future of warfare won’t be decided by weapons systems but by systems of weapons, and those systems will cost less. Many of them already exist, whether they’re the Sha-hed drones attacking shipping in the Gulf of Aden or the Switchblade drones destroying Russian tanks in the Donbas or smart seaborne mines around Taiwan. What doesn’t yet exist are the AI-directed systems that will allow a nation to take unmanned warfare to scale. But they’re coming.

A few Shahed drones are mostly a hassle, easily swatted from the sky except in the rare case when they score a lucky hit. They are best at blinding radars, disrupting communications and attacking small numbers of troops, as they did tragically in Jordan. But dozens or hundreds of drones in AI-directed swarms will have the capacity to overwhelm defenses and destroy even advanced platforms. Nations that depend on large, expensive systems like aircraft carriers, stealth aircraft or even battle tanks could find themselves vulnerable against an adversary who deploys a variety of low-cost, easily dispersed and long-range unmanned weapons.

At its core, AI is a technology based on pattern recognition. In military theory, the interplay between pattern recognition and decision-making is known as the OODA loop— observe, orient, decide, act. The OODA loop theory, developed in the 1950s by Air Force fighter pilot John Boyd, contends that the side in a conflict that can move through its OODA loop fastest will possess a decisive battlefield advantage.

For example, of the more than 150 drone attacks on U.S. forces since the Oct. 7 attacks, in all but one case the OODA loop used by our forces was sufficient to subvert the attack. Our warships and bases were able to observe the incoming drones, orient against the threat, decide to launch countermeasures and then act. Deployed in AI-directed swarms, however, the same drones could overwhelm any human-directed OODA loop. It’s impossible to launch thousands of autonomous drones piloted by individuals, but the computational capacity of AI makes such swarms a possibility.

This will transform warfare. The race won’t be for the best platforms but for the best AI directing those platforms. It’s a war of OODA loops, swarm versus swarm. The winning side will be the one that’s developed the AI-based decision-making that can outpace their adversary. Warfare is headed toward a brain-on-brain conflict.

The Department of Defense is already researching a “brain-computer interface,” which is a direct communications pathway between the brain and an AI. A recent study by the RAND Corporation examining how such an interface could “support human- machine decision-making” raised the myriad ethical concerns that exist when humans become the weakest link in the wartime decision-making chain. To avoid a nightmare future with battlefields populated by fully autonomous killer robots, the U.S. has insisted that a human decision maker must always remain in the loop before any AI-based system might conduct a lethal strike.

But will our adversaries show similar restraint? Or would they be willing to remove the human to gain an edge on the battlefield? The first battles in this new age of warfare are only now being fought. It’s easy to imagine a future, however, where navies will cease to operate as fleets and will become schools of unmanned surface and submersible vessels, where air forces will stand down their squadrons and stand up their swarms, and where a conquering army will appear less like Alexander’s soldiers and more like a robotic infestation.

Much like the nuclear arms race of the last century, the AI arms race will define this current one. Whoever wins will possess a profound military advantage. Make no mistake, if placed in authoritarian hands, AI dominance will become a tool of conquest, just as Alexander expanded his empire with the new weapons and tactics of his age. The ancient historian Plutarch reminds us how that campaign ended: “When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer.” Elliot Ackerman and James Stavridis are the authors of “2054,” a novel that speculates about the role of AI in future conflicts, just published by Penguin Press. Ackerman, a Marine veteran, is the author of numerous books and a senior fellow at Yale’s Jackson School of Global Affairs. Admiral Stavridis, U.S. Navy (ret.), was the 16th Supreme Allied Commander of NATO and is a partner at the Carlyle Group.



A swarm of low-cost drones could overwhelm aircraft carriers or battle tanks.


HIT ANDRUN
 
This article seems bigger than either of our war oriented threads so I gave it its own home. We are in the midst of significant change and the topic is worthy of discussion,

Drone Swarms Are About to Change the Balance of Military Power

On today’s battlefields, drones are a manageable threat. When hundreds of them can be harnessed to AI technology, they will become a tool of conquest.

BY ELLIOT ACKERMAN AND JAMES STAVRIDIS

The Shahed-model drone that killed three U.S. service members at a remote base in Jordan on Jan. 28 cost around $20,000. It was part of a family of drones built by Shahed Aviation Industries Research Center, an Iranian company run by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. A thousand miles away and three days later, on the night of Jan. 31 into the morning of Feb. 1, unmanned maritime drones deployed by Ukraine’s secretive Unit 13 sunk the $70 million Russian warship Ivanovets in the Black Sea. And for the past several months, Houthi proxies have shut down billions of dollars of trade through the Gulf of Aden through similarly inexpensive drone attacks on maritime shipping. Drones have become suddenly ubiquitous on the battlefield—but we are only at the dawn of this new age in warfare.

This would not be the first time that a low-cost technology and a new conception of warfare combined to supplant high-cost technologies based on old ways. History is littered with similar stories. A favorite comes from the time of Alexander the Great. His conquests are as much a technological story as a political one. When Alexander’s army stepped onto the battlefield it was not only with a new technology—the sarissa, a 16-foot spear—but also with a new conception of how to use that weapon in tight, impregnable phalanxes. These heavily armed formations allowed Alexander to repel Persian armored chariots and Indian war elephants and to march deep into the subcontinent.

The most formidable element of American power-projection has long been the warship. After the Oct. 7 attacks against Israel, the Biden administration sent two carrier battle groups to the region to deter Iranian aggression. One of those carriers, the USS Gerald R. Ford, was on its maiden voyage, having recently been completed at a price tag of $13 billion. This makes it the most expensive warship in history.

For that same sum, a nation could purchase 650,000 Shahed drones. It would only take a few of those drones finding their target to cripple and perhaps sink the Ford. Fortunately, the Ford and other U.S. warships possess ample missile defense systems that make it highly improbable that a few, or even a few dozen, Shahed drones could land direct hits. But rapid developments in AI are changing that.

Drones are simple, cheap and available to militaries the world over—they’re the sarissas of today. But what those militaries have yet to achieve is the conception of war that will fulfill the potential of these unmanned systems. Much as the sarissa changed the face of warfare 2,000 years ago when employed in a phalanx of well-trained soldiers, the drone will change the face of warfare when employed in swarms directed by AI. This moment hasn’t yet arrived, but it is rushing to meet us. If we’re not prepared, these new technologies deployed at scale could shift the global balance of military power.

The future of warfare won’t be decided by weapons systems but by systems of weapons, and those systems will cost less. Many of them already exist, whether they’re the Sha-hed drones attacking shipping in the Gulf of Aden or the Switchblade drones destroying Russian tanks in the Donbas or smart seaborne mines around Taiwan. What doesn’t yet exist are the AI-directed systems that will allow a nation to take unmanned warfare to scale. But they’re coming.

A few Shahed drones are mostly a hassle, easily swatted from the sky except in the rare case when they score a lucky hit. They are best at blinding radars, disrupting communications and attacking small numbers of troops, as they did tragically in Jordan. But dozens or hundreds of drones in AI-directed swarms will have the capacity to overwhelm defenses and destroy even advanced platforms. Nations that depend on large, expensive systems like aircraft carriers, stealth aircraft or even battle tanks could find themselves vulnerable against an adversary who deploys a variety of low-cost, easily dispersed and long-range unmanned weapons.

At its core, AI is a technology based on pattern recognition. In military theory, the interplay between pattern recognition and decision-making is known as the OODA loop— observe, orient, decide, act. The OODA loop theory, developed in the 1950s by Air Force fighter pilot John Boyd, contends that the side in a conflict that can move through its OODA loop fastest will possess a decisive battlefield advantage.

For example, of the more than 150 drone attacks on U.S. forces since the Oct. 7 attacks, in all but one case the OODA loop used by our forces was sufficient to subvert the attack. Our warships and bases were able to observe the incoming drones, orient against the threat, decide to launch countermeasures and then act. Deployed in AI-directed swarms, however, the same drones could overwhelm any human-directed OODA loop. It’s impossible to launch thousands of autonomous drones piloted by individuals, but the computational capacity of AI makes such swarms a possibility.

This will transform warfare. The race won’t be for the best platforms but for the best AI directing those platforms. It’s a war of OODA loops, swarm versus swarm. The winning side will be the one that’s developed the AI-based decision-making that can outpace their adversary. Warfare is headed toward a brain-on-brain conflict.

The Department of Defense is already researching a “brain-computer interface,” which is a direct communications pathway between the brain and an AI. A recent study by the RAND Corporation examining how such an interface could “support human- machine decision-making” raised the myriad ethical concerns that exist when humans become the weakest link in the wartime decision-making chain. To avoid a nightmare future with battlefields populated by fully autonomous killer robots, the U.S. has insisted that a human decision maker must always remain in the loop before any AI-based system might conduct a lethal strike.

But will our adversaries show similar restraint? Or would they be willing to remove the human to gain an edge on the battlefield? The first battles in this new age of warfare are only now being fought. It’s easy to imagine a future, however, where navies will cease to operate as fleets and will become schools of unmanned surface and submersible vessels, where air forces will stand down their squadrons and stand up their swarms, and where a conquering army will appear less like Alexander’s soldiers and more like a robotic infestation.

Much like the nuclear arms race of the last century, the AI arms race will define this current one. Whoever wins will possess a profound military advantage. Make no mistake, if placed in authoritarian hands, AI dominance will become a tool of conquest, just as Alexander expanded his empire with the new weapons and tactics of his age. The ancient historian Plutarch reminds us how that campaign ended: “When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer.” Elliot Ackerman and James Stavridis are the authors of “2054,” a novel that speculates about the role of AI in future conflicts, just published by Penguin Press. Ackerman, a Marine veteran, is the author of numerous books and a senior fellow at Yale’s Jackson School of Global Affairs. Admiral Stavridis, U.S. Navy (ret.), was the 16th Supreme Allied Commander of NATO and is a partner at the Carlyle Group.



A swarm of low-cost drones could overwhelm aircraft carriers or battle tanks.


HIT ANDRUN

Does this concern you in any discernable way?
 
the blog that dispenses Pentagon's lies responds to stuff about the combined attack on Boeing with news the Langley airbase was attacked or whatever by drones for a week in December . Supposedly they are commercial stuff launched from submarines which the USN can not somehow track . So , unless it suits Trump or whatever it means nothing .
 
This article seems bigger than either of our war oriented threads so I gave it its own home. We are in the midst of significant change and the topic is worthy of discussion,

Drone Swarms Are About to Change the Balance of Military Power

On today’s battlefields, drones are a manageable threat. When hundreds of them can be harnessed to AI technology, they will become a tool of conquest.

BY ELLIOT ACKERMAN AND JAMES STAVRIDIS

The Shahed-model drone that killed three U.S. service members at a remote base in Jordan on Jan. 28 cost around $20,000. It was part of a family of drones built by Shahed Aviation Industries Research Center, an Iranian company run by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. A thousand miles away and three days later, on the night of Jan. 31 into the morning of Feb. 1, unmanned maritime drones deployed by Ukraine’s secretive Unit 13 sunk the $70 million Russian warship Ivanovets in the Black Sea. And for the past several months, Houthi proxies have shut down billions of dollars of trade through the Gulf of Aden through similarly inexpensive drone attacks on maritime shipping. Drones have become suddenly ubiquitous on the battlefield—but we are only at the dawn of this new age in warfare.

This would not be the first time that a low-cost technology and a new conception of warfare combined to supplant high-cost technologies based on old ways. History is littered with similar stories. A favorite comes from the time of Alexander the Great. His conquests are as much a technological story as a political one. When Alexander’s army stepped onto the battlefield it was not only with a new technology—the sarissa, a 16-foot spear—but also with a new conception of how to use that weapon in tight, impregnable phalanxes. These heavily armed formations allowed Alexander to repel Persian armored chariots and Indian war elephants and to march deep into the subcontinent.

The most formidable element of American power-projection has long been the warship. After the Oct. 7 attacks against Israel, the Biden administration sent two carrier battle groups to the region to deter Iranian aggression. One of those carriers, the USS Gerald R. Ford, was on its maiden voyage, having recently been completed at a price tag of $13 billion. This makes it the most expensive warship in history.

For that same sum, a nation could purchase 650,000 Shahed drones. It would only take a few of those drones finding their target to cripple and perhaps sink the Ford. Fortunately, the Ford and other U.S. warships possess ample missile defense systems that make it highly improbable that a few, or even a few dozen, Shahed drones could land direct hits. But rapid developments in AI are changing that.

Drones are simple, cheap and available to militaries the world over—they’re the sarissas of today. But what those militaries have yet to achieve is the conception of war that will fulfill the potential of these unmanned systems. Much as the sarissa changed the face of warfare 2,000 years ago when employed in a phalanx of well-trained soldiers, the drone will change the face of warfare when employed in swarms directed by AI. This moment hasn’t yet arrived, but it is rushing to meet us. If we’re not prepared, these new technologies deployed at scale could shift the global balance of military power.

The future of warfare won’t be decided by weapons systems but by systems of weapons, and those systems will cost less. Many of them already exist, whether they’re the Sha-hed drones attacking shipping in the Gulf of Aden or the Switchblade drones destroying Russian tanks in the Donbas or smart seaborne mines around Taiwan. What doesn’t yet exist are the AI-directed systems that will allow a nation to take unmanned warfare to scale. But they’re coming.

A few Shahed drones are mostly a hassle, easily swatted from the sky except in the rare case when they score a lucky hit. They are best at blinding radars, disrupting communications and attacking small numbers of troops, as they did tragically in Jordan. But dozens or hundreds of drones in AI-directed swarms will have the capacity to overwhelm defenses and destroy even advanced platforms. Nations that depend on large, expensive systems like aircraft carriers, stealth aircraft or even battle tanks could find themselves vulnerable against an adversary who deploys a variety of low-cost, easily dispersed and long-range unmanned weapons.

At its core, AI is a technology based on pattern recognition. In military theory, the interplay between pattern recognition and decision-making is known as the OODA loop— observe, orient, decide, act. The OODA loop theory, developed in the 1950s by Air Force fighter pilot John Boyd, contends that the side in a conflict that can move through its OODA loop fastest will possess a decisive battlefield advantage.

For example, of the more than 150 drone attacks on U.S. forces since the Oct. 7 attacks, in all but one case the OODA loop used by our forces was sufficient to subvert the attack. Our warships and bases were able to observe the incoming drones, orient against the threat, decide to launch countermeasures and then act. Deployed in AI-directed swarms, however, the same drones could overwhelm any human-directed OODA loop. It’s impossible to launch thousands of autonomous drones piloted by individuals, but the computational capacity of AI makes such swarms a possibility.

This will transform warfare. The race won’t be for the best platforms but for the best AI directing those platforms. It’s a war of OODA loops, swarm versus swarm. The winning side will be the one that’s developed the AI-based decision-making that can outpace their adversary. Warfare is headed toward a brain-on-brain conflict.

The Department of Defense is already researching a “brain-computer interface,” which is a direct communications pathway between the brain and an AI. A recent study by the RAND Corporation examining how such an interface could “support human- machine decision-making” raised the myriad ethical concerns that exist when humans become the weakest link in the wartime decision-making chain. To avoid a nightmare future with battlefields populated by fully autonomous killer robots, the U.S. has insisted that a human decision maker must always remain in the loop before any AI-based system might conduct a lethal strike.

But will our adversaries show similar restraint? Or would they be willing to remove the human to gain an edge on the battlefield? The first battles in this new age of warfare are only now being fought. It’s easy to imagine a future, however, where navies will cease to operate as fleets and will become schools of unmanned surface and submersible vessels, where air forces will stand down their squadrons and stand up their swarms, and where a conquering army will appear less like Alexander’s soldiers and more like a robotic infestation.

Much like the nuclear arms race of the last century, the AI arms race will define this current one. Whoever wins will possess a profound military advantage. Make no mistake, if placed in authoritarian hands, AI dominance will become a tool of conquest, just as Alexander expanded his empire with the new weapons and tactics of his age. The ancient historian Plutarch reminds us how that campaign ended: “When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer.” Elliot Ackerman and James Stavridis are the authors of “2054,” a novel that speculates about the role of AI in future conflicts, just published by Penguin Press. Ackerman, a Marine veteran, is the author of numerous books and a senior fellow at Yale’s Jackson School of Global Affairs. Admiral Stavridis, U.S. Navy (ret.), was the 16th Supreme Allied Commander of NATO and is a partner at the Carlyle Group.



A swarm of low-cost drones could overwhelm aircraft carriers or battle tanks.


HIT ANDRUN
You have to love this last paragraph in which he aptly describes the US military machine for the last one hundred years and warns about "authoritarians" and then lists two US military officers with a long background of the most reactionary schooling and training available on the planet. lol oh the irony...

Meanwhile those of us who are aware of reality have been calling for a drone and robotics treaty for over twenty years.... you know whose blocking that kind of thing in the UN? or bilaterally... you guessed it. USA Inc. It took the grace of Kennedy and Stephenson to save us from nuclear Armageddon 60 years ago, we are going to need another one soon to save us from the Boston Dynamic dogs... or not, AI is insanely expensive to operate at this level for long periods of time... and vulnerable to all sorts of counter attacks on many levels, so who knows... I just know that when it comes to stupid civilization ending levels of weapons development and brinkmanship nothing beats USA Inc. Until I see otherwise these people can bug off with their "authoritarian hands" garbage.
 
IIR I made a statement that the deciding factor would likely be autonymous intercommunicating AI drone swarms in one of the R-U war threads about 22 months ago.

All that needs to be added is replicator tech.

And with a few reproduction mutations to eliminate inhibiting code.

Humanity can join the dinosaurs in extinction.
 
Does this concern you in any discernable way?
Not at all. If this is pointing accurately towards the future, and I think so, it will be a significant change in warfare. Perhaps like adding machines guns around 1900. I am a student of warfare through the ages and so big shifts are interesting.
 

As part of the proposed agreement, AI will be prohibited in autonomous systems like drones, as well as systems used to control and deploy nuclear warheads.


Washington and Beijing have both expressed concerns about the unregulated use of AI in military systems amid rapidly evolving battlefield threats.
It seems your article is written by meatheads advocating for more stupidity...

AI is being used to choose targets in Israel right now.... no one in their right mind (I stress this part), can look at what is has produced and think this is a good idea.
 
There is no stopping nations putting AI in drones.
 
Indeed, it does seem that warfare has changed again.

Currently one of the ways that drones are neutralised in Ukraine is signal jamming, and I’d assume for an AI drone that’d be irrelevant.

It’s pretty chilling how this is developing
 
and how is AI supposed to be solving the question ? Of whatever that bugs the West ? In view of this particular escapade that people were warned against people asking questions because they surely would be under the influence of a certain evil country . Is this a threat of some sort that people should pay attention to ? Oh , let us have some silly photo ... Bridge is too weak for the wonder of times , there are enough captured stuff and no urgency so they are using its excellently built mass as the support for the new bridge . Learned it today that T-64 was designed for European warfare and stuff and it is much better in the mud when compared to the T-72 which does much better in the sand where warfare was long accepted to happen in these times ...

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translation : Will see how things are always overrated .
 
I could be completely wrong, but my immediate question is: if you have the drones, you also have to have the power to supply them and the armaments to make them a weapon; how much of this is a limiting factor for some countries? Then there are the intelligence and operating factors: presumably, the enemy would need to know what and where to point the drone at—a fixed asset like an oil refinery might be easier than a column of soldiers traveling in a jeep.

At this point, I’m not sure if drones are the great military equalizer or a supplement to current militaries. I’m leaning much towards the latter.
 
AI drones will amplify existing superpowers military capabilities. They are the ones that can outproduce smaller states in anything, whether it's nuclear missiles or army drones. If anything, this will further increase asymmetry of power in favour of large countries.

As for countries that are best positioned for drone production - they have to have strong electronics manufacturing sectors, access to raw materials, advanced R&D capabilities, and skilled workforces. You don't need cutting edge nanometer tech to make those drones, but they require a rather deep list of avionics, batteries and software. Under the spoiler there's a list of requirements for drone construction, if the thread needs it.

Spoiler GPT4 to the rescue :

The Shahed series of drones, developed by Iran, encompasses a range of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) used for reconnaissance, combat, and surveillance purposes. Constructing Shahed-type military drones requires access to various specialized resources and capabilities. Here is a list of key resources and infrastructural needs for a country to develop and produce this type of military drone:

### 1. Advanced Materials
- **Composite Materials:** For lightweight and durable airframes, enhancing flight efficiency and stealth capabilities.
- **Metals:** Such as aluminum and titanium for structural components.
- **Electrical Conductors and Insulators:** For wiring and electronic components.

### 2. Electronic Components and Systems
- **Sensors and Cameras:** For reconnaissance, targeting, and navigation.
- **Navigation Systems:** Including GPS and possibly alternative navigation systems for GPS-denied environments.
- **Communication Systems:** Secure communication links for control and data transmission.
- **Flight Control Systems:** Including autopilots and stabilizers.
- **Propulsion Systems:** Engines (electric motors for smaller drones or internal combustion engines for larger models) and fuel systems.

### 3. Power Sources
- **Batteries:** High-density lithium-polymer (LiPo) batteries for electrically powered UAVs.
- **Fuel Cells or Conventional Fuel:** For longer endurance flights.

### 4. Software and Cybersecurity
- **Flight and Mission Software:** Including autonomous flight capabilities, mission planning, and execution software.
- **Encryption and Cybersecurity Measures:** To protect communications and control systems from interception and hacking.

### 5. Manufacturing and Testing Facilities
- **Advanced Manufacturing:** Precision manufacturing capabilities for both large components and microelectronics.
- **Testing Ranges:** For flight tests, including both restricted airspace and possibly simulators for initial testing phases.
- **Quality Control Systems:** To ensure reliability and safety of the UAVs.

### 6. Skilled Workforce
- **Engineers:** Specialized in aerospace, electronics, and software development.
- **Technicians:** For manufacturing, assembly, and maintenance.
- **Pilots and Operators:** For testing and operational training.

### 7. Research and Development (R&D)
- **R&D Infrastructure:** For ongoing improvement of drone capabilities and the development of new technologies.

### 8. International Partnerships and Procurement Channels
- **Components and Technology Import:** For countries lacking specific technologies or materials, international partnerships or procurement channels may be necessary to access critical components.

Countries aiming to develop Shahed-type military drones need a well-established defense industry capable of integrating advanced aerospace technologies, electronics, and cyber capabilities. Given the complexity and the broad range of technologies involved, substantial investment in R&D, infrastructure, and human capital is essential. Additionally, considering international regulations and sanctions, countries must also navigate the legal and geopolitical aspects of military drone development and procurement.
 


It seems your article is written by meatheads advocating for more stupidity...

AI is being used to choose targets in Israel right now.... no one in their right mind (I stress this part), can look at what is has produced and think this is a good idea.

It ain't stupidity, it's evolution baby!
🐒🦧🏹⚔️🥁⛽🤖👽👾
 
The sort of AI that would actually be useful in drones is something that they already can have and that has been flying in aircraft since forever. All you really need is the combination of an autopilot that can fly in a strait line or circle a designated point (which is basically 1910's tech) and a missile like lockon system. You don't and won't ever see anything beyond that because its simply not that useful and would be a wasted investment.

If the Ukraine war has taught us anything it's that most drones should not be regarded as aircraft to be gold plated and than used sparingly but as munitions to be thrown into the thick of it and expended. So making them too smart is just wasting money.

That is why the great powers are agreeing to ban AI in drones. It's the same as with putting atomic bombs in space and all the other banned stuff. The ban is there to prevent an arms race where all sides waste good money chasing each other in acquiring capability nobody actually wants.

The real place where AI is going to be useful is the one nobody is talking about. And that's intelligence processing. You see, for most of history the problem with getting accurate intelligence was actually getting the data to begin with. And what little data you had could in most cases be processed easily enough by a skilled team of humans. Today however the situation is reversed. We live in a world where the abundance of intelligence, both military and open source is overwhelming. And the one place where I predict that AI and it's pattern matching capabilities will be priceless is sifting through that in order to collate, analyze and present that information to commanders and analysts.

Which is coincidentally why nobody talks about banning AI development in those fields.

If for example you have an AI that can sift through 300 uploaded phone videos of a tank exploding on youtube and figure out just how many tanks your opponent actually lost today that is infinitely more useful than having a mildly smarter drone in the field. And that's only scratching the surface of the stuff you could do with a suitably good pattern recognition system.

So no, drones won't be using AI any time soon. AI will be used to plan the strikes those drones are sent on and analyze the intelligence they bring back in order to plan more strikes.
 
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US military tries to build counters for anything.
Yeah, anything we build, I suspect the first thought is "Ok, once they build it, how are we going to defend against it?" So I'm kind of with Moriarte: that any new advance, the rich countries will stay out ahead. US should again benefit from its relative isolation, moreover.

Now once the drones have generative AI, well now all bets are off.
 
Yeah, anything we build, I suspect the first thought is "Ok, once they build it, how are we going to defend against it?" So I'm kind of with Moriarte: that any new advance, the rich countries will stay out ahead. US should again benefit from its relative isolation, moreover.

Now once the drones have generative AI, well now all bets are off.

That device isn't about defeating the programing. It's about frying the circuitry. Which I guess is defeating the programing. Just a more brute force approach than programmers generally think to counter.

It takes a pretty heavy duty piece of hardware to protect electronics from being burned out brute force. And that means a much larger, and more expensive, machine.
 
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