Deity Challenge 3 - Austria, Pangaea

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I know it's a little pushy to have another deity challenge going after the first and second challenges, but it won't hurt to have another good game and map, right? :D

And this save I think we can do basically anything we dreamed about doing in a deity game.
Edit: but again, it's deity so everything comes with risk :D

Note: This save requires all DLCs.
otherwise, standard speed and all default settings except quick combat.

So here is the starting location:

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and some info about Austria:

Spoiler :

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Finally the save file as attached.

I will post a half-walkthrough and my strategy in the next post, hope you enjoy this good game!
 

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So here is a semi-walk through and strategy discussion.

Spoiler :


In many of my previous Austria play, desert start seems quite often, but to grab the desert folk lore is a little luck dependent. Also a warmonger civ seems to be close by. luckily this game won't have either problem.

On the first sight of the starting location, I thought moving towards the mountain-river-hill tile. Second thought is religion may be possible. So Pottery first for early shine. To the timing of finishing pottery I started with 2 scouts.

Scouting is crucial in deity play as AI is settling so fast that border closes quickly without a scout or 2. It also helped to meet CS early for the quests and know the AI locations.

One big reward of 2 scouts start in this game is to first meet a religious CS and get the desert folk lore patheon going for the first into a religion and maybe (forgot) the first to enhance.

Here is the religious choice. Heavy happiness focus as annexing CS costs a lot of happiness, cash is easier to get in deity by selling lux but happiness is the killer. Also I anticipate religious war so I choose the active enhancer belief to use the cheap but strong great prophets later. The passive ability doesn't work well if AI is sending constant prophets and convert the cities around your empire.

Spoiler :
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I had chance to steal a worker early but I didn't because of early scouts, I meet AIs quickly and they are all CS paranoid. This also pays off greatly as all AIs are friendly towards me, well except the dead one who hates me from the first encounter. Guess who?

Spoiler :
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I built the Oracle to get the second policy into the Patronage quickly for the 20 resting points, and plus the protection, CSs are all in friendly status.
Oracle is a good investment as it is usually safe to build after national college or if second city has high production going. In this game, 2 libraries were bought by lux selling cash to speed up NC. Also the AIs spare most of CSs in the map to allow the maximum benefit. (Except the 5 ones I annexed of course)

Spoiler :
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The opening of Order and Rationalism tree is for GE and GS purchase, as I delayed culture production so the timing of opening Order helped faith purchase a GE for the Brandenburg Gate, while the Austria UU is also unlocked.

Spoiler :
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This is the Austrian empire at turn 179, as you can see the mountains help a lot to prevent early war for peaceful development. I only built 1 warrior or 2 maybe for barb hunting. The rest army comes from CS annex. I also deleted a lot of units except the range units for protection, the Tradition free garrison policy also helps saving cost. Therefore this game is relatively easy in this regard, usually 6-8 early archors to upgrade are needed for defense.

Spoiler :
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Usually buying universities is necessary to keep the tech rate, but the cities have enough production to build universities. Saved money all goes to annex city states. The 5 annexed city states and the UBs coming online, the production of Austrian empire matches deity AIs. Even close to the likely run-away France.

Spoiler :
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Almost all national wonders are built, so from this point, domination is possible or science or diplomacy.

 
Thanks, EEE_BOY! I can see why you were eager to post this one! :) This is a nice alternative for those of us (like me) who wiped out early on the Byzantine map. Maybe a little cheesy, but I could use a little cheese after the first two, ha. I'm torn on where to settle this one:
  • Southeast of the warrior, next to the mountains.
  • On the gold, next to the oasis.
  • In place, next to gold and salt.
Next to the mountain looks like a great spot for a one-city Petra science game. On the gold seems like a safer choice for a Tradition quad game. I don't want to read spoilers yet, but I'm curious what your opening strategy was. (Edit: OK, looks like your spoiler starts out not-too-spoilery. You might want to move just the first paragraph out so that people can see your opening move.)
 
When i try to load up the save, it says i dont have en required DLC.. what is needed for this save ?
 
Could we please try to space these out about a week apart? I know its a good start on this one, but Diety is quite taxing on my poor brain.

Obviously it would be nice to get Petra here. You could even OCC turtle, hoard cash and buy your neighbors later on. So, early archer defense would be key. Sometimes when a start looks this good, there is great danger hidden just outside the fog.
 
I agree about spacing, although since the delay between the first and the second challenges was 2 weeks, it's ok, I guess. The bad part, I'm now tempted to play this one before the Byzantine, which is not fair. :D
budweiser said:
Sometimes when a start looks this good, there is great danger hidden just outside the fog.
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Yup. I'm afraid it comes down to whether you get Desert Folklore and Petra or not. On immortal I'd say there is a very high chance this game is over before it started, on deity you never know. From EEE_BOY's excitement I get the impression it's doable. We'll have to see.

I'll move the settler SE-E and the warrior NE first. If I find something totally amazing (and even more unrealistic :lol:) that justifies giving up on salt like food+faith wonder down in the fog, I'll settle on place. Otherwise will move NW-NE and settle on turn 3.


EEE_BOY, can you please add the DLC included and map settings to your OP?
And thanks for this fantastic looking start. If I get fired soon, it'll be on you. :D
 
BWS said:
Thanks, EEE_BOY! I can see why you were eager to post this one! :) This is a nice alternative for those of us (like me) who wiped out early on the Byzantine map. Maybe a little cheesy, but I could use a little cheese after the first two, ha. I'm torn on where to settle this one:
  • Southeast of the warrior, next to the mountains.
  • On the gold, next to the oasis.
  • In place, next to gold and salt.
Next to the mountain looks like a great spot for a one-city Petra science game. On the gold seems like a safer choice for a Tradition quad game. I don't want to read spoilers yet, but I'm curious what your opening strategy was. (Edit: OK, looks like your spoiler starts out not-too-spoilery. You might want to move just the first paragraph out so that people can see your opening move.)
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the spoilers inside the spoiler are for pictures which may be hard to load the webpage I guess. Nothing special on my strategy as I just go the way as the game plays out. Although that much desert I guess we can push the luck and aim desert folk lore :)

Johan^^ said:
When i try to load up the save, it says i dont have en required DLC.. what is needed for this save ?
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Sorry I think my DLCs are all ticked including WOTAW. I wasn't expecting to post this as deity challange in the first place.

I just want to try similar cavalry UU after my Russian Deity challenge partly succeed on the way to domination but unable to process the turn after a reload next day. So I picked Austria. But the map is so much fun and really want to share it.

@budweiser: I agree, but it is much better for me to post it as I can now sleep after sharing it. the burdenof fun is on you now;)
 
The Pilgrim said:
EEE_BOY, can you please add the DLC included and map settings to your OP?
And thanks for this fantastic looking start. If I get fired soon, it'll be on you. :D
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Done.

and I promise no more challenges from me. Only this time or long long time later:D

Edit: click the spoiler in the OP for UU introduction:)
 
Great with the games coming guys :). I have no time in weekends to play, and I will continue the diety 2 challange when I get time.

I have not tried this map at all so I really dont have a clue. But my humble guess is that austria on a desert will be quite a bit easier :).
 
Salt and gold and lots of desert?

Oh my...if Petra is possible, this start is insane.
If not, well, it's not so insane.

I love Austria, definitely one of my favorite civs.

And all DLC = :)
I like having every civ and the wonders pack :)
 
Wow, this start is amazing. I have a serious shortage of gaming time right now, but hopefully I can try this out. I'd probably settle on the gold (+2 gpt and immediate access to the oasis). Grass salt is a rare treat (4F, 1P, 1G with a mine -- yikes!).
 
Turn 102.

Spoiler :
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Certainly a great start location. The only thing i failed to develop was religion. I did throw in a shrine and few temples, but since no early alliance with Jerusalem was available, i missed founding a religion. Desert Folklore was snatched, so i went for +1 culture from pastures. Oh well, i think i'll keep accumulating faith per turn and will purchase a GP or two with it at some point.

Went 4 city tradition, NC at turn 81. Befriended most civs and sold them salts. No early army whatsoever, just a couple of warriors, archer and scout, which explored and killed few barb camps for quests.

By turn 100 i've accumulated 2k gold, so it was time for some peaceful puppeting :). Right now i am burdened with an army of 5 CBs, 9 pikes/spears an a catapult. No peaceful resolution is possible, i m afraid..
 
I need to start playing more aggressively. I didn't take detailed notes, but it looks like I'm going to lose to the tech leader in the mid-to-late 200s. I did a good job at diplomacy and religion in this game, but I simply did not expand far enough or fast enough to take advantage of this tasty start position. I thought it looked ideal for a one-city Petra science game, but then I missed Petra, Pisa, and Porcelain. First science wonder I actually pulled off was Hubble, and it's too little too late. The main satisfaction I've had in this game is a strong economy (mostly thanks to Tithes) and good policy timing (finished Oxford and Compass immediately before my 7th policy). Unfortunately, I haven't had money and an ally at the same time for diplomatic marriage.

I didn't replay challenge 2, because I felt that map knowledge was too spoilery for that one, but I might try this one again.
 
Well, this one is going to be interesting.

Spoiler :
Being isolated with a nice wall of mountains and CSes between us and the AI is just lovely.

I got my lux techs + writing to get a library in my cap and then beelined toward Currency. Egypt beat me to Petra by 6 or 7 turns i think. :mad:
They built it in their second city.

I got really lucky and got Desert Folklore, i think like the 5th or 6th Pantheon founded.
Eventually got my religion up and got Tithe + Pagodas. Taking my time to enhance; just bought a missionary to send to Quebec City as they want my religion and i want to marry them eventually. Will get the Great Prophet later.

I got four cities up in decent locations i think.
I married Lisbon, which was huge for me as they had a LOT of units; far larger military than i had.

Right at that time, Egypt was sending a settler to settle behind me up north.
I knew there was no way i'd be able to block him completely, and with all the units i just got from Lisbon, i decided it was war time.

I killed their settler, and took their spam city, Giza. Unfortunately it's going to be extremely difficult to deal with Alexandria without large losses, so not sure how well this war is going to go.

My biggest issue is unhappiness, and while i want to be able to marry Quebec City sooner than later, i'm really crippled with happiness issues (and have been pretty much all game).


t100 "People who like to smile the most"
Effing Deity, seriously. Look at that crap.
http://ense7en.com/pics/civ5/austria deity/2013-01-26_00011-0000.jpg

t107 finally hit Education (this isn't very good time is it?)
http://ense7en.com/pics/civ5/austria deity/2013-01-26_00012-0001.jpg

Did i mention France? They are completely running away with the game with like 20 cities and already in Renaissance for a while. And they are on the far opposite side of the landmass, so there's absolutely nothing i can do.
I'm quite positive they've already won this game. I might be able to hold off Egypt/Siam, but France is snowballing into an absolute monster.

t107 demographics
http://ense7en.com/pics/civ5/austria deity/2013-01-26_00013-0002.jpg

And what my empire looks like:
http://ense7en.com/pics/civ5/austria deity/2013-01-26_00015-0003.jpg
 
Update:
Spoiler :
Egypt science victory in turn 273. My neighbors Siam and Polynesia had been running away with the game, so I kept them busy fighting each other, which apparently allowed Ramesses to sneak in the win.

Post-loss save attached if anyone would like to analyze what I did wrong. :)
 

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Old Peter said:
I will continue the diety 2 challange when I get time.
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I will go back to Deity Challenges 1, 2, 3, which are all half-way :D

Dogmouth said:
I have a serious shortage of gaming time right now, but hopefully I can try this out.
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Looking forward to your strategy:)

Moriarte said:
Turn 102.

Spoiler :
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Certainly a great start location. The only thing i failed to develop was religion. I did throw in a shrine and few temples, but since no early alliance with Jerusalem was available, i missed founding a religion. Desert Folklore was snatched, so i went for +1 culture from pastures. Oh well, i think i'll keep accumulating faith per turn and will purchase a GP or two with it at some point.

Went 4 city tradition, NC at turn 81. Befriended most civs and sold them salts. No early army whatsoever, just a couple of warriors, archer and scout, which explored and killed few barb camps for quests.

By turn 100 i've accumulated 2k gold, so it was time for some peaceful puppeting :). Right now i am burdened with an army of 5 CBs, 9 pikes/spears an a catapult. No peaceful resolution is possible, i m afraid..
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I guess deity religion is really a variable with large discrepancy.:rolleyes:

I feel it's a hit or miss. If I missed a good faith generating patheon, I will forget religion altogether as there is no way I can compete with AI's great prophets spamming
Spoiler :
especially if Spain or Ethiopia is on the map.(but not)


Nice timing of NC :goodjob: did you buy libraries?

BWS said:
I need to start playing more aggressively. I didn't take detailed notes, but it looks like I'm going to lose to the tech leader in the mid-to-late 200s. I did a good job at diplomacy and religion in this game, but I simply did not expand far enough or fast enough to take advantage of this tasty start position. I thought it looked ideal for a one-city Petra science game, but then I missed Petra, Pisa, and Porcelain. First science wonder I actually pulled off was Hubble, and it's too little too late. The main satisfaction I've had in this game is a strong economy (mostly thanks to Tithes) and good policy timing (finished Oxford and Compass immediately before my 7th policy). Unfortunately, I haven't had money and an ally at the same time for diplomatic marriage.

I didn't replay challenge 2, because I felt that map knowledge was too spoilery for that one, but I might try this one again.
Click to expand...

I think I will replay deity challenge 2, as when you posted the save, it was mid-night, but I was so exciting to play, but then I completely forgot to tech writing:lol: and other silly mistakes:crazyeye:

ense7en said:
Well, this one is going to be interesting.

Spoiler :
Being isolated with a nice wall of mountains and CSes between us and the AI is just lovely.

I got my lux techs + writing to get a library in my cap and then beelined toward Currency. Egypt beat me to Petra by 6 or 7 turns i think. :mad:
They built it in their second city.

I got really lucky and got Desert Folklore, i think like the 5th or 6th Pantheon founded.
Eventually got my religion up and got Tithe + Pagodas. Taking my time to enhance; just bought a missionary to send to Quebec City as they want my religion and i want to marry them eventually. Will get the Great Prophet later.

I got four cities up in decent locations i think.
I married Lisbon, which was huge for me as they had a LOT of units; far larger military than i had.

Right at that time, Egypt was sending a settler to settle behind me up north.
I knew there was no way i'd be able to block him completely, and with all the units i just got from Lisbon, i decided it was war time.

I killed their settler, and took their spam city, Giza. Unfortunately it's going to be extremely difficult to deal with Alexandria without large losses, so not sure how well this war is going to go.

My biggest issue is unhappiness, and while i want to be able to marry Quebec City sooner than later, i'm really crippled with happiness issues (and have been pretty much all game).


t100 "People who like to smile the most"
Effing Deity, seriously. Look at that crap.
http://ense7en.com/pics/civ5/austria deity/2013-01-26_00011-0000.jpg

t107 finally hit Education (this isn't very good time is it?)
http://ense7en.com/pics/civ5/austria deity/2013-01-26_00012-0001.jpg

Did i mention France? They are completely running away with the game with like 20 cities and already in Renaissance for a while. And they are on the far opposite side of the landmass, so there's absolutely nothing i can do.
I'm quite positive they've already won this game. I might be able to hold off Egypt/Siam, but France is snowballing into an absolute monster.

t107 demographics
http://ense7en.com/pics/civ5/austria deity/2013-01-26_00013-0002.jpg

And what my empire looks like:
http://ense7en.com/pics/civ5/austria deity/2013-01-26_00015-0003.jpg
Click to expand...

In my normal play I will completely forget wonders, except maybe Oracle or some late era one with faith purchased GE. I don't like the sound of converting production into cash:blush:

Spoiler :
It seems this map didn't fail to challenge us in this regard :lol: Petra is like a lottery


I think your timing at Education is good :goodjob:, if I were you in your case I will buy a few univerisities, but I didn't in my play.

About happiness and lux selling, I feel it has three stages:
Initially, I will sell all lux ASAP to get cash for settlers, workers, libraries or upgrade.
Once the first wave comes back, or even before that, I will grab AI's spare lux with my multiple-copy for the mid phase growth.
The last stage depends on warring or peaceful, if warring I will trade in all lux or even buy lux using gold per turn, as my money will come from city capture and pilliaging.

Spoiler :
Didn't get the happiness founder belief hurts in your case


ALso don't forget Austria's UB to boost production, which can be built on hill cities.
Spoiler :
It comes late so maybe late era domination will be easier to kill France?
 
t127
Things are looking better and much worse at the same time.

Spoiler :
Could not take Alexandria.
It went up to 34 defense...i was losing a unit each turn and couldn't dent it.

So i retreated, thinking i could retry with Crossbows.

I married Quebec City.

Universities done and specialists slotted in all my main cities, so science has picked up.

But happiness is still an issue, and with all the units i got from Quebec City now GPT is negative.

I hate to delete units, but i think i need to.
I have a ton of units i need to upgrade and no GPT.

Egypt won't give peace, and Siam has the biggest military, right beside me.

France has almost finished wiping out Sweden; they have one crap city left.

Game is pretty much over simply due to France.
I don't think i'm doing too badly; actually probably one of my best Deity games (considering i usually do not even survive very long), but with my inability to even capture Egypt's cities or get peace from them, i don't see this going anywhere.
There's the fact i'm 12% behind France in tech too...

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