spaceman98
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Moderator Action: Please use this thread for random philosophical discussions that don't belong elsewhere.
Since there's no better way to spend the time procrastinating on homework than to write semi-philosophical rants in the signup threads of mafia games, I give you this. Enjoy! Or ignore! :
Since there's no better way to spend the time procrastinating on homework than to write semi-philosophical rants in the signup threads of mafia games, I give you this. Enjoy! Or ignore! :
Spoiler random philosophy/procrastination from me :
Why is being the villain fun? Well, first, heroes often absorb the morality of those societies that wrote the stories, and most story-writing societies throughout history weren't particularly nice/moral places, so half the time, the villains, once you dig into the story a bit, are actually better than, or equal to the heroes. Case in point: In the ghostbusters, the "heroes" are willing to bring eternal and cruel imprisonment upon ghosts, without a trial, without a lawyer, without a real effort to communicate or negotiate. Sure, it may be justified some times (Gozer clearly wasn't interested in peace), but many of the ghosts they doom to eternity in prison at the start did little wrong compared to the punishment levied upon them in response.
The second reason is one of narrative structure. The heroes, in general, get their victories and defeats handed to them. When they win, its because of blatant deus ex machina's like Gandalf's resurrection, when they lose, its because of absurdly overwhelming forces from the villains, and its only temporary. Villains have to work for their victories. Ever notice in superhero comics, the heroes got their cool powers because a spider stung them, or because of radiation, or because of some Soviet supper-soldier liquid. The villains have their powers because they worked to build humongous mechs and corporate empires, or Dr.Oc's arms, etc. Sure there are exceptions, like Batman (who I can rant about infinitely in a separate analysis) but the rule holds outside of superhero comics. Why is the droideka the most awesome thing in star wars, ever? Because its a product of intelligent effort that successfully counters jedi, while Jedi mostly have their abilities because of an inborn trait (sure they train, but as Luke's story shows, little training is really necessary). While the star wars heroes, with a few exceptions, avoid getting shot, the star wars villains often get shot, fried and destroyed, only to come back, because of excellent engineering (the Vader suit, general grievous, etc.), though I have to give the producer some credit here, Luke also injured in battle and is saved by cybernetics augmentation. As I have said, the Star Wars original series is one place where the heroes have won me over to their side, and there are a few others, but overall, the above rant holds.
The second reason is one of narrative structure. The heroes, in general, get their victories and defeats handed to them. When they win, its because of blatant deus ex machina's like Gandalf's resurrection, when they lose, its because of absurdly overwhelming forces from the villains, and its only temporary. Villains have to work for their victories. Ever notice in superhero comics, the heroes got their cool powers because a spider stung them, or because of radiation, or because of some Soviet supper-soldier liquid. The villains have their powers because they worked to build humongous mechs and corporate empires, or Dr.Oc's arms, etc. Sure there are exceptions, like Batman (who I can rant about infinitely in a separate analysis) but the rule holds outside of superhero comics. Why is the droideka the most awesome thing in star wars, ever? Because its a product of intelligent effort that successfully counters jedi, while Jedi mostly have their abilities because of an inborn trait (sure they train, but as Luke's story shows, little training is really necessary). While the star wars heroes, with a few exceptions, avoid getting shot, the star wars villains often get shot, fried and destroyed, only to come back, because of excellent engineering (the Vader suit, general grievous, etc.), though I have to give the producer some credit here, Luke also injured in battle and is saved by cybernetics augmentation. As I have said, the Star Wars original series is one place where the heroes have won me over to their side, and there are a few others, but overall, the above rant holds.