KaNick
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I certanly think so. I believe it is immoral to simply send someone else off to die for your beliefs. If you truely believe war is nescesary, you should take part in that war even if you are only a cook.
Should Pro War People be Made to Enlist?
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Desmond Hawkins
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I basically agree. Who is anyone to tell someone else to go die for their cause, if they themselves are not willing to.
The Last Conformist
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While the idea has some philosophical attractiveness, the practical issues makes it unfit for anything beyond scoring points in political discussions over a few beers.
shadowdude
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CheersThe Last Conformist said:
SeleucusNicator
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While its a nice emotional argument that is sure to get cheers from the anti-war crowd, its not really all that practical.
Our military is a volunteer force. It draws much of its strength from the fact that it is composed of people who both want to be there and are fit for service there. A great many people who, idealogically, would be in full support of a war may not have the necessary mental or physical fitness to be able to contribute to the war as a solider, or even the culinary skills to contribute to it as a cook or the coordination to contribute to it as a janitor on an army base.
Moreover, many of those people may be far more useful to the United States in their usual function; doctors, lawyers, garbagemen, politicans, students, police officers, teachers, or simply just taxpayers.
Our military is a volunteer force. It draws much of its strength from the fact that it is composed of people who both want to be there and are fit for service there. A great many people who, idealogically, would be in full support of a war may not have the necessary mental or physical fitness to be able to contribute to the war as a solider, or even the culinary skills to contribute to it as a cook or the coordination to contribute to it as a janitor on an army base.
Moreover, many of those people may be far more useful to the United States in their usual function; doctors, lawyers, garbagemen, politicans, students, police officers, teachers, or simply just taxpayers.
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It wouldn't necessarily work, because the army would be better to just leave some guy in a wheelchair at home, that desparately wants to jump out of a plane and go gung ho on some enemies.
SeleucusNicator
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Sobieski II said:
By volunteering, a soldier has basically stated that he is absolutely okay with risking his life for the sake of others.
King Alexander
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Not only I agree with you, KaNick, but I'd add: every politician who claims himself to proud of his country and be a good patriot, if he DIDN'T go to the army as normal citizens went, he should be called a COWARD, and UNWORTHY to be voted.KaNick said:
SeleucusNicator
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Azadre said:
So I take it you're going to be on the next flight to Iraq to join your buddy al-Sadr and take up arms against the Americans?
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@SeleucusNicator
That might make you fell better when some poor shmuck that joined for the money as his only way to go to college, gets shot in the face for some sham of a war to make someone else rich, but it doesn't do it for me.
Anyways, I personally think that people should be at least "truly willing" to go, if they are pro-war, whether they actually go or not. Since this is impossible to measure, the point is moot anyways.
That is why I said "basically". I meant that I agree with the concept of people being willing to go if they are pro-war, but not forcing them to enlist.
That might make you fell better when some poor shmuck that joined for the money as his only way to go to college, gets shot in the face for some sham of a war to make someone else rich, but it doesn't do it for me.
Anyways, I personally think that people should be at least "truly willing" to go, if they are pro-war, whether they actually go or not. Since this is impossible to measure, the point is moot anyways.
That is why I said "basically". I meant that I agree with the concept of people being willing to go if they are pro-war, but not forcing them to enlist.
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It's funny how some can pour mockery and scorn on the anti-war freaks,
but still try to look justified while chickening out of their own warlike convictions!
@War-fans:
Just say you would join up, and stop being pitiable!
What a laugh!
And yes, I would put bibles in a shredder, I stick up for my views!
but still try to look justified while chickening out of their own warlike convictions!
@War-fans:
Just say you would join up, and stop being pitiable!
What a laugh!
And yes, I would put bibles in a shredder, I stick up for my views!
shadowdude
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Who's chickening out? I would goCurtSibling said:It's funny how some can pour mockery and scorn on the anti-war freaks,
but still try to look justified while chickening out of their own warlike convictions!
@War-fans:
Just say you would join up, and stop being pitiable!
What a laugh!
And yes, I would put bibles in a shredder, I stick up for my views!
Direct attack, eh? You conservatives will never learn. I am not Iraqi, and I could care less about al-Sadr. He isn't even the most popular Shiaa cleric in Iraq. But if there was a war in the middle east I did care about I would be over there.SeleucusNicator said:
antiwar = prefers conflict avoidance towards resolution.
patriot = accepts conflict towards resolution in favor of one's nation.
prowar = accepts conflict of others in one's nation towards resolution in favor of oneself.
It really makes no sense to force prowar individuals into conflict. That is not what they volounteered for, nor is it what they believe. We live in a democracy, and should not infringe upon their freedoms.
patriot = accepts conflict towards resolution in favor of one's nation.
prowar = accepts conflict of others in one's nation towards resolution in favor of oneself.
It really makes no sense to force prowar individuals into conflict. That is not what they volounteered for, nor is it what they believe. We live in a democracy, and should not infringe upon their freedoms.
KaNick
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SeleucusNicator said:
It is a volunteer force until the draft is enacted, then people who are against the war are forced to die for it. I am only proposing that the people who truely think we should fight should do just that. Of course people who are not capable should not be made to fight.
Right now we are begining to have a shortage of soldiers in Iraq. They are not re-enlisting because they do not feel the cause is worth their life. If more people who want their nation to go to war actually went there would be less war. It is easy to say that war is needed, especially after a session of civ, but do you really realize what is at stake?!
I suggest that we make pro war people go to war so that only truely nescesary wars are fought.
SeleucusNicator
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Azadre said:
I never accused you of being Iraqi; indeed, you are the one making false accusations. I am not a conservative and will not tolerate being called one.
Regardless, if you continue to argue in favor of pro-war persons joining the wars they support, I will gently remind you of this every time you make a statement that is supportive of any anti-American military resistance anywhere. If you do not retract your earlier statement and you are not taking part in the resistance you give lip service to, I will make the wholy justified claim that you are being hypocritical.
Deal?
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