Term 2 - Province of Bohemia

neutral leader · Oct 1, 2002

this is the new thread that i promised all of you. lets try to make it productive, to wit, please do not challenge my abstain decision. i do not want to be forced to post off-topic.

this is the current build queue,
bavaria - archer, archer, archer, warrior, warrior.

valhalla - worker, granary, settler.

morgana - barracks, spearman, swordsman

term 1 thread can be found at: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31196&pagenumber=1 (sorry shaitan)

city of bavaria thread can be found at: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31559&perpage=20&display=&pagenumber=2 (sorry dis)

Eklektikos · Oct 1, 2002

A granary placed in the Bavaria build queue would delay the construction of the strike force to the point that it would become redundant. I request that you reconsider this change in particular, and also that you start a discussion thread about these queues in the citizen forum. That's if you haven't already done so while I've been sitting here criticising

GenMarshall · Oct 1, 2002

Originally posted by Eklektikos
A granary placed in the Bavaria build queue would delay the construction of the strike force to the point that it would become redundant. I request that you reconsider this change in particular, and also that you start a discussion thread about these queues in the citizen forum. That's if you haven't already done so while I've been sitting here criticising

I would have to agree with Eklektikos. Speeking from a Millitary Leader's point of view, this would totaly slow down our millitary growth.The barracks and Swordsmen can be built on "The city on iron city". Since I am going by the original plan that I have suggested in the Term 1 - Bohemia provance. Here are the reasons to build a barrack in "iron hill city"

1. We can upgrade our warriors produced from Barvaria or Valhalla (I strongly recomend Barvaria since it is much closer

) at a cheaper cost that building a swordsmen from scratch.

2. Its much faster and efficiant.

Neutral Leader I strongly suggest building warriors in Barvaria so that they can be cheaply upgraded to swordsmen in "Iron Hill City"

Octavian X · Oct 1, 2002

Also, please not that unless President Eklektikos wishes to name the iron hill city 'Morgana,' that the name for the third city is incorrect.

In addition, I support the Valhalla build queue, though U believe the Bavaria should focus more on military production instead of growth.

Chieftess · Oct 1, 2002

Why a granary in Bavaria if you're not going to build settlers/workers? The higher its' pop, the hard it is to keep the people happy (higher luxs, or more entertainers). Either way, it would hamper any development by cutting back on gpt and production (side effect of specialists).

Cyc · Oct 2, 2002

This is true, NL. At this point in its growth, Bavaraia has all the food it needs. Building a granary will over-complicate the basic strategies we have planned out. I believe (and I could be wrong) that the build queues were set at optimum selections according to the will of the people, through discussion threads.

Plexus · Oct 2, 2002

i do agree with some parts of these queues. Here are my suggestions:

Bavaria - settler, warrior, warrior (warriors to be sent to City X* to be upgraded to swordsmen [credit to civ general])

Valhalla - worker, granary, settler

City X* - barracks, spearman, swordsman

(ok, I admit I am a tad bit settler crazy but there is a method to my madness, I promise)

It is all very simple: More settlers= More cities= More Land= More resources= Better military= Victory over Aztecs

*City X is to be built on the iron hill if I'm not mistaken

Shaitan · Oct 2, 2002

Please place a link to the term 1 thread in the first post of this thread.

neutral leader · Oct 2, 2002

i hear all your concerns, but hear me out:

eklektikos, the fact of the matter is, military power simply is not a priority of my administration. due to its necessity i will insert some military items, but they will always be a back seat part of the queues. also, why cant the citizens discuss the issue here?

civgeneral, i did include a barracks at "iron hill city" its the first thing in that queue

ct, my theory is simple, more population=more tiles worked=more money=more science not to mention =more production=more wonders, improvements, troops, etc.

cyc, i answered you above i think

plexus, i think changing those archers to warriors would be just fine

p.s. i am also aware that i need to appoint some mayors:

1. what do they do, since i post queues, worker management, and tile improvements?

2. would anyone like to volunteer? i will start a thread for your applications in the citizens forum

Zarn · Oct 2, 2002

Do we have an official build queue, yet?

Eklektikos · Oct 2, 2002

Neutral Leader, the fact of the matter is that both you and I are bound to follow the will of the people in our ingame actions, and the build queues that were developed under Cyc's brief leadership of the Domestic Dept. seem to be a more convincing representation of that will, due to the extensive citizen discussion that went into their formulation. Your queues, on the other hand, have been subject to very little discussion and so far there is not a single voice supporting the insertion of the granary into the Bavarian queue. If there had been extensive prior discussion of this, and if through that discussion and perhaps even subsequent polling (although I acknowledge that there has not been time for the latter) you were able to demonstrate that your queues had public approval then I wouldn't question their validity, but as you have not been able to do so I do not think that they should be implemented as they currently stand.

neutral leader · Oct 3, 2002

well eklektikos, you do have a point. the will of the people is in the end the most important mandate of a statesman. we will proceed with the old queues. as they near completion, i will begin the construction and discussion of their successors.

disorganizer · Oct 3, 2002

neutra leader:

please include a link to the thread of the city bavaria into your first posts:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=472877#post472877

please also change your first posts to reflect you dont change the build queue of bavaria.

i also started discussion on the bavarian build queues.

disorganizer
lord mayor of bavaria.

neutral leader · Oct 3, 2002

eyrei · Oct 3, 2002

Originally posted by neutral leader

eklektikos, the fact of the matter is, military power simply is not a priority of my administration. due to its necessity i will insert some military items, but they will always be a back seat part of the queues. also, why cant the citizens discuss the issue here?

civgeneral, i did include a barracks at "iron hill city" its the first thing in that queue

Just a warning (and not a moderator one

): Both eklektikos and civgeneral outrank you in a way. The less cooperative you are now, the more likely they are going to simply seize control of your build queues when war breaks out. Also, we are going to get slaughtered if we do not start building a military immediately.

Octavian X · Oct 3, 2002

Also, please remember that the council may override any queues you make through vote. If you wish to carry out these actions, the very least you should do is start to convince us why we should.

Plexus · Oct 3, 2002

I think we need a lot of convincing before we will let you go through with this queue... please change it or tell us why it should stay...

neutral leader · Oct 4, 2002

apparently, some people missed that the old queues will now be staying in place until they expire.

eyrei, eklektikos and civgeneral will override me in the event of a conflict anyway, all the more reason to put through my civil agenda while the constitution does not allow unilateral interference.

Eklektikos · Oct 4, 2002

To be honest I would prefer never to have to override you in any instance, NL, and as long as Bohemia's queues reflect the will of the majority I will not attempt to do so. The catch being that in times of conflict you'll likely have a very hard time convincing people that they don't want to prioritise military production, so will find that you have no choice but to build units, etc.

Just for the record, the President cannot take unilateral action to change a build queue, but has to call a council vote to do so.

eyrei · Oct 4, 2002

Originally posted by neutral leader
apparently, some people missed that the old queues will now be staying in place until they expire.

eyrei, eklektikos and civgeneral will override me in the event of a conflict anyway, all the more reason to put through my civil agenda while the constitution does not allow unilateral interference.

As our president kind of said, it would be preferable for you to post build queues that will not require overrides to secure the safety of the nation.

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