The rebirth of the MEM

1. Im happy to announce that Embryodead will be working on the Medieval Europe mod from now on. Thanks dude

2. I will still keep connection with the mod, though since embryo is taking the big task he will have the final word in matters of modding.

3. This thread will be working as the new MEM workshop.

4. Lets all salute embryo for he is taking alot of work on his bag, two mods is much!

This is a great day

*yay* dose that mean he will be makeing units for the mod, and if so, may I contribute ideas?

I dont know you have to ask embryo but no fantasy units please. The MEM is not intended to be a "what if" scenario.

I know, I know- there a great many more historical units I can ask for (and most of them arnt even Roman, or Byzantine!- though mind I said most, not all of them )

That's great news

This sounds like good news!

Yeah, good to know we get a new medieval mod

Yes, good news. Albeit it will be a heavy workload on embro's shoulders !

I have no plans for historical units, though I'll probably make some leaderheads.

leaderheads

Here is list of civs with leaderheads (not actual leaders of course):
England - C3C William
Scotland - Robert Bruce
Celts(*) - gael's King of Stathclyde
France - Joan
Germany - Otto
Burgundy - Medieval Alexander
Castile - PTW Isabella
Aragón - utah's Spanian
Portugal - C3C Henry
Tuscany - C3C Charles
Venetia - Medieval Ceasar
Sicily - gael's Norman
Bohemia - Medieval Brennus
Poland - Piernik's Casimir
Teutons - my Karl-Franz
Denmark - PTW Ragnar
Sweden - Medieval Hannibal
Novgorod - gael's King of Connacht
Kievan Rus - my Zoltan
Lithuania - gael's King of Wessex
Hungary - utah's Stephan the Holy
Bulgaria - my Barbarian
Byzantines - C3C Theodora
Turks - PTW Osman
Armenia - gael's King of Powys
Mongols - PTW Temujin
Abbasids - PTW Abu Bakr
Sassanids - Medieval Xerxes
Saracens - Ancient C3C Mursilis
Almohads - Medieval C3C Gilgamesh
Moors - Medieval C3C Mursilis

* - I think starting just before crusades in the Levant will offer more attractive gameplay ie. with VP scoring like in c3c conquest. This is of course discussable... Celts were the first choice to replace Levant. They may start in Ireland, or have cities pre-placed in Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

One leaderhead is duplicated, so making a leaderhead for Saracens or Moors is priority. Then maybe Armenia and Bulgars. I'm not sure if they will be made after any specific leaders, but I'll try to use proper clothing, backgrounds etc.

map/resources

Currently using large europe, with correct swamps/volcanos, some sea/ocean adjustments, no warhorses (I didn't like the idea), but with "game" back. I also added salt in baltic and mediterranean (works as a bonus resource in this case), and turned gold from luxury to bonus (salt, wine etc. really made people lives better, but did gold? it's just wealth. there seemed to be too much luxuries too). Added Wool in Wales and Ireland and similiar minor changes. Now, feel free to put these down...

embryo are you sure it would be a good idea to remove Outremer? The crusades had a big impact on the middle age, and I think its important they are representet.

Of course crusades should be represented, but I think ideas circling around Jerusalem as VP will be more interesting than one crusader civ put already as a victor which may as well never fight with neighboring arabs.

why not let the crusades be what they are- a bunch of Germanic kingdoms sending troops into the levant, no need IMO to represetn them as a civ all there own

Originally posted by embryodead
Of course crusades should be represented, but I think ideas circling around Jerusalem as VP will be more interesting than one crusader civ put already as a victor which may as well never fight with neighboring arabs.

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well thats a pretty good point

BTW in a scenario with populated Europe, taking place after Pope's independence grant, Hospitalers should of course be a civ, probably in locked alliances with Germanic kingdoms so that there is both troops sending and Order fully estabilished in Levant.

Originally posted by Xen
why not let the crusades be what they are- a bunch of Germanic kingdoms sending troops into the levant, no need IMO to represetn them as a civ all there own

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There were not only Germanic kingdoms. Many came from France.

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There were not only Germanic kingdoms. Many came from France.

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But wasn't France considdered a germanic kingdom by that time?

No, it wasn't. During crusade, France was independant, although a lot smaller that it is now, as many of the king's lieges were stronger than him.

However, muslims in the Holy land often called the crusader "Franks". One of the first crusades was lead, among others, by Raymond IV, count of Toulouse, in the SW of France.
The Templar Knights were founded by a French monk.

Originally posted by Steph
However, muslims in the Holy land often called the crusader "Franks". One of the first crusades was lead, among others, by Raymond IV, count of Toulouse, in the SW of France.
The Templar Knights were founded by a French monk.

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But the Franks were a germanic term. I know they werent germanic in reality, but afaik their royalty was still considdered germanic.

"Germanic" or "Western" or "Latin" or "Frankish" are various epithets used by the Byzantines of the Crusades timeframe to describe all the western states, from Venice to France and from HRE to Castille.

And Franks are Germanic. We shouldn't forget that. Franks are one of the Germanic tribes and they have close ethnological ties with most of the other Germanic people.

Don't confuse Germanic with Deutsch - those we call "Germans"

Muslims had contact with especially two western civs : Byzantines and Crusaders.
The first they called Rum (reference to old Rome, hence the Seldjukids of Rûm).
The others they often called "Faranj" or "Falanj" for Franks. Does not mean these were all (and only) French. Actually the "Franks" became famous for s strange reason. Many of the crusaders, especially during the first one, were Normans. But since these Normans had settled in Normandy before expanding to other areas, they got the name Franks (which itself was of the long gone tradition of the Frank Empire which itself was of Germanic origin but French was truly independant after 888 so a century before the Crusades). So these Normans, French by "adoption" (a wild adoption BTW) and who spread to Sicily and Southern Italy (ex Bohemond of Tarentium) started to "represent" the Catholic powers. Numerous during the First Crusade, they created as well the small Norman kingdoms of Greece afer the sack of Constantinople. If you add to that the fact many of the other first crusaders were of other French areas (such as Toulouse) you should get the complete picture.