Term 5 - Ministry of Finance and Labor
- Thread starter Rik Meleet
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This is our financial situation in 1430 AD.
The GPT is healthy, but the amount of cash is limited. That means not many cashrush requests can be honored.
Please post your cashrush-requests here. The Minister of F and L will assess them.
The GPT is healthy, but the amount of cash is limited. That means not many cashrush requests can be honored.
Please post your cashrush-requests here. The Minister of F and L will assess them.
In 1430 AD we have 51 workers and 72 slaves.
Big projects ahead of us:
- Railing the nation.
- Improving the tiles in our newly acquired lands.
Future projects:
- Assist the troops in conquering our enemies.
- Polution clean-up.
- Clear jungle, reforest the tundra's
You can post your labor requests in this thread.
Free the slaves !!
Big projects ahead of us:
- Railing the nation.
- Improving the tiles in our newly acquired lands.
Future projects:
- Assist the troops in conquering our enemies.
- Polution clean-up.
- Clear jungle, reforest the tundra's
You can post your labor requests in this thread.
Free the slaves !!
I regret having to disagree again.Originally posted by Rik Meleet
The GPT is healthy, .....
When I look at the situation, I see things different.- We loose about 40% of the city income to corruption. That is A LOT for a commercial civ. I would be ashamed, if this would be my solo-game.
- If we loose the 461gpt we get from Persia, we run a deficit of -164gpt at 80% research. Bad.
Build courthouses NOW in:
City of the Damned
Exile (granary is stupid stupid!)
Mill Valley
Red Sky
Terminus
New Edessa
TBC
The White City
Wyfurd
Build markets NOW in:
Anwerp (after library)
Bootsville
Fallsong of Sentienne
Grand Bricolage
Grindelwald
Liebling (after library)
Mure
Mr. Roger's Neiberhood
New Edessa (after courthouse)
Oldenburg
Stop/don't start improvement builds in cities hopelessly lost to corruption; build workers, artillery, and create specialists:
Amber
Arterus
Avon Nova
Azura's Star
Berlingueria
Brieux
Broussard
Caesarea
Camelot
Desolatem
Finklewink
Frickmenstein
Gypsie
Inveltorvich
Jedina
Kazas
Las Cannibales
Nea Romana
New Gondoloin
New Transvaal
Norwich
Oleby
Paalsville
PDX III
Regent Town
Russka
Salzburg
Sandy
Stavanger
St. Broussard
Tabita
Taylorpolis
Tiriolo
Vanspuur
Wainuiomata
Woodridge
Other recommended builds:
Almaren: harbor
Antilia: library (get the whales)
Happy City: harbor (more food from whales, upgrade/heal ships)
Steal this City: library, market
This should improve our cash situation by at least +100gpt. Let's see whether the governors are smart enough to agree ....
I expect the Minister for Finance and Labor to work with/on the governors.
PS: Vandelay will finish Wall Street next turn. Thus it is advisable to have a treasury of 1000g to earn another 50gpt interest.
Edit: sorted lists alphabetically
Current financial situation:
Zulu's pay us 49 gpt for the next 5 turns.
Greece: no ongoing deals.
Persia pay us 30 gpt for dyes, can be ended immediately.
Persia pay us 116 gpt for the next 5 turns.
Persia pay us 315 gpt for the next 17 turns.
Aztecs: no ongoing deals.
Egypt: no ongoing deals.
England: no ongoing deals.
Summarise:
We can loose 30 gpt immediately.
We can loose 165 gpt in 5 turns.
We can loose 315 gpt in 17 turns.
So, as long as the Persian deal continues; we aren't going in the negative.
Zulu's pay us 49 gpt for the next 5 turns.
Greece: no ongoing deals.
Persia pay us 30 gpt for dyes, can be ended immediately.
Persia pay us 116 gpt for the next 5 turns.
Persia pay us 315 gpt for the next 17 turns.
Aztecs: no ongoing deals.
Egypt: no ongoing deals.
England: no ongoing deals.
Summarise:
We can loose 30 gpt immediately.
We can loose 165 gpt in 5 turns.
We can loose 315 gpt in 17 turns.
So, as long as the Persian deal continues; we aren't going in the negative.
I request 12-20 native workers (or their equivalent foreign workers - captured workers included) to be transported onto the Greek island for railnet building. This will help us speed up our attack on Athens.
@ tao. I am not the controller of buildqueues. I can authorise cashrushes, if they are requested in this thread.
@ chieftess: I will instruct the shipment of those workers to the Greece-lands.
@ chieftess: I will instruct the shipment of those workers to the Greece-lands.
donsig
Low level intermediary
We in the great province of Norwich would like to know if there are any funds available for rushing courthouses or agueducts in our poor province. Rather than just ask for all kinds of things we can never hope to get is it possible for you to give us an idea how much (if any) gold we might be able to spend in Norwich? Given some sort of budget we could decide which specific city improvement(s) to request.
Thank you for your time,
donsig
Governor of Norwich
PS: I hope my acting as prosecutor in the CC against you will not reflect badly on Norwich.
Thank you for your time,
donsig
Governor of Norwich
PS: I hope my acting as prosecutor in the CC against you will not reflect badly on Norwich.
Minister,
since your office is new, you start with a clean sheet and may want to establish some rules for people asking for money. A good point might be to always ask them what we (Fantica) gain from spending money hard-earned by the citizens.
Example:
If we spend 380 gold on hurrying an aqueduct, what is the return on investment? When will we see an actual profit (i.e. make more than 380 gold) on it? Will it actuall cause harm if we don't spend the money (i.e. delaying attacks if we don't upgrade or high risk of city flips). What are the alternatives? (i.e. wouldn't it be better to build a settler and found another city?)
regards
tao
since your office is new, you start with a clean sheet and may want to establish some rules for people asking for money. A good point might be to always ask them what we (Fantica) gain from spending money hard-earned by the citizens.
Example:
If we spend 380 gold on hurrying an aqueduct, what is the return on investment? When will we see an actual profit (i.e. make more than 380 gold) on it? Will it actuall cause harm if we don't spend the money (i.e. delaying attacks if we don't upgrade or high risk of city flips). What are the alternatives? (i.e. wouldn't it be better to build a settler and found another city?)
regards
tao
Donovan Zoi
The Return
Great news, Rik Meleet!
In the first of my many decrees to deal with the rampant corruption that plagues my province of Nihilon, I will be selling all four Banks that fall under my juridiction. This action will net us 80 gold total(20g apiece).
For the moment, I would like to request a rush of a Courthouse in the city of Wyfurd for 32 gold. I am also considering a Granary rush or two, but am still weighing the pros and cons of these actions.
Respectfully,
Donovan Zoi
Governor of Nihilon
In the first of my many decrees to deal with the rampant corruption that plagues my province of Nihilon, I will be selling all four Banks that fall under my juridiction. This action will net us 80 gold total(20g apiece).
For the moment, I would like to request a rush of a Courthouse in the city of Wyfurd for 32 gold. I am also considering a Granary rush or two, but am still weighing the pros and cons of these actions.
Respectfully,
Donovan Zoi
Governor of Nihilon
@ Governor Donovan Zoi.
Selling the banks in the preturn nets us 80 gold + 4gpt for reduced maintanance cost. I think it's only fair this money is returned to Nihilon. Perhaps not immediately all of it, but in due time (when our funds have risen a bit). I do approve the cashrush of a courthouse in Wyfurd. I just hope it will pay for it's own upkeep, but if not you still gain us 3gpt. Granary-cashrush-requests are not approved (yet).
I am not seeing the benefit for granaries in your province yet. Perhaps when we know Sanitation.
@ Minister Chieftess. I take your request as "After we know what 'transports' are I request to upgrade our 10 galleons to 'transports'; 2 every turn, costing us 160 gpt (for 5 turns) thus 800 gold". I absolutely see the need for this, but the floor of the treasury-chest is visible. If we have 1000+ gold or 200+ gpt when we learn Combustion I approve the upgrade of 2 galleons a turn. If we have 500+ gold or 100+ gpt I approve 1 per turn. If we have less; we must upgrade 1 galleon each other turn. We'll talk about this again 10 turns from now.
@ Governor Donsig. I hold no grudge against you; I chose you as my VP because you follow the lines of the law so tightly. I expected you to CC and to prosecute me. I would have been disappointed if you hadn't.
For Norwich-province I have very little funds. Courthouses aren't worth the money and labor-time spend on it. At this moment in time Norwich's only real valluable product (besides it's 1 wine and Oil) is food. Aquaducts, harbors, to a lesser extent granaries and especially workers are the thing Norwich can help our nation with. In an irrigation-project more can be gained from Norwich. If Governor Donovan Zoi has kindled an idea in your head (Desolatem has a bank), that will net you 20 gold + 1 gpt. I give you 60 gold for cashrushes. So you can make 80 gold + 1 gpt if you follow DZ's line of thinking.
@ Governor tao: It's the Minister of Finance and Labor's task to assess the investments and the return-on-investments.
I do agree that citizens/officials who back their requests with arguments have a bigger chance of a bigger slice of the pie.
@ all: I am sorry we have so little funds. What we don't have, we can't spend. If you want more next turn, push your officials for a higher tax-slider-setting or increased revenues from trades.
Selling the banks in the preturn nets us 80 gold + 4gpt for reduced maintanance cost. I think it's only fair this money is returned to Nihilon. Perhaps not immediately all of it, but in due time (when our funds have risen a bit). I do approve the cashrush of a courthouse in Wyfurd. I just hope it will pay for it's own upkeep, but if not you still gain us 3gpt. Granary-cashrush-requests are not approved (yet).
I am not seeing the benefit for granaries in your province yet. Perhaps when we know Sanitation.
@ Minister Chieftess. I take your request as "After we know what 'transports' are I request to upgrade our 10 galleons to 'transports'; 2 every turn, costing us 160 gpt (for 5 turns) thus 800 gold". I absolutely see the need for this, but the floor of the treasury-chest is visible. If we have 1000+ gold or 200+ gpt when we learn Combustion I approve the upgrade of 2 galleons a turn. If we have 500+ gold or 100+ gpt I approve 1 per turn. If we have less; we must upgrade 1 galleon each other turn. We'll talk about this again 10 turns from now.
@ Governor Donsig. I hold no grudge against you; I chose you as my VP because you follow the lines of the law so tightly. I expected you to CC and to prosecute me. I would have been disappointed if you hadn't.
For Norwich-province I have very little funds. Courthouses aren't worth the money and labor-time spend on it. At this moment in time Norwich's only real valluable product (besides it's 1 wine and Oil) is food. Aquaducts, harbors, to a lesser extent granaries and especially workers are the thing Norwich can help our nation with. In an irrigation-project more can be gained from Norwich. If Governor Donovan Zoi has kindled an idea in your head (Desolatem has a bank), that will net you 20 gold + 1 gpt. I give you 60 gold for cashrushes. So you can make 80 gold + 1 gpt if you follow DZ's line of thinking.
@ Governor tao: It's the Minister of Finance and Labor's task to assess the investments and the return-on-investments.
I do agree that citizens/officials who back their requests with arguments have a bigger chance of a bigger slice of the pie.
@ all: I am sorry we have so little funds. What we don't have, we can't spend. If you want more next turn, push your officials for a higher tax-slider-setting or increased revenues from trades.
yes, I meant a rush for an upgrade.
@Rik - Here's a suggestion - make a budget thread in the government forum (in previous demogames, this was stickied), or, use the first/second post in this thread for the current budget information, and update it each time you accept a "budget request" (that being rushes, upgrades, trades involving gold and/or gpt, etc.).
donsig
Low level intermediary
Dear Minister,
I have posted instructions to sell the bank in Desolatem. I would like to use the funds generated from this sale, plus the 60g you offered earlier, to rush the temple in Almaren on turn five of the upcoming game play session. (The cost at that time should be 80g.)
I have also revised the build queues so that Sandy will recruit a worker next turn. Please let this worker stay in Norwich to irrigate the mines that we do not need. I have also queued up some settlers. This has been done to avoid losing shields by switching stright to workers. Any settlers raised can be resettled in other more productive cities.
Thank you,
donsig
Governor of Norwich
PS - I hope, etc. etc, ect.
I have posted instructions to sell the bank in Desolatem. I would like to use the funds generated from this sale, plus the 60g you offered earlier, to rush the temple in Almaren on turn five of the upcoming game play session. (The cost at that time should be 80g.)
I have also revised the build queues so that Sandy will recruit a worker next turn. Please let this worker stay in Norwich to irrigate the mines that we do not need. I have also queued up some settlers. This has been done to avoid losing shields by switching stright to workers. Any settlers raised can be resettled in other more productive cities.
Thank you,
donsig
Governor of Norwich
PS - I hope, etc. etc, ect.
truckingpete
On a Stark Trek
Minister,
May I request something for the science slider? Well I would like the slider lowered to were we can research the fastest but get the most gold. Did that make sense? It is just a suggestion...
Thank you,
Minister Truckingpete
Trade and Tech.
May I request something for the science slider? Well I would like the slider lowered to were we can research the fastest but get the most gold. Did that make sense? It is just a suggestion...
Thank you,
Minister Truckingpete
Trade and Tech.
"confuzzled"
I don't control the slider do I ? I thought the DP controlled it (now). Can someone please inform me quickly whether the slider is mine or not please ?
I don't control the slider do I ? I thought the DP controlled it (now). Can someone please inform me quickly whether the slider is mine or not please ?
Donovan Zoi
The Return
It's all you, Big Dog!
Thank you for your approval of the Wyfurd Courthouse. I can assure you that this is gold well spent, as it will allow us 8 turns of increase in production and commerce that we wouldn't have otherwise had. And after further review, I agree about the Granaries. Many of those cities will grow enough by just irrigating over a few mines.
Thank you for your approval of the Wyfurd Courthouse. I can assure you that this is gold well spent, as it will allow us 8 turns of increase in production and commerce that we wouldn't have otherwise had. And after further review, I agree about the Granaries. Many of those cities will grow enough by just irrigating over a few mines.
I would like to point out that, like any other government official, the Minister of F&L should seek to know the people's will through appropriate means.
BTW this is the one area I was always a little unclear on in a previous life as Domestic Leader, back when the budget belonged to that office. Getting citizen input on everything would be tedious, getting no input has the danger of being foolish or even illegal depending on one's point of view.
My solution was to run a poll (how do you want cash requests handled) and the result chosen by the people was something like " anything up to 50% of the treasury and 50% of the gpt surplus was OK to spend without direct citizen involvement" -- too lazy to go into the archives and look it up myself, and YMMV
BTW this is the one area I was always a little unclear on in a previous life as Domestic Leader, back when the budget belonged to that office. Getting citizen input on everything would be tedious, getting no input has the danger of being foolish or even illegal depending on one's point of view.
My solution was to run a poll (how do you want cash requests handled) and the result chosen by the people was something like " anything up to 50% of the treasury and 50% of the gpt surplus was OK to spend without direct citizen involvement" -- too lazy to go into the archives and look it up myself, and YMMV
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